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Report: Auburn bribed players

SEC football - we all know they cheat and break the rules, this just helps shine the light a little bit.

Bollocks.

college sports needs to start paying players.

Army of GOD wrote:college sports needs to start paying players.

Yup. Time to start football farms.

Army of GOD wrote:college sports needs to start paying players.

Colleges already pay players. They are able to attend college for free and may also receive free rooms, food, and the like.

I never understand this argument from people. It's not the college's fault that many players don't take advantage of free education.

thegreekdog wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:college sports needs to start paying players.

Colleges already pay players. They are able to attend college for free and may also receive free rooms, food, and the like.

I never understand this argument from people. It's not the college's fault that many players don't take advantage of free education.

I don't really have an opinion on paying players in general, but I do think the players should get a cut of profits if the university is using their name or likeness to sell merchandise.


--Andy

AndyDufresne wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:college sports needs to start paying players.

Colleges already pay players. They are able to attend college for free and may also receive free rooms, food, and the like.

I never understand this argument from people. It's not the college's fault that many players don't take advantage of free education.

I don't really have an opinion on paying players in general, but I do think the players should get a cut of profits if the university is using their name or likeness to sell merchandise.


--Andy

I don't fully know how the system works with respect to merchandise, but my general understanding is that the merchandise is tied to the university, not to the player.

thegreekdog wrote:

AndyDufresne wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:college sports needs to start paying players.

Colleges already pay players. They are able to attend college for free and may also receive free rooms, food, and the like.

I never understand this argument from people. It's not the college's fault that many players don't take advantage of free education.

I don't really have an opinion on paying players in general, but I do think the players should get a cut of profits if the university is using their name or likeness to sell merchandise.


--Andy

I don't fully know how the system works with respect to merchandise, but my general understanding is that the merchandise is tied to the university, not to the player.

I am not sure I understand what you mean. Jerseys that have the name of a player, and selling rights for video games that use the likeness, in addition to various print and digital advertising, are often tied to individual players.


--Andy

AndyDufresne wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

AndyDufresne wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:college sports needs to start paying players.

Colleges already pay players. They are able to attend college for free and may also receive free rooms, food, and the like.

I never understand this argument from people. It's not the college's fault that many players don't take advantage of free education.

I don't really have an opinion on paying players in general, but I do think the players should get a cut of profits if the university is using their name or likeness to sell merchandise.


--Andy

I don't fully know how the system works with respect to merchandise, but my general understanding is that the merchandise is tied to the university, not to the player.

I am not sure I understand what you mean. Jerseys that have the name of a player, and selling rights for video games that use the likeness, in addition to various print and digital advertising, are often tied to individual players.


--Andy

I did not know one could buy jerseys with the names of players. I think I still am of the opinion that being paid between $10,000 and $40,000 a year in tuition and some amount of room and board to play a sport is adequate compensation.

You can't buy official jerseys with players last names on them... Also on video games they don't even put the names of the players either Example Cam Newton isn't in Ncaa 11 but "QB #2" is.. It's supposed to be a character based off of Cam Newton and you can download names from someones file share that they created.

Ps. Arkansas runs a clean ship

CBlake wrote:You can't buy official jerseys with players last names on them... Also on video games they don't even put the names of the players either Example Cam Newton isn't in Ncaa 11 but "QB #2" is.. It's supposed to be a character based off of Cam Newton and you can download names from someones file share that they created.

Ps. Arkansas runs a clean ship

Saying a SEC school runs a clean ship is like saying Miami has never comitted a NCAA violation. Maybe Vandy since they actually put the "student" before the "athlete" in student-athlete, but even then, that may be pushing it.

muy_thaiguy wrote:

CBlake wrote:You can't buy official jerseys with players last names on them... Also on video games they don't even put the names of the players either Example Cam Newton isn't in Ncaa 11 but "QB #2" is.. It's supposed to be a character based off of Cam Newton and you can download names from someones file share that they created.

Ps. Arkansas runs a clean ship

Saying a SEC school runs a clean ship is like saying Miami has never comitted a NCAA violation. Maybe Vandy since they actually put the "student" before the "athlete" in student-athlete, but even then, that may be pushing it.

That is a lie..To say a program (Arkansas) That hasn't even got a 5 star recruit in years and recruits all 3 and 4 star players and develops them Is cheating is a flat out lie.

thegreekdog wrote:I did not know one could buy jerseys with the names of players. I think I still am of the opinion that being paid between $10,000 and $40,000 a year in tuition and some amount of room and board to play a sport is adequate compensation.

I disagree, which is why you see the occasional scandal flare up--about players given a car and stuff like that.

Many of those players are simply under-priced, so I don't see why markets shouldn't be allowed to sort out their inefficiencies (maybe because colleges do not wish to pay more money for under-priced players).

No way is a god damn scholarship "adequate compensation". I have large scholarships and I don't make a god damn dime for the university I go to while football players make millions for their schools. I wouldn't be surprised if college football teams make more money than pro teams (usually have larger stadiums which means more money).

Not only that but the players have no insurance if they get injured. Let's say there's a player who's a senior and college, is a guaranteed starter in the NFL and then blows his knee or some shit and never plays again. If he were earning money, he'd have money to work with. Unless he was a really good student, his college degree means shit.

Even if schools are never allowed to pay players, it bothers me that players are not allowed to make money off their own likeness. It's next to impossible for them to even get a job (the NCAA investigates this all the time out of concern it's boosters giving them the job) and they likely wouldn't have time to hold a job regardless because of school + practice. How are some of these players who come from extremely low income families supposed to afford things like movies and dates?

All of this doesn't even start taking into consideration that the NFL and NBA block players from going pro due to borderline-illegal age discrimination rules which means they are forced to go to school (calling some of these athletes "student athletes" is a joke in itself - an education to you and I might be valuable, but to the better players it means nothing) and live under the NCAA scrutiny when they couldn't care less about being an amateur athlete.

It's way too strict and the NCAA is pathetically greedy.

The NCAA itself is a botched mess, no denying that. I mean they even screwed up the Miami investigations. And yet BSU got nailed for letting some recruits have McDonalds and sleeping on a couch.

I shit you not, that's actually what happned and they got slapped with some santions for it.

The NCAA has a tendancy to protect schools in the Big 5 (Big 12, Big 10, Pac 12, ACC, and SEC). A running joke on the MWC board, is that if a school from one of those conferences has been found out to be committing violations, than some poor small school in one of the other conferences will get nailed for "violations" instead.

Muythai is right. This is as much a story about on going corruption in college football in general than just the SEC. USC got hit for lending aid to Reggie Bush (and likely others), Ohio State had their scandal about players selling items and then receiving basically no disciplinary action for the most part, Rich Rodriguez did some questionable things at Michigan and apparently while he was at West Virginia too, Miami, Penn State protected a child molester, I don't remember if LSU has ever been caught doing anything actually against the rules but they have taken in some questionable players while under the Les Miles regime and it was a not so closely guarded secret that Georgia Tech recruited players who should not have been able to attend based on their academic grades (most schools do this for athletes but many of Georgia Tech's athletes were well under the school's standards at the time) while under the Chan Gailey administration, to his credit Paul Johnson seems to run a somewhat cleaner ship in that regard. I wouldn't say it's become a farce but College Football has been losing a lot of credibility as far as fairness is concerned.

Army of GOD wrote:No way is a god damn scholarship "adequate compensation". I have large scholarships and I don't make a god damn dime for the university I go to while football players make millions for their schools. I wouldn't be surprised if college football teams make more money than pro teams (usually have larger stadiums which means more money).

Nonsense.

First of all, welcome to the real world! I made my firm $3 million this year. I make a small fraction of that.

Second of all, football players don't make millions for their schools; a combination of the players, the coaches, the field, the tradition (or past performance), the university itself, makes money for the school. If Rick Pitino wasn't the coach of Louisville, would Louisville be a successful program? If Notre Dame didn't have the name Notre Dame, would it be a successful program?

Third of all, in five years, a collegiate athlete would be compensated somewhere in the range of $100,000 to $200,000 in college tuition and who knows how many thousands in room and board? That seems pretty good to me.

Fourth of all, there is no one forcing these men to go to college or to play sports at college. They are given a choice: play college sports and receive a free education, room, and board or don't play college sports and pay for college, room, and board yourself.

TGD


--Andy

thegreekdog wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:No way is a god damn scholarship "adequate compensation". I have large scholarships and I don't make a god damn dime for the university I go to while football players make millions for their schools. I wouldn't be surprised if college football teams make more money than pro teams (usually have larger stadiums which means more money).

Nonsense.

First of all, welcome to the real world! I made my firm $3 million this year. I make a small fraction of that.

Second of all, football players don't make millions for their schools; a combination of the players, the coaches, the field, the tradition (or past performance), the university itself, makes money for the school. If Rick Pitino wasn't the coach of Louisville, would Louisville be a successful program? If Notre Dame didn't have the name Notre Dame, would it be a successful program?

Third of all, in five years, a collegiate athlete would be compensated somewhere in the range of $100,000 to $200,000 in college tuition and who knows how many thousands in room and board? That seems pretty good to me.

Fourth of all, there is no one forcing these men to go to college or to play sports at college. They are given a choice: play college sports and receive a free education, room, and board or don't play college sports and pay for college, room, and board yourself.

I agree completely with this.

Bollocks.

strike wolf wrote:USC got hit for lending aid to Reggie Bush

Wrong. USC got hit for not knowing (or not declaring if they did know) that Reggie Bush was taking money from a convicted felon who had nothing to do with the school 150 miles off campus in San Diego.

Sure, as a USC alum I am biased... but when I see USC take a multi-year bowl ban and scholarship reductions plus forfeiting 1.5 years worth of wins when someone who wasn't associated with the school gives one player money, and then watch as some of these other schools and associated boosters pay recruits to join the school or stay at the school (or fix grades, sell merchandise, etc etc) without nearly as bad penalties (or just a slap on the wrist)...

Like I said. The NCAA is a joke.

What are the colleges really there for?

- Education?
- Profit?
- Sports?

Perhaps they need to re-think their raison d'etre.

thegreekdog wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:No way is a god damn scholarship "adequate compensation". I have large scholarships and I don't make a god damn dime for the university I go to while football players make millions for their schools. I wouldn't be surprised if college football teams make more money than pro teams (usually have larger stadiums which means more money).

Nonsense.

First of all, welcome to the real world! I made my firm $3 million this year. I make a small fraction of that.

Second of all, football players don't make millions for their schools; a combination of the players, the coaches, the field, the tradition (or past performance), the university itself, makes money for the school. If Rick Pitino wasn't the coach of Louisville, would Louisville be a successful program? If Notre Dame didn't have the name Notre Dame, would it be a successful program?

Third of all, in five years, a collegiate athlete would be compensated somewhere in the range of $100,000 to $200,000 in college tuition and who knows how many thousands in room and board? That seems pretty good to me.

Fourth of all, there is no one forcing these men to go to college or to play sports at college. They are given a choice: play college sports and receive a free education, room, and board or don't play college sports and pay for college, room, and board yourself.

1. You're getting money though. The college players aren't.

2. No, but if Rick Pitino had shitty players Louisville wouldn't be successful either. The problem is that Pitino is making 4 mill a year while the players can't even get money for being in a commercial. There's something wholly wrong with that.

3. Even if I take your upper bound of 200k, that's 40k per year which is still underpayment. Rookie contracts in the NFL are AT LEAST 400k, twice as much as five years in college.

4. I guess so, but if they want to play professionally, they don't have any alternatives.