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Posted: **Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:10 pm**

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/06/us/us ... l?hp&_r=1&

Posted: **Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:29 pm**

I'm considering pretending to be surprised. I'll have to get back to you.

Posted: **Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:02 pm**

I think someone posted about this in the Freedom topic.

--Andy

Posted: **Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:21 pm**

New York Times wrote:The order was sought by the Federal Bureau of Investigation under a section of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the 1978 law that regulates domestic surveillance for national security purposes, that allows the government to secretly obtain “tangible things” like a business’s customer records. The provision was expanded by Section 215 of the Patriot Act, which Congress enacted after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

The collection of call logs is set to expire in July unless the court extends it.

The collection of communications logs — or calling “metadata” — is believed to be a major component of the Bush administration’s program of surveillance that took place without court orders. The newly disclosed order raised the question of whether the government continued that type of information collection by bringing it under the Patriot Act.

This isn't surprising, but I wonder why it's scarier now than it was when Bush was in office?

Posted: **Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:39 pm**

oVo wrote:I wonder why it's scarier now than it was when Bush was in office?

... while others might wonder why it was more scary when Bush was in office than it is now.

Posted: **Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:44 pm**

saxitoxin wrote:
oVo wrote:I wonder why it's scarier now than it was when Bush was in office?

... while others might wonder why it was more scary when Bush was in office than it is now.

Obama is so much better, so whatever you say is wrong, and I won't think about it cuz I know it's wrong because Obama is in office.

Posted: **Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:17 pm**

oVo wrote:
New York Times wrote:The order was sought by the Federal Bureau of Investigation under a section of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the 1978 law that regulates domestic surveillance for national security purposes, that allows the government to secretly obtain “tangible things” like a business’s customer records. The provision was expanded by Section 215 of the Patriot Act, which Congress enacted after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

The collection of call logs is set to expire in July unless the court extends it.

The collection of communications logs — or calling “metadata” — is believed to be a major component of the Bush administration’s program of surveillance that took place without court orders. The newly disclosed order raised the question of whether the government continued that type of information collection by bringing it under the Patriot Act.

This isn't surprising, but I wonder why it's scarier now than it was when Bush was in office?

It isn't scarier now except that Verizon has been required to turn over it's records, which apparently it was not required to do under the Bush administration. I mean, I know Bush was bad and Obama is awesome, but c'mon now.

Posted: **Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:23 pm**

How scary was it when Nixon was in office?

Posted: **Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:43 pm**

2dimes wrote:How scary was it when Nixon was in office?

Apparently, it wasn't. Nixon resigned in 1974, but that law (according to the Times, at least) went into effect in 1978, when Jimmy Carter was President.
As to how scary it was then, I can't say, as I hadn't been born yet.

sempai

Posted: **Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:03 pm**

thegreekdog wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/06/us/us-secretly-collecting-logs-of-business-calls.html?hp&_r=1&

Way ahead of you, dog: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=176880&start=30

Posted: **Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:00 pm**

The New York Times filed a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit in 2011 for a report describing the government’s interpretation of its surveillance powers under the Patriot Act. But the Obama administration withheld the report, and a judge dismissed the case.

I wonder on what grounds the suite was thrown out or dismissed ?

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