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waauw wrote:I'm not a body builder, but I have done fitness for 2 years(actively). Though I quit since a few months, dunno why .
Anyway why use supplements? Just eating normal food is enough imo. And by that I mean eating both greasy food and fruit and vegetables.
If you train intensively enough, you don't need special diets.

my favorite exercise:

==> also funny to watch new guys try this. They constantly take too much weight and their faces are just priceless once they start lifting

rockfist wrote:Body Building and fitness have very different objectives. You need at least 200 grams of protein per day to body build.

crispybits wrote:I do 2 different workouts twice a week each but my main target at the moment is weight loss rather than building muscle (I am doing it via mostly wieghts and a little cardio tho so that once I get my body fat down I have a nice shape underneath it). First one is shoulders, chest and arms, second one is core and legs. Both leave me very sore (in a good way) for the rest of the day but I've lost about 8-9kg since I started so it's showing benefits. Whether the plan to have a decent shape emerge from underneath the fat is any good I'll have to let you know in 2-4 months time (assuming I keep disciplined)

Also waauw that exercise is part of my upper body routine and I don't like it much, but can't neglect it either....

rockfist wrote:Body Building and fitness have very different objectives. You need at least 200 grams of protein per day to body build.

tdans wrote:Well Scotty, you certainly have the build to put on a good amount of muscle. If you are wanting to gain some mass, then you will have to do certain things. First off, eat a lot of protein laden food, but also make sure you intake a bit more fiber and drink a lot more water.
Protein shakes are a fantastic way to get straight protein and some aminos. Take one shake right after working out, and take one shake right before going to bed. The shake before bed is optional, but after a heavy weight day, you body can use the protein to rebuild while you rest up. I personally use Nectar, since it is a low calorie, straight up protein shake.
There are other shakes out there with much more protein, but you don't need to take a mass of protein at once, 23-26 grams per serving is adequate.
There are supplements out there that are complete crap, and other supplements that work, but maybe aren't as natural as you would like. One such supplement is creatine. This stuff is crap when taken on a continuous basis. I would recommend Cell Mass as a post workout rebuilder. Take this only 2 times a week and only after your main heavy lifting days. Cell Mass has creatine in it, but since you are not taking it more than 2 times a week, you will be fine.

Feel free to ask anything else.

Phatscotty wrote:

tdans wrote:Well Scotty, you certainly have the build to put on a good amount of muscle. If you are wanting to gain some mass, then you will have to do certain things. First off, eat a lot of protein laden food, but also make sure you intake a bit more fiber and drink a lot more water.
Protein shakes are a fantastic way to get straight protein and some aminos. Take one shake right after working out, and take one shake right before going to bed. The shake before bed is optional, but after a heavy weight day, you body can use the protein to rebuild while you rest up. I personally use Nectar, since it is a low calorie, straight up protein shake.
There are other shakes out there with much more protein, but you don't need to take a mass of protein at once, 23-26 grams per serving is adequate.
There are supplements out there that are complete crap, and other supplements that work, but maybe aren't as natural as you would like. One such supplement is creatine. This stuff is crap when taken on a continuous basis. I would recommend Cell Mass as a post workout rebuilder. Take this only 2 times a week and only after your main heavy lifting days. Cell Mass has creatine in it, but since you are not taking it more than 2 times a week, you will be fine.

Feel free to ask anything else.

I had some time to look into creatine today, I'm still iffy on it. What I have is a triple blend of something, 1 of which is creatine It's just what people I know recommended but I would be very interested to check out Cell Mass when this stuff is gone. I like the thought of only twice a week.

Thanks T

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

tdans wrote:Well Scotty, you certainly have the build to put on a good amount of muscle. If you are wanting to gain some mass, then you will have to do certain things. First off, eat a lot of protein laden food, but also make sure you intake a bit more fiber and drink a lot more water.
Protein shakes are a fantastic way to get straight protein and some aminos. Take one shake right after working out, and take one shake right before going to bed. The shake before bed is optional, but after a heavy weight day, you body can use the protein to rebuild while you rest up. I personally use Nectar, since it is a low calorie, straight up protein shake.
There are other shakes out there with much more protein, but you don't need to take a mass of protein at once, 23-26 grams per serving is adequate.
There are supplements out there that are complete crap, and other supplements that work, but maybe aren't as natural as you would like. One such supplement is creatine. This stuff is crap when taken on a continuous basis. I would recommend Cell Mass as a post workout rebuilder. Take this only 2 times a week and only after your main heavy lifting days. Cell Mass has creatine in it, but since you are not taking it more than 2 times a week, you will be fine.

Feel free to ask anything else.

I had some time to look into creatine today, I'm still iffy on it. What I have is a triple blend of something, 1 of which is creatine It's just what people I know recommended but I would be very interested to check out Cell Mass when this stuff is gone. I like the thought of only twice a week.

Thanks T

You'll be fine without the creatine and other such "supplements." If you've been serious about your workout regime, and you've reached some plateau, I'd recommend joining Cross Fit.

Phatscotty wrote:

tdans wrote:Well Scotty, you certainly have the build to put on a good amount of muscle. If you are wanting to gain some mass, then you will have to do certain things. First off, eat a lot of protein laden food, but also make sure you intake a bit more fiber and drink a lot more water.
Protein shakes are a fantastic way to get straight protein and some aminos. Take one shake right after working out, and take one shake right before going to bed. The shake before bed is optional, but after a heavy weight day, you body can use the protein to rebuild while you rest up. I personally use Nectar, since it is a low calorie, straight up protein shake.
There are other shakes out there with much more protein, but you don't need to take a mass of protein at once, 23-26 grams per serving is adequate.
There are supplements out there that are complete crap, and other supplements that work, but maybe aren't as natural as you would like. One such supplement is creatine. This stuff is crap when taken on a continuous basis. I would recommend Cell Mass as a post workout rebuilder. Take this only 2 times a week and only after your main heavy lifting days. Cell Mass has creatine in it, but since you are not taking it more than 2 times a week, you will be fine.

Feel free to ask anything else.

I had some time to look into creatine today, I'm still iffy on it. What I have is a triple blend of something, 1 of which is creatine It's just what people I know recommended but I would be very interested to check out Cell Mass when this stuff is gone. I like the thought of only twice a week.

Thanks T

2dimes wrote:The short cut is veterinarian grade steroids. The side effects can be devastating. Not sure how anyone can think, "Let's possibly double or more the size of your muscles, sometimes in under a year." and figure that would simply be healthy?

Too many hulk type comics maybe. Hulk seem healthy.

Funny how there is often some new thing like creatine that becomes so widely "known" as the new thing you have to use to get big. All the big guys at the gym will be using it and everyone else will take it hoping to get bigger.

Best part of that video was the "cardio."

Lootifer wrote:Exercising for vanity annoys me greatly... but I shall over look that. Exercise is exercise and should be encouraged

Protein: When lifting this is what you want the most of; as someone mentioned ~200g/day is likely what someone of your size would use to put on muscle. General rule of thumb for anyone doing a high volume of exercise that includes weights is consume approximately 2g protein/kg of body weight per day (2.2lbs per kg, so ~1g/lb?).

As far as where to get this protein from, my recommendation would be, in addition to a healthy diet, drink a shit load of milk (low fat if you arent doing any cardio, regular if you are). Reason I say this is its cheap and the differences between various sources of protein tends to be pretty meh - its all the same shit once its been through your digestive process.
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