Conquer Club

comic boy wrote:I think it very sad that the OP cannot differentiate between Socialists , Communists and Democrats , and he calls others idiots

comic boy wrote:I think it very sad that the OP cannot differentiate between Socialists , Communists and Democrats , and he calls others idiots

premio53 wrote:England was once a great nation but is only a shell of what she once was. Socialists, Communists and Democrats are all first cousins who don't believe in individual liberty.

oVo wrote:

premio53 wrote:England was once a great nation but is only a shell of what she once was. Socialists, Communists and Democrats are all first cousins who don't believe in individual liberty.

England is still a great nation, don't sell yourself short. The Red Hen, Socialist, Communist and Democrat analogy combo is crap in relation to "individual liberty" because it is just not that simple.

saxitoxin wrote:Before Margaret Thatcher, semi-automatic long guns were legal for individual ownership in Britain. She banned them.

ooge wrote:Thatcher expanded what the opposition calls"socialized medicine" and increased the amount pensioners "social security" receive. Reagan passed the largest middle class tax increase to fund social security. Obama passes a health care law based on a conservative idea from the heritage foundation an idea republicans supported until Obama supported it. Who is the so called socialist again?

perchorin wrote:This thread makes me wonder, what's the UK equivalent of:

???

premio53 wrote:

ooge wrote:Thatcher expanded what the opposition calls"socialized medicine" and increased the amount pensioners "social security" receive. Reagan passed the largest middle class tax increase to fund social security. Obama passes a health care law based on a conservative idea from the heritage foundation an idea republicans supported until Obama supported it. Who is the so called socialist again?

England had been on a socialist agenda many years before Thatcher got there. She merely tried to stem the slide into what is now a hellhole. There is not a politician in this world anyone would agree with 100% but the danger now even in the United States is full blown socialism with the government telling us what we can and cannot eat, at what temperature we must set our thermostats, and with Obomacare, government agents deciding who is worthy to receive healthcare with their own death panels. My political perspective would be more along the lines with Ron Paul but I certainly don't agree with everything he believes either.

The Democratic party is the greatest threat to individual liberty in the United States today.

comic boy wrote:

premio53 wrote:

ooge wrote:Thatcher expanded what the opposition calls"socialized medicine" and increased the amount pensioners "social security" receive. Reagan passed the largest middle class tax increase to fund social security. Obama passes a health care law based on a conservative idea from the heritage foundation an idea republicans supported until Obama supported it. Who is the so called socialist again?

England had been on a socialist agenda many years before Thatcher got there. She merely tried to stem the slide into what is now a hellhole. There is not a politician in this world anyone would agree with 100% but the danger now even in the United States is full blown socialism with the government telling us what we can and cannot eat, at what temperature we must set our thermostats, and with Obomacare, government agents deciding who is worthy to receive healthcare with their own death panels. My political perspective would be more along the lines with Ron Paul but I certainly don't agree with everything he believes either.

The Democratic party is the greatest threat to individual liberty in the United States today.

I just went for a walk , children were feeding the ducks and geese in the pond on the common , families were walking their dogs in the woods , the pub gardens were full of people enjoying a pint in the sunshine.....this is your definition of a hellhole
If you are actually interested in educating yourself , as opposed to perpetrating myths that confirm your bias , then mark the words of one who actually experienced the events personally and indeed voted for Mrs Thatcher in two General Elections.
Thatcher was a strong leader but very much a politician of her time, her policies addressed certain problems but she was too much of a popularist in retrospect , long term social consequencies were ignored or ill considered.
Politics has always been circular , Thatcher was popular in England because the pendulum had swung too far to the left , Obama was elected because Bush took the USA too far to the right.
When Thatcher went the Labour governments that followed were pretty much centre of the road , just as the Obama administration is today in the USA . To conclude that either was or is very left wing simply demonstrates extreme political bias rather than sober analytical judgement.

premio53 wrote:

comic boy wrote:

premio53 wrote:

ooge wrote:Thatcher expanded what the opposition calls"socialized medicine" and increased the amount pensioners "social security" receive. Reagan passed the largest middle class tax increase to fund social security. Obama passes a health care law based on a conservative idea from the heritage foundation an idea republicans supported until Obama supported it. Who is the so called socialist again?

England had been on a socialist agenda many years before Thatcher got there. She merely tried to stem the slide into what is now a hellhole. There is not a politician in this world anyone would agree with 100% but the danger now even in the United States is full blown socialism with the government telling us what we can and cannot eat, at what temperature we must set our thermostats, and with Obomacare, government agents deciding who is worthy to receive healthcare with their own death panels. My political perspective would be more along the lines with Ron Paul but I certainly don't agree with everything he believes either.

The Democratic party is the greatest threat to individual liberty in the United States today.

I just went for a walk , children were feeding the ducks and geese in the pond on the common , families were walking their dogs in the woods , the pub gardens were full of people enjoying a pint in the sunshine.....this is your definition of a hellhole
If you are actually interested in educating yourself , as opposed to perpetrating myths that confirm your bias , then mark the words of one who actually experienced the events personally and indeed voted for Mrs Thatcher in two General Elections.
Thatcher was a strong leader but very much a politician of her time, her policies addressed certain problems but she was too much of a popularist in retrospect , long term social consequencies were ignored or ill considered.
Politics has always been circular , Thatcher was popular in England because the pendulum had swung too far to the left , Obama was elected because Bush took the USA too far to the right.
When Thatcher went the Labour governments that followed were pretty much centre of the road , just as the Obama administration is today in the USA . To conclude that either was or is very left wing simply demonstrates extreme political bias rather than sober analytical judgement.

Were you dressed as a man or a woman? What seems "normal" to you is where we are at today. I can fully understand why you despise those with traditional moral values. You would fit right in with the "centre" of the Democratic Party and President Obama.

ooge wrote:

premio53 wrote:

comic boy wrote:

premio53 wrote:

ooge wrote:Thatcher expanded what the opposition calls"socialized medicine" and increased the amount pensioners "social security" receive. Reagan passed the largest middle class tax increase to fund social security. Obama passes a health care law based on a conservative idea from the heritage foundation an idea republicans supported until Obama supported it. Who is the so called socialist again?

England had been on a socialist agenda many years before Thatcher got there. She merely tried to stem the slide into what is now a hellhole. There is not a politician in this world anyone would agree with 100% but the danger now even in the United States is full blown socialism with the government telling us what we can and cannot eat, at what temperature we must set our thermostats, and with Obomacare, government agents deciding who is worthy to receive healthcare with their own death panels. My political perspective would be more along the lines with Ron Paul but I certainly don't agree with everything he believes either.

The Democratic party is the greatest threat to individual liberty in the United States today.

I just went for a walk , children were feeding the ducks and geese in the pond on the common , families were walking their dogs in the woods , the pub gardens were full of people enjoying a pint in the sunshine.....this is your definition of a hellhole
If you are actually interested in educating yourself , as opposed to perpetrating myths that confirm your bias , then mark the words of one who actually experienced the events personally and indeed voted for Mrs Thatcher in two General Elections.
Thatcher was a strong leader but very much a politician of her time, her policies addressed certain problems but she was too much of a popularist in retrospect , long term social consequencies were ignored or ill considered.
Politics has always been circular , Thatcher was popular in England because the pendulum had swung too far to the left , Obama was elected because Bush took the USA too far to the right.
When Thatcher went the Labour governments that followed were pretty much centre of the road , just as the Obama administration is today in the USA . To conclude that either was or is very left wing simply demonstrates extreme political bias rather than sober analytical judgement.

Were you dressed as a man or a woman? What seems "normal" to you is where we are at today. I can fully understand why you despise those with traditional moral values. You would fit right in with the "centre" of the Democratic Party and President Obama.

Next I will hear a story about fema death caps explain traditional moral values?

premio53 wrote:

comic boy wrote:

premio53 wrote:

ooge wrote:Thatcher expanded what the opposition calls"socialized medicine" and increased the amount pensioners "social security" receive. Reagan passed the largest middle class tax increase to fund social security. Obama passes a health care law based on a conservative idea from the heritage foundation an idea republicans supported until Obama supported it. Who is the so called socialist again?

England had been on a socialist agenda many years before Thatcher got there. She merely tried to stem the slide into what is now a hellhole. There is not a politician in this world anyone would agree with 100% but the danger now even in the United States is full blown socialism with the government telling us what we can and cannot eat, at what temperature we must set our thermostats, and with Obomacare, government agents deciding who is worthy to receive healthcare with their own death panels. My political perspective would be more along the lines with Ron Paul but I certainly don't agree with everything he believes either.

The Democratic party is the greatest threat to individual liberty in the United States today.

I just went for a walk , children were feeding the ducks and geese in the pond on the common , families were walking their dogs in the woods , the pub gardens were full of people enjoying a pint in the sunshine.....this is your definition of a hellhole
If you are actually interested in educating yourself , as opposed to perpetrating myths that confirm your bias , then mark the words of one who actually experienced the events personally and indeed voted for Mrs Thatcher in two General Elections.
Thatcher was a strong leader but very much a politician of her time, her policies addressed certain problems but she was too much of a popularist in retrospect , long term social consequencies were ignored or ill considered.
Politics has always been circular , Thatcher was popular in England because the pendulum had swung too far to the left , Obama was elected because Bush took the USA too far to the right.
When Thatcher went the Labour governments that followed were pretty much centre of the road , just as the Obama administration is today in the USA . To conclude that either was or is very left wing simply demonstrates extreme political bias rather than sober analytical judgement.

Were you dressed as a man or a woman? What seems "normal" to you is where we are at today. I can fully understand why you despise those with traditional moral values. You would fit right in with the "centre" of the Democratic Party and President Obama.

Phatscotty wrote:So because the ducks are still being fed by children, and families go outside of their home for a walk....that is the hallmark of how you can tell if we are hellhole or not? I wonder if your same standard applies in Ecuador, where Exxon raped and pillaged the earth and polluted the land and abused the people so tragically and flooded woodland area with oil waste. "Well, children are feeding ducks, and families are taking walks, so everything is okay!"

Phatscotty wrote:So because the ducks are still being fed by children, and families go outside of their home for a walk....that is the hallmark of how you can tell if we are hellhole or not? I wonder if your same standard applies in Ecuador, where Exxon raped and pillaged the earth and polluted the land and abused the people so tragically and flooded woodland area with oil waste. "Well, children are feeding ducks, and families are taking walks, so everything is okay!"

comic boy wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:So because the ducks are still being fed by children, and families go outside of their home for a walk....that is the hallmark of how you can tell if we are hellhole or not? I wonder if your same standard applies in Ecuador, where Exxon raped and pillaged the earth and polluted the land and abused the people so tragically and flooded woodland area with oil waste. "Well, children are feeding ducks, and families are taking walks, so everything is okay!"

Its quite simple , Britain has its problems but to describe it as a hellhole is ridiculous. If you want to defend that description its fine by me , every social indicator ever published would mock your position