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may not be a PRUDE, but he's gotta 'TUDE
might not be LEWD, but he's gonna get BOOED
RUDE
Gillipig wrote:Slavery has existed for over 10 000 years, who are we to say it's wrong? I say we bring it back! If you could enslave a group, any group, whether it is mobile salesmen, the French, people with big feet or just women in general, what would be your choice and why?
waauw wrote:Gillipig wrote:Slavery has existed for over 10 000 years, who are we to say it's wrong? I say we bring it back! If you could enslave a group, any group, whether it is mobile salesmen, the French, people with big feet or just women in general, what would be your choice and why?
One could argue that slavery does still exist. It has just taken a different form. It's called financial slavery.
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Bollocks.
BigBallinStalin wrote:waauw wrote:Gillipig wrote:Slavery has existed for over 10 000 years, who are we to say it's wrong? I say we bring it back! If you could enslave a group, any group, whether it is mobile salesmen, the French, people with big feet or just women in general, what would be your choice and why?
One could argue that slavery does still exist. It has just taken a different form. It's called financial slavery.
Hence, it isn't slavery, but you can run with that rewording.
"I don't like it when someone is in debt. Let's call it something that sounds bad... Ah, 'financial slavery'. That'll do our cause good, and who cares if it's inaccurate." (most don't).
waauw wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:waauw wrote:Gillipig wrote:Slavery has existed for over 10 000 years, who are we to say it's wrong? I say we bring it back! If you could enslave a group, any group, whether it is mobile salesmen, the French, people with big feet or just women in general, what would be your choice and why?
One could argue that slavery does still exist. It has just taken a different form. It's called financial slavery.
Hence, it isn't slavery, but you can run with that rewording.
"I don't like it when someone is in debt. Let's call it something that sounds bad... Ah, 'financial slavery'. That'll do our cause good, and who cares if it's inaccurate." (most don't).
well it has a lot of the same characteristics and I wasn't referring to debt. I was referring to the contrast between the developed world and the 3rd world.
Oftentimes poor uneducated people in the 3rd world, who never got any opportunities, work very hard, from which western consumerism and local business leaders reap all the benefit, while they themselves only get enough to keep them alive. And although one could argue they do have a choice for a job. However people in those countries don't get many options.
I know this because my mother grew up in the slums of Manilla, Philippines, where she worked for an equivalent of about 50 eurocents per day.
waauw wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:waauw wrote:Gillipig wrote:Slavery has existed for over 10 000 years, who are we to say it's wrong? I say we bring it back! If you could enslave a group, any group, whether it is mobile salesmen, the French, people with big feet or just women in general, what would be your choice and why?
One could argue that slavery does still exist. It has just taken a different form. It's called financial slavery.
Hence, it isn't slavery, but you can run with that rewording.
"I don't like it when someone is in debt. Let's call it something that sounds bad... Ah, 'financial slavery'. That'll do our cause good, and who cares if it's inaccurate." (most don't).
well it has a lot of the same characteristics and I wasn't referring to debt. I was referring to the contrast between the developed world and the 3rd world.
Oftentimes poor uneducated people in the 3rd world, who never got any opportunities, work very hard, from which western consumerism and local business leaders reap all the benefit, while they themselves only get enough to keep them alive. And although one could argue they do have a choice for a job. However people in those countries don't get many options.
I know this because my mother grew up in the slums of Manilla, Philippines, where she worked for an equivalent of about 50 eurocents per day.
BigBallinStalin wrote:waauw wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:waauw wrote:Gillipig wrote:Slavery has existed for over 10 000 years, who are we to say it's wrong? I say we bring it back! If you could enslave a group, any group, whether it is mobile salesmen, the French, people with big feet or just women in general, what would be your choice and why?
One could argue that slavery does still exist. It has just taken a different form. It's called financial slavery.
Hence, it isn't slavery, but you can run with that rewording.
"I don't like it when someone is in debt. Let's call it something that sounds bad... Ah, 'financial slavery'. That'll do our cause good, and who cares if it's inaccurate." (most don't).
well it has a lot of the same characteristics and I wasn't referring to debt. I was referring to the contrast between the developed world and the 3rd world.
Oftentimes poor uneducated people in the 3rd world, who never got any opportunities, work very hard, from which western consumerism and local business leaders reap all the benefit, while they themselves only get enough to keep them alive. And although one could argue they do have a choice for a job. However people in those countries don't get many options.
I know this because my mother grew up in the slums of Manilla, Philippines, where she worked for an equivalent of about 50 eurocents per day.
Oh, "sweatshops."
Which is worse: working in the fields with lesser pay or working in the sweatshops with more pay?
Which is "slavery"?
Which reinforces subsistence living?
Then, about "choice." I have no choice to jump 10 feet in the air. Nearly all in 3rd world countries don't have the choice of working for $100 per hour. Is that "slavery"? Is that "coercion" caused by human agency--or is it simply a constraint of the times?
waauw wrote:I know this because my mother grew up in the slums of Manilla, Philippines, where she worked for an equivalent of about 50 eurocents per day.
Gillipig wrote:We didn't get any opportunities either. We took 'em! We have the opportunities we have today because our forefathers worked their ass off conquering other nations, enslaving their people and stealing their natural resources. We should thank them very much for their work.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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saxitoxin wrote:Is this another Gillpig torture-sex-fantasy thread?waauw wrote:I know this because my mother grew up in the slums of Manilla, Philippines, where she worked for an equivalent of about 50 eurocents per day.
How did a Filipina emigrant end up in Belgium instead of racing through San Francisco in a souped-up Honda Civic with $3K rims and a 2-meter spoiler?Gillipig wrote:We didn't get any opportunities either. We took 'em! We have the opportunities we have today because our forefathers worked their ass off conquering other nations, enslaving their people and stealing their natural resources. We should thank them very much for their work.
ah ... the good old days when Sweden ruled ... Estonia! ... and ... and ... and Natty_Dread's garden!
KernowWarrior wrote:What do you mean, bring back slavery?
It never ended!
Millions of men, women and children around the world are still forced to lead lives as slaves. Although this exploitation is often not called slavery, the conditions are the same. People are sold like objects, forced to work for little or no pay and are at the mercy of their 'employers'.
Slavery exists today despite the fact that it is banned in most of the countries where it is practised. It is also prohibited by the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the 1956 UN Supplementary Convention on the Abolition of Slavery, the Slave Trade and Institutions and Practices Similar to Slavery. Women from eastern Europe are bonded into prostitution, children are trafficked between West African countries and men are forced to work as slaves on Brazilian agricultural estates. Contemporary slavery takes various forms and affects people of all ages, sex and race.
Common characteristics distinguish slavery from other human rights violations. A slave is:
• forced to work -- through mental or physical threat;
• owned or controlled by an 'employer', usually through mental or physical abuse or threatened abuse;
• dehumanised, treated as a commodity or bought and sold as 'property';
• physically constrained or has restrictions placed on his/her freedom of movement.
Bonded labour affects millions of people around the world. People become bonded labourers by taking or being tricked into taking a loan for as little as the cost of medicine for a sick child. To repay the debt, many are forced to work long hours, seven days a week, up to 365 days a year. They receive basic food and shelter as 'payment' for their work, but may never pay off the loan, which can be passed down for generations.
Early and forced marriage affects women and girls who are married without choice and are forced into lives of servitude often accompanied by physical violence.
Forced labour affects people who are illegally recruited by individuals, governments or political parties and forced to work -- usually under threat of violence or other penalties.
Slavery by descent is where people are either born into a slave class or are from a 'group' that society views as suited to being used as slave labour.
Trafficking involves the transport and/or trade of people -- women, children and men -- from one area to another for the purpose of forcing them into slavery conditions.
Worst forms of child labour affects an estimated 126 million children around the world in work that is harmful to their health and welfare.
saxitoxin wrote:waauw wrote:I know this because my mother grew up in the slums of Manilla, Philippines, where she worked for an equivalent of about 50 eurocents per day.
How did a Filipina emigrant end up in Belgium instead of racing through San Francisco in a souped-up Honda Civic with $3K rims and a 2-meter spoiler?
KernowWarrior wrote:What do you mean, bring back slavery?
It never ended!
Millions of men, women and children around the world are still forced to lead lives as slaves. Although this exploitation is often not called slavery, the conditions are the same. People are sold like objects, forced to work for little or no pay and are at the mercy of their 'employers'.
Slavery exists today despite the fact that it is banned in most of the countries where it is practised. It is also prohibited by the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the 1956 UN Supplementary Convention on the Abolition of Slavery, the Slave Trade and Institutions and Practices Similar to Slavery. Women from eastern Europe are bonded into prostitution, children are trafficked between West African countries and men are forced to work as slaves on Brazilian agricultural estates. Contemporary slavery takes various forms and affects people of all ages, sex and race.
Common characteristics distinguish slavery from other human rights violations. A slave is:
• forced to work -- through mental or physical threat;
• owned or controlled by an 'employer', usually through mental or physical abuse or threatened abuse;
• dehumanised, treated as a commodity or bought and sold as 'property';
• physically constrained or has restrictions placed on his/her freedom of movement.
Bonded labour affects millions of people around the world. People become bonded labourers by taking or being tricked into taking a loan for as little as the cost of medicine for a sick child. To repay the debt, many are forced to work long hours, seven days a week, up to 365 days a year. They receive basic food and shelter as 'payment' for their work, but may never pay off the loan, which can be passed down for generations.
Early and forced marriage affects women and girls who are married without choice and are forced into lives of servitude often accompanied by physical violence.
Forced labour affects people who are illegally recruited by individuals, governments or political parties and forced to work -- usually under threat of violence or other penalties.
Slavery by descent is where people are either born into a slave class or are from a 'group' that society views as suited to being used as slave labour.
Trafficking involves the transport and/or trade of people -- women, children and men -- from one area to another for the purpose of forcing them into slavery conditions.
Worst forms of child labour affects an estimated 126 million children around the world in work that is harmful to their health and welfare.
Gillipig wrote:Slavery has existed for over 10 000 years, who are we to say it's wrong? I say we bring it back! If you could enslave a group, any group, whether it is mobile salesmen, the French, people with big feet or just women in general, what would be your choice and why?
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