Islamic fanatics wielding meat cleavers butcher and try to behead a British soldier, taking their war on the West to a new level of horror
I read this and at first thought, "What the hell is wrong with London"? Then considered a bit, realizing this could have been New York, Chicago, Philly.... it wouldn't have surprised me.
What's amazing is the way these guys who tried to hack the head off a soldier are confronted by women on the street. Maybe that's a British trait? Those ladies have huge balls! (so to speak). Had it been stateside, passers by would have looted the body then fled the scene.
Re: CLEAVER ATTACK IN LONDON
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 6:03 am
by Agent 86
Woolwich attack reaction: Riots and two arrested over mosque attacks as al Qaeda gloats
This prompted supporters of the English Defence League (EDL) to gather at Woolwich Arsenal train station near the scene and they threw bottles at police. EDL leader Tommy Robinson, who was among a group of about 250 men, said: "They're chopping our soldiers' heads off. This is Islam. That's what we've seen today." "They've cut off one of our army's heads off on the streets of London," he said. "Our next generation are being taught through schools that Islam is a religion of peace."
"It's not. It never has been. What you saw today is Islam."
I never knew their was an EDL, interesting.
Re: CLEAVER ATTACK IN LONDON
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 6:10 am
by zimmah
Islam is to peace as America is to freedom.
it's just radiating off them.
Re: CLEAVER ATTACK IN LONDON
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 6:15 am
by betiko
well that's not what islam is, that's what some fanatics think it is. What are they really trying to acheive with all this seriously? moderate muslims to be persecuted by national extremists in western countries? then these moderate muslims might turn extremists after being persecuted. quite sad. Too bad buddhism isn't the most popular religion on this planet.
Re: CLEAVER ATTACK IN LONDON
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 6:22 am
by Agent 86
betiko wrote: Too bad buddhism isn't the most popular religion on this planet.
+1
This is so true
Re: CLEAVER ATTACK IN LONDON
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:54 am
by saxitoxin
1. UK attacks Malians in March 2. Malians attack the UK in May
if people don't want to see the brutality of war the best course of action is to de-authorize their government from fighting it rather than hoping the other side isn't smart enough to organize a counter-attack
Re: CLEAVER ATTACK IN LONDON
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 10:22 am
by Donelladan
lol. There is country where "buddhists" people are actually killing muslim...
No religion is 100% clean
Re: CLEAVER ATTACK IN LONDON
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 10:43 am
by betiko
donelladan wrote:lol. There is country where "buddhists" people are actually killing muslim...
No religion is 100% clean
where? kind of goes against their dogma.
Re: CLEAVER ATTACK IN LONDON
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 10:49 am
by betiko
saxitoxin wrote:1. UK attacks Malians in March 2. Malians attack the UK in May
if people don't want to see the brutality of war the best course of action is to de-authorize their government from fighting it rather than hoping the other side isn't smart enough to organize a counter-attack
it was france (maybe there were a few british support troops but almost nothing). this intervention was supported by the UN and the malian civil population. Some radical islamist scumabgs started terrorizing and slaughtering the population preparing a coup d'etat; destroying several thousands of year old temples of ancient malian culture, but we're supposed to sit there and watch? talk to any malian if they're not happy about france's help on this...
Re: CLEAVER ATTACK IN LONDON
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:05 am
by Symmetry
betiko wrote:
donelladan wrote:lol. There is country where "buddhists" people are actually killing muslim...
At least 192 people died last year in violence between Buddhists in Rakhine and Rohingya Muslims, who are denied citizenship by Myanmar. Most of the victims, and the 140,000 people made homeless in the attacks, were Muslims.
Re: CLEAVER ATTACK IN LONDON
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:10 am
by saxitoxin
betiko wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:1. UK attacks Malians in March 2. Malians attack the UK in May
if people don't want to see the brutality of war the best course of action is to de-authorize their government from fighting it rather than hoping the other side isn't smart enough to organize a counter-attack
it was france (maybe there were a few british support troops but almost nothing). this intervention was supported by the UN and the malian civil population. Some radical islamist scumabgs started terrorizing and slaughtering the population preparing a coup d'etat; destroying several thousands of year old temples of ancient malian culture, but we're supposed to sit there and watch? talk to any malian if they're not happy about france's help on this...
If Britain wanted the city of London to be "off limits" to counter-attacks, they should have negotiated an agreement with the Malian rebel forces regarding "off limits" zones prior to going to war. When Britain launched an unprovoked attack against Argentina in 1982 they first negotiated an agreement about a sector of the Atlantic where hospital ships could assemble without fear of reprisal. But the Queen and Prime Minister have bodyguards and armored cars and they know they won't be the ones to suffer during a Malian counter-attack - it will be enlisted men, NCOs and officer cadets and they don't care about them.
Germany bombed Britain in 1940 and Britain responded by bombing Germany. That's how war works. One side attacks, the other counter-attacks.
Re: CLEAVER ATTACK IN LONDON
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:14 am
by AndyDufresne
saxitoxin wrote:Germany bombed Britain in 1940 and Britain responded by bombing Germany. That's how war works. One side attacks, the other counter-attacks.
Saxi, I'd like to learn more about this 'war' concept. I'm only vaguely familiar with it (hence my rank).
--Andy
Re: CLEAVER ATTACK IN LONDON
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:16 am
by Symmetry
Nobunaga wrote:What's amazing is the way these guys who tried to hack the head off a soldier are confronted by women on the street. Maybe that's a British trait? Those ladies have huge balls! (so to speak). Had it been stateside, passers by would have looted the body then fled the scene.
There's a lot of weird stuff about this. I don't mean conspiracy weird, just very British. That lady getting off her bus to talks down some terrorists; the police shooting for the legs; our prime minister apparently being Cobra Commander...
Re: CLEAVER ATTACK IN LONDON
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:37 am
by saxitoxin
An issue that should be raised after the Malian counter-attack is the state of British forces. During the 2011 rioting we heard the real reason the British army didn't aid the police is they had nothing available with which to provide aid. In 2012, a Russian aircraft carrier sailed within sight of the Scottish coast, emptied their toilets in the water, then waited around 2 days before the Royal Navy showed up to shoo them off.
Now we have an attack on a British military target (personnel) that occurs 3 blocks from the operational base of a fully active Infantry Regiment. A major military formation of the British army has no duty garrison equipped to traverse less than 1 kilometer of paved road through friendly territory to respond to a military attack on the UK proper. (And it's not like this unfolded too fast for a response to be mounted ... it took the police close to a half-hour to show up.)
Re: CLEAVER ATTACK IN LONDON
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:43 am
by betiko
saxitoxin wrote:
betiko wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:1. UK attacks Malians in March 2. Malians attack the UK in May
if people don't want to see the brutality of war the best course of action is to de-authorize their government from fighting it rather than hoping the other side isn't smart enough to organize a counter-attack
it was france (maybe there were a few british support troops but almost nothing). this intervention was supported by the UN and the malian civil population. Some radical islamist scumabgs started terrorizing and slaughtering the population preparing a coup d'etat; destroying several thousands of year old temples of ancient malian culture, but we're supposed to sit there and watch? talk to any malian if they're not happy about france's help on this...
If Britain wanted the city of London to be "off limits" to counter-attacks, they should have negotiated an agreement with the Malian rebel forces regarding "off limits" zones prior to going to war. When Britain launched an unprovoked attack against Argentina in 1982 they first negotiated an agreement about a sector of the Atlantic where hospital ships could assemble without fear of reprisal. But the Queen and Prime Minister have bodyguards and armored cars and they know they won't be the ones to suffer during a Malian counter-attack - it will be enlisted men, NCOs and officer cadets and they don't care about them.
Germany bombed Britain in 1940 and Britain responded by bombing Germany. That's how war works. One side attacks, the other counter-attacks.
a bunch of malian extremists on a pick up truck with machetes and rocket launchers are no way a nation, that's the difference. And if it is what it takes to save a country from opression well that's fine with me.
Oh and symmetry I didn't know what was going on in myanmar, thanks for the heads up.
Re: CLEAVER ATTACK IN LONDON
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:52 am
by saxitoxin
betiko wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
betiko wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:1. UK attacks Malians in March 2. Malians attack the UK in May
if people don't want to see the brutality of war the best course of action is to de-authorize their government from fighting it rather than hoping the other side isn't smart enough to organize a counter-attack
it was france (maybe there were a few british support troops but almost nothing). this intervention was supported by the UN and the malian civil population. Some radical islamist scumabgs started terrorizing and slaughtering the population preparing a coup d'etat; destroying several thousands of year old temples of ancient malian culture, but we're supposed to sit there and watch? talk to any malian if they're not happy about france's help on this...
If Britain wanted the city of London to be "off limits" to counter-attacks, they should have negotiated an agreement with the Malian rebel forces regarding "off limits" zones prior to going to war. When Britain launched an unprovoked attack against Argentina in 1982 they first negotiated an agreement about a sector of the Atlantic where hospital ships could assemble without fear of reprisal. But the Queen and Prime Minister have bodyguards and armored cars and they know they won't be the ones to suffer during a Malian counter-attack - it will be enlisted men, NCOs and officer cadets and they don't care about them.
Germany bombed Britain in 1940 and Britain responded by bombing Germany. That's how war works. One side attacks, the other counter-attacks.
a bunch of malian extremists on a pick up truck with machetes and rocket launchers are no way a nation, that's the difference.
congratulations on making sure this guy stays in power in Mali, then - I'm sure the people of Mali love him (or else)
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 12:12 pm
by Symmetry
betiko wrote:Oh and symmetry I didn't know what was going on in myanmar, thanks for the heads up.
No problem. Buddhism tends to get a pass as the "non-violent" religion due to the way it's practiced in the West. In places where it's widely practiced, it can be pretty brutal.
Re: CLEAVER ATTACK IN LONDON
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 12:27 pm
by chang50
Agent 86 wrote:
betiko wrote: Too bad buddhism isn't the most popular religion on this planet.
+1
This is so true
Whilst it's true Buddhism itself is peaceful,as all major religions are in theory,it's a myth that Buddhists in general are especially peaceful.Just look at recent events in Myanmar where Buddhists including monks have engaged in sectarian violence against Muslims,and the civil war in Sri Lanka where many atrocities were committed against the Hindu Tamil Tigers. Not forgetting Pol Pot's killing fields...isolated pockets of Buddhists in Western societies are a tiny percentage of the total number worldwide and give a false impression.
Re: CLEAVER ATTACK IN LONDON
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 12:31 pm
by AndyDufresne
chang50 wrote:isolated pockets of Buddhists in Western societies are a tiny percentage of the total number worldwide and give a false impression.
More generally, isolated extremists worldwide give a false impression of all religions.
--Andy
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 12:36 pm
by Symmetry
AndyDufresne wrote:
chang50 wrote:isolated pockets of Buddhists in Western societies are a tiny percentage of the total number worldwide and give a false impression.
More generally, isolated extremists worldwide give a false impression of all religions.
--Andy
Erm, are you saying that peaceful Buddhists in Western societies are extremists?
Re: CLEAVER ATTACK IN LONDON
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 12:38 pm
by AndyDufresne
I was using his example of one form of isolation giving a positive representation, to establish a second form of isolation giving a negative representation, silly.
--Andy
Re: CLEAVER ATTACK IN LONDON
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 12:56 pm
by Symmetry
AndyDufresne wrote:I was using his example of one form of isolation giving a positive representation, to establish a second form of isolation giving a negative representation, silly.
--Andy
Fair enough. Ambiguity resolved!
Re: CLEAVER ATTACK IN LONDON
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 1:03 pm
by chang50
AndyDufresne wrote:
chang50 wrote:isolated pockets of Buddhists in Western societies are a tiny percentage of the total number worldwide and give a false impression.
More generally, isolated extremists worldwide give a false impression of all religions.
--Andy
Absolutely and if there were no religions these extremists would still exist just attatched to something else..
Re: CLEAVER ATTACK IN LONDON
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 1:18 pm
by BigBallinStalin
Agent 86 wrote:Woolwich attack reaction: Riots and two arrested over mosque attacks as al Qaeda gloats
This prompted supporters of the English Defence League (EDL) to gather at Woolwich Arsenal train station near the scene and they threw bottles at police. EDL leader Tommy Robinson, who was among a group of about 250 men, said: "They're chopping our soldiers' heads off. This is Islam. That's what we've seen today." "They've cut off one of our army's heads off on the streets of London," he said. "Our next generation are being taught through schools that Islam is a religion of peace."
"It's not. It never has been. What you saw today is Islam."
I never knew their was an EDL, interesting.
Yeah, they're similar to the KKK and neo-Nazis. Great people.
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 5:42 am
