police officer kills dog infront of master
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:04 pmWhat do you guys think? Was this self-defense or a cop going out of boundary?
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:04 pmWhat do you guys think? Was this self-defense or a cop going out of boundary?
Re: police officer kills dog infront of master
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:18 pmGunshots were over the top - should have just pepper sprayed it or something... (they did need to do something tho, the dog was attacking by the looks of it)
Re: police officer kills dog infront of master
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:21 pmDo people still use master nowadays to refer to those who have live-in pets? 
--Andy
--Andy
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:29 pmAndyDufresne wrote:Do people still use master nowadays to refer to those who have live-in pets?
--Andy
it has a nice ring to it
Become a dog master!
Re: police officer kills dog infront of master
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:35 pmcrispybits wrote:Gunshots were over the top - should have just pepper sprayed it or something... (they did need to do something tho, the dog was attacking by the looks of it)
Does pepper spray work on a dog? Or does it just get them more upset?
Re: police officer kills dog infront of master
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:39 pmAndyDufresne wrote:Do people still use master nowadays to refer to those who have live-in pets?
--Andy
Caregiver?
Parent?
I also think pet is insensitive... perhaps "indentured servant" or "apprentice."
Re: police officer kills dog infront of master
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:52 pmpuppydog85 wrote:crispybits wrote:Gunshots were over the top - should have just pepper sprayed it or something... (they did need to do something tho, the dog was attacking by the looks of it)
Does pepper spray work on a dog? Or does it just get them more upset?
It works the same as it works on humans - the dog might go beserk but if it cant see you then it's unlikely it will be able to hurt you if you have your wits about you and police self defence training...
Re: police officer kills dog infront of master
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:52 pmDogs have masters. Cats have staff.
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:55 pmcrispybits wrote:puppydog85 wrote:crispybits wrote:Gunshots were over the top - should have just pepper sprayed it or something... (they did need to do something tho, the dog was attacking by the looks of it)
Does pepper spray work on a dog? Or does it just get them more upset?
It works the same as it works on humans - the dog might go beserk but if it cant see you then it's unlikely it will be able to hurt you if you have your wits about you and police self defence training...
tough luck for those in the crowd who didn't have police self defence training
Re: police officer kills dog infront of master
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:30 pmDog wasn't secured; dog attacked cop who was holding a gun in his hand; cop defended himself; dog gone.....I'd a done the same.
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:33 pmIs it against the law to take photos in the US?
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:54 pmlaughingcavalier wrote:Is it against the law to take photos in the US?
Land of the free.
That slogan must be some sort of cruel ironic joke perpetrated by the overlords, which now rings completely hollow.
When are you americans going to stand up for your lost rights and take back that which was promised you but has been revoked?
Otherwise stop saying you are free, cause you aren't.
Re: police officer kills dog infront of master
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:57 pmI didn't have sound on - what did they arrest the guy for?
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:59 pmFilming peace officers that are sworn to protect and serve.
Re: police officer kills dog infront of master
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:25 pmjonesthecurl wrote:I didn't have sound on - what did they arrest the guy for?
He wasn't arrested, it was a Terry Stop. One of the homes in the neighborhood had called 911 after masked men had stormed into the house and taken everyone hostage. During the standoff, a man with a Rotweiler crossed the police perimeter and started walking around the empty police cars, shouting things toward the house and driving up and down the street with his windows rolled down and stereo turned up.
Re: police officer kills dog infront of master
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:54 pmWhy the cuffs then?
Re: police officer kills dog infront of master
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:57 pmIf anything pepper spray should have an even stronger reaction against dogs since they have more sensitive noses. Should have tased the dog. Not that would garner much sympathy either but there was time to pull out a different weapon than the side arm.
Re: police officer kills dog infront of master
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:59 pmAs it was. Was the owner guilty of anything other than annoying/filming police officers?
Re: police officer kills dog infront of master
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:00 pmOr how about
"Sir, could you make sure your dog is secure in the car while we question you? I wouldn't like it running loose at the moment: ?
"Sir, could you make sure your dog is secure in the car while we question you? I wouldn't like it running loose at the moment: ?
Re: police officer kills dog infront of master
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:22 pmjonesthecurl wrote:Why the cuffs then?
U.S. District Court, Maine District wrote:Officers may take necessary steps to protect themselves if the circumstances reasonably warrant such measures without transforming a Terry stop into an arrest. This includes drawing weapons when reasonable, such as when officers are faced with a report of an armed threat. The First Circuit has also allowed the reasonable use of handcuffs and backup officers as the situation requires.
However, the transport of a suspect from the scene of the stop, particularly to a police station, has been held to turn a Terry stop into an arrest requiring probable cause.
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case? ... as_sdt=2,4
Re: police officer kills dog infront of master
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:40 pmHe didn't look threatening to me. The dog, yes. The man ,no.
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Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:54 amwaauw wrote:
What do you guys think? Was this self-defense or a cop going out of boundary?
I've never been a fan of cops. They were not justified in doing the Terry stop on the owner imo. However, I believe he was justified in killing the dog. The owner was irresponsible for not securing the animal, and it was obviously a large dog with the potential to cause some harm.
-TG
Re: police officer kills dog infront of master
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:25 ampuppydog85 wrote:crispybits wrote:Gunshots were over the top - should have just pepper sprayed it or something... (they did need to do something tho, the dog was attacking by the looks of it)
Does pepper spray work on a dog? Or does it just get them more upset?
I suspect you of bias, Mr. PUPPYDOG!
As far as what happened, detaining the man taking pictures was ridiculous. But unfortunately, I blame the owner of the dog for the dog being shot. He wasn't properly restrained.
Re: police officer kills dog infront of master
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:57 amnotyou2 wrote:Dogs have masters. Cats have staff.
I can vouch for that..
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Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:27 amTA1LGUNN3R wrote:waauw wrote:
What do you guys think? Was this self-defense or a cop going out of boundary?
I've never been a fan of cops. They were not justified in doing the Terry stop on the owner imo. However, I believe he was justified in killing the dog. The owner was irresponsible for not securing the animal, and it was obviously a large dog with the potential to cause some harm.
-TG
problem is, usually aggressive dogs immediately attack. This one didn't, which means the shooting was unnecessary. This wasn't an aggessive dog. However the police officer clearly didn't know how to treat dogs. Nearing the dog and especially suddenly stretching your are from above towards the dog is a sign of aggressiveness, or at least from the dog's perspective. Everybody who knows a bit about dog psychology knows this. This police officer was poorly trained imo. He did everything to provoke the dog.
Additionally why did he have to shoot the dog mutliple times? The dog was clearly scared even though he wanted his owner back. Just shooting once in the air would've been enough to scare him. And if you have to shoot him, why shoot him multiple times? Why not just shoot him once? Shooting multiple times shows me that the officer shot him not to wound him, but with the aim to kill him.
And as jonesthecurl mentioned, they should've let the owner go for a few minutes to put his dog back in the car, which was clearly his intention in the first place as he put him there before he got cuffed.
So all in all I think this shows the unprofessionalism of these police officers. The police should know how to act near animals. There are too many people owning dogs to not know a basic about dog behaviour.