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Patents and patent applications by major corporations.


IBM Patent application #20020165758 May 3, 2001 "Identification And Tracking Of Persons Using RFID-Tagged Items".
Proctor and Gamble Patents application #20020161651 August 22, 2001 "System And Methods for Tracking Consumers in a Store Environment".
National Cash Register Company Patents #6,659,344 December 9, 2003 "Automated Monitoring of Activity of Shoppers in a Market".
Phillips Electronics Patents #6,611,206 August 26 2003"Automated System for Monitoring Independent Persons Requiring Occasional Assistance".
Persephone Inc. Patent #20040174258 August 29, 2003 "Method and Apparatus for Locating and Tracking Persons ".
U.S. Department of Energy Patents #20020149468 April 11, 2001 "System and Method for Controlling Remote Devices".




There will always be those who believe the potential societal benefits of surveillance schemes outweigh the risks of abuse. However, though there is ample evidence that the supposed security "benefits"of mass surveillance are quite doubtful , the risks of unchecked government control are very real and not to be discounted . As the police and other agents of the state increasingly tap the power of the retail sector's growing arsenal of sophisticated surveillance technology, we may soon be living in George Orwell in 1984.
Now that we have the ability to do it, the pressure to require some form of permanent , foolproof ID for every person on earth is bound to increase steadily. We're already seeing the beginning of this mandate with the Real ID Act. The starting point will be spychipping driver's licences , building access cards, student name tags, and the end point will be microchips embedded in our flesh.
First, we'll implant societies outcastes like prisoners justifying it is a security measure. When such chipping becomes commonplace and hence "acceptable" in those populations , society may expand those efforts tosemi-captive populations like the elderly, school kids, and the military . Next will come government employees and those working for major corporations. After all, the argument will go, no ones forcing you to do it-although if you don't go along, you can kiss your paycheck goodbye. Finally, when most everyone else has been signed up, they'll start coming for the rest.


When an opponent declares , "I will not come over to your side, and you will not get me on your side," I calmly say,"Your child belongs to me already. A people lives forever. What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants,however, now stand in the new camps. In short time they will know nothing else but this new community .
Adolf Hitler

Just like with a gun or a cheeseburger or executive presidential power......all depends on who and how it is used.

We use these at my work, for many great and wonderful reasons. But that doesn't mean it's good, it means we use them for good.

They can also be used for bad. Check out page 1000 whatever in the Obamacare bill.

A technology can not be inherently good, or bad.


Personally, I support RFID for use in supply chain management, so companies can improve their efficiency and effectiveness. I am, however, against putting chips in every newborn child, so they can be tracked for every second of their entire life.

What about companies tracking you every second of your shopping experience? Or track all products that go home with you. Proctor and Gamble have already done it. Invasion of privacy? RFID in currency to track all you buy. Phillips Electronics to track all you say and do within your home? Persophone Inc to implant chips deep inside humans. U.S. government to track all guns?

Timminz wrote:A technology can not be inherently good, or bad.


Personally, I support RFID for use in supply chain management, so companies can improve their efficiency and effectiveness. I am, however, against putting chips in every newborn child, so they can be tracked for every second of their entire life.

That's exactly why we use them...

But as to being against chipping people, I thought you supported Obamacare?

Phatscotty wrote:

Timminz wrote:A technology can not be inherently good, or bad.


Personally, I support RFID for use in supply chain management, so companies can improve their efficiency and effectiveness. I am, however, against putting chips in every newborn child, so they can be tracked for every second of their entire life.

I thought you supported Obamacare though?

Just one of the many things you've been wrong about.

I support universal health care. Which has amazingly little to do with RFID technology. Actually, health care is another area where RFID technology could be used exceptionally well.

Timminz wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Timminz wrote:A technology can not be inherently good, or bad.


Personally, I support RFID for use in supply chain management, so companies can improve their efficiency and effectiveness. I am, however, against putting chips in every newborn child, so they can be tracked for every second of their entire life.

I thought you supported Obamacare though?

Just one of the many things you've been wrong about.

I support universal health care. Which has amazingly little to do with RFID technology. Actually, health care is another area where RFID technology could be used exceptionally well.

Oh, I understand. So you were against Obamacare then?

Healthcare is already way ahead of you. Implantable RFID chips are part of Obamacare. I agree that RFID can help the Healthcare industry, so I guess where we disagree is that the people who are implementing health care today I would say are extremely corrupt and passing out goodies to special interests, and you think they only have the people's best interest at heart?

warmonger1981 wrote:What about companies tracking you every second of your shopping experience? Or track all products that go home with you. Proctor and Gamble have already done it. Invasion of privacy? RFID in currency to track all you buy. Phillips Electronics to track all you say and do within your home? Persophone Inc to implant chips deep inside humans. U.S. government to track all guns?

Can you give us the sauce on these?

The RFID devices I've seen don't have that kind of range.

Phatscotty wrote:

Timminz wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Timminz wrote:A technology can not be inherently good, or bad.


Personally, I support RFID for use in supply chain management, so companies can improve their efficiency and effectiveness. I am, however, against putting chips in every newborn child, so they can be tracked for every second of their entire life.

I thought you supported Obamacare though?

Just one of the many things you've been wrong about.

I support universal health care. Which has amazingly little to do with RFID technology. Actually, health care is another area where RFID technology could be used exceptionally well.

Oh, I understand. So you were against Obamacare then?

Healthcare is already way ahead of you. Implantable RFID chips are part of Obamacare. I agree that RFID can help the Healthcare industry, so I guess where we disagree is that the people who are implementing health care today I would say are extremely corrupt and passing out goodies to special interests, and you think they only have the people's best interest at heart?

I think the problem you're having is that you seem to be equating disagreeing with you, to agreeing with your everything Obama has ever done. With such a distorted view of the world, it's no wonder you're such an unpleasant person sometimes.

Really Scott, why are you trying to shoehorn an argument about your country's terrible health care system (and the failed attempt at fixing it) into a discussion about RFID technology?

Proctor and Gamble did it with Gillette Lipfinity lipstick from Walmart in Broken Arrow Oklahoma between march and June 2003. Gillette mach3 razors in 2003. Hitachi developed a chip 0.4mm square that could be put in bank notes. European Central Bank was in talks to chip EU bank notes with Hitachi. Japanese were also talking about it. Not implemented yet into currency. Phillips patent 6611206 to monitor all you do in your home. Gillette cant wait to track their products in your home according to Dick Cantwell vice president of global business management. I have more in interested.

warmonger1981 wrote:Proctor and Gamble did it with Gillette Lipfinity lipstick from Walmart in Broken Arrow Oklahoma between march and June 2003. Gillette mach3 razors in 2003. Hitachi developed a chip 0.4mm square that could be put in bank notes. European Central Bank was in talks to chip EU bank notes with Hitachi. Japanese were also talking about it. Not implemented yet into currency. Phillips patent 6611206 to monitor all you do in your home. Gillette cant wait to track their products in your home according to Dick Cantwell vice president of global business management. I have more in interested.

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Timminz wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Timminz wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Timminz wrote:A technology can not be inherently good, or bad.


Personally, I support RFID for use in supply chain management, so companies can improve their efficiency and effectiveness. I am, however, against putting chips in every newborn child, so they can be tracked for every second of their entire life.

I thought you supported Obamacare though?

Just one of the many things you've been wrong about.

I support universal health care. Which has amazingly little to do with RFID technology. Actually, health care is another area where RFID technology could be used exceptionally well.

Oh, I understand. So you were against Obamacare then?

Healthcare is already way ahead of you. Implantable RFID chips are part of Obamacare. I agree that RFID can help the Healthcare industry, so I guess where we disagree is that the people who are implementing health care today I would say are extremely corrupt and passing out goodies to special interests, and you think they only have the people's best interest at heart?

I think the problem you're having is that you seem to be equating disagreeing with you, to agreeing with your everything Obama has ever done. With such a distorted view of the world, it's no wonder you're such an unpleasant person sometimes.

Really Scott, why are you trying to shoehorn an argument about your country's terrible health care system (and the failed attempt at fixing it) into a discussion about RFID technology?

Because our attempt to "fix" it (Obamacare) uses RFID implant technology. I grant that in the beginning I also did not specifically know about the RFID implants, of course they wouldn't even show us what was in the bill until after we passed it (cuz it's soooo good ya know) but what I did know is you can't trust Obama or the people working for him, or the government in general, for reasons exactly like this, or it could be the healthcare providers, through the IRS, having direct access to our bank accounts, or it could be taking any unpaid medical bills out of our tax returns, or it could be the IRS reading all our emails.

I don't blame you for agreeing with everything Obama has done. Just Obamacare, which is using RFID implants in the near future

Oh, Phatscotty. There are rare moments when I'm happy you're back.

Phatscotty wrote:

Timminz wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Timminz wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Timminz wrote:A technology can not be inherently good, or bad.


Personally, I support RFID for use in supply chain management, so companies can improve their efficiency and effectiveness. I am, however, against putting chips in every newborn child, so they can be tracked for every second of their entire life.

I thought you supported Obamacare though?

Just one of the many things you've been wrong about.

I support universal health care. Which has amazingly little to do with RFID technology. Actually, health care is another area where RFID technology could be used exceptionally well.

Oh, I understand. So you were against Obamacare then?

Healthcare is already way ahead of you. Implantable RFID chips are part of Obamacare. I agree that RFID can help the Healthcare industry, so I guess where we disagree is that the people who are implementing health care today I would say are extremely corrupt and passing out goodies to special interests, and you think they only have the people's best interest at heart?

I think the problem you're having is that you seem to be equating disagreeing with you, to agreeing with your everything Obama has ever done. With such a distorted view of the world, it's no wonder you're such an unpleasant person sometimes.

Really Scott, why are you trying to shoehorn an argument about your country's terrible health care system (and the failed attempt at fixing it) into a discussion about RFID technology?

Because our attempt to "fix" it (Obamacare) uses RFID implant technology. I grant that in the beginning I also did not specifically know about the RFID implants, of course they wouldn't even show us what was in the bill until after we passed it (cuz it's soooo good ya know) but what I did know is you can't trust Obama or the people working for him, or the government in general, for reasons exactly like this, or it could be the healthcare providers, through the IRS, having direct access to our bank accounts, or it could be taking any unpaid medical bills out of our tax returns, or it could be the IRS reading all our emails.

I don't blame you for agreeing with everything Obama has done. Just Obamacare, which is using RFID implants in the near future

That'll do.

Neoteny wrote:Oh, Phatscotty. There are rare moments when I'm happy you're back.

We can be friendly! Let's try

warmonger1981 wrote:Proctor and Gamble did it with Gillette Lipfinity lipstick from Walmart in Broken Arrow Oklahoma between march and June 2003. Gillette mach3 razors in 2003. Hitachi developed a chip 0.4mm square that could be put in bank notes. European Central Bank was in talks to chip EU bank notes with Hitachi. Japanese were also talking about it. Not implemented yet into currency. Phillips patent 6611206 to monitor all you do in your home. Gillette cant wait to track their products in your home according to Dick Cantwell vice president of global business management. I have more in interested.

Sure, sources would be nice.

Is RFID what in all the smart phones now? Or is that something else

Cellular phones are radio frequency devices and they could not work if they could not be identified. Putting I second chip in them would be redundant.

All sources are from a book I'm reading called "Spychips " written by Katherine Albrecht & Liz McIntyre.

Proctor and Gamble and Walmart , Howard Wolinsky, "P&G, Walmart Store did Secret Test of RFID ," Chicago Sun Times,9 November 2003
RFID and Gillette Tesco, UK 's largest retail store, and Gillette hid chips in Gillette Razor products. An RFID "smart shelf" could sense when consumers picked up products. SNAP ! A picture of your face was taken. Alok Jha, " Tesco Test Spychips Technology" The Guardian, 19 July 2003
Phillips Electronics tracks all you do in your home. Their system can capture video, pitch of your voice, the way you gesture, and the number of times you "enter and leave a single seen" with the goal of determining "mental state/health issue. source " Automatic System for Monitoring Independant Person Requiring Occasional assistance" Patent #6611206, granted August 26, 2003.
I have plenty more.

So, if people voluntarily agree to such monitoring, then what?

Define "voluntarily agree", enter the Walmart or read and sign a contract?

Does, "By using this product you agree to be bound by...." written somewhere on the packaging or in the manual count?

2dimes wrote:Define "voluntarily agree", enter the Walmart or read and sign a contract?

Does, "By using this product you agree to be bound by...." written somewhere on the packaging or in the manual count?

Well, the work which warmonger cites is highly inflammatory and polemical, so I don't like working with his summarized examples of these cases.


Suppose there's a product which on the cover states, "this contains technology which is used to monitor your usage habits, thereby granting us better information to more suit your preferences."

If people agree to that, then so what?


Or how about using Amazon when you create an account? It monitors your inquiries and purchasing habits, and then recommends books which you may like. How is this terrible or evil or bad?

If a company uses a technology with your clear consent that allows them to learn what better suits your preferences, then why do people bemoan this? Do they really want higher transaction costs and waste? Do they not realize the benefits? Do they imagine fictional costs ("evil corporations gonna taek over our brains!")?

It might not be intended to be evil or bad.

Here's a story from the old days. When you used to take a picture you had to remove somthing from the camera called a negative. They would typically be contained in a light proof canister. You would take this to a place that would send it to a photo lab. A week or so later you would go back and pick up your pictures. If you took nudie photos the guys just out of highschool working there would make extra copies for sharing. The photo lab was not doing anything bad but sometimes it's employees did.

Let's say your Phillips DVD player takes movies of you wandering in front of it naked or in the case of someone that was not stupid enough to get married, having sex. Next thing your small deformed genitalia is on youporn. That's not bad unless you don't want it to happen. If you did want it to happen you would have up-loaded it allready.

Edit: Sorry, I meant to address Amazon.ca.

If I'm reading books about the illuminatii to learn about how they are going to get me. I don't want them to scroll through my records and notice I "know too much." then come early.

Yes, those gosh-darn Illuminati! Gotta watch out them and for roaming bands of Masons and Masonic Jarheads.

Speaking of cameras, I remember the days when a camera would take your soul if you were captured in a picture. Perhaps that was all apocryphal--like most of the concerns with RFID.

Not sure how similar a DVD player with a camera is similar to an RFID issue, but I'll bite. Why would anyone knowingly purchase a DVD player with a camera that could record their private activities?
(*'knowingly', cuz that's the issue I care about. Fraud goes without saying).