In Indiana, police officers are upset over a new law allowing residents to use deadly force against public servants, including law enforcement officers, who unlawfully enter their homes.
The law was adopted after the Indiana State Supreme Court ruled that there was “no right to reasonably resist unlawful entry by police officers," after a man assaulted an officer during a domestic violence call.
The law's author, Republican state Sen. Michael Young, said there haven't been any cases [yet] in which people have used the law to justify shooting police.
The National Rifle Association lobbied for the new law, claiming that the Indiana State Supreme Court decision had legalized police to commit unjustified entries.
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Indiana is the first U.S. state to specifically allow force against officers, according to the Association of Prosecuting Attorneys in Washington, which represents prosecutors.
If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about, right?
Re: New Indiana Law Allows Citizens to Shoot Police Officers
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:46 pm
by betiko
do you get a teddy bear if you aim right?
Re: New Indiana Law Allows Citizens to Kill Police Officers
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:00 pm
by Agent 86
Knock, knock who's there..police. Until the almighty U.S.A get their gun legislation right, then this won't be a problem
Re: New Indiana Law Allows Citizens to Kill Police Officers
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:11 pm
by chang50
Agent 86 wrote:Knock, knock who's there..police. Until the almighty U.S.A get their gun legislation right, then this won't be a problem
There'll be an almighty shitstorm if you dare to question their constitutional right to bear arms however reasonably..it's just taboo..don't you realise there is no connection between the obscenely high levels of gun ownership and gun crime there?
Re: New Indiana Law Allows Citizens to Kill Police Officers
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:22 pm
by TA1LGUNN3R
Is this a bad thing? Cuz it sounds fine to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you have the right to defend yourself even against police in the case of unlawful detainment or arrest. Not that it'll end well for you, but, whatever. This just clears the "killing a police officer" charge one would get.
-TG
Re: New Indiana Law Allows Citizens to Kill Police Officers
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:06 pm
by Phatscotty
chang50 wrote:
Agent 86 wrote:Knock, knock who's there..police. Until the almighty U.S.A get their gun legislation right, then this won't be a problem
don't you realise there is no connection between the obscenely high levels of gun ownership and gun crime there?
for once, you are right.
Re: New Indiana Law Allows Citizens to Kill Police Officers
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:34 pm
by chang50
Phatscotty wrote:
chang50 wrote:
Agent 86 wrote:Knock, knock who's there..police. Until the almighty U.S.A get their gun legislation right, then this won't be a problem
don't you realise there is no connection between the obscenely high levels of gun ownership and gun crime there?
for once, you are right.
So the solution to gun crime is staring us in the face,we just need more guns?I Know the truth is often counter intuitive but its a stretch to summise a billion guns would result in negligible gun crime in the us.or perhaps you believe we can extrapolate that from your statistics.. Is it possible the relationship is more subtle and nuanced than that..
Re: New Indiana Law Allows Citizens to Kill Police Officers
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:15 pm
by Phatscotty
chang50 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
chang50 wrote:
Agent 86 wrote:Knock, knock who's there..police. Until the almighty U.S.A get their gun legislation right, then this won't be a problem
don't you realise there is no connection between the obscenely high levels of gun ownership and gun crime there?
for once, you are right.
So the solution to gun crime is staring us in the face,we just need more guns?I Know the truth is often counter intuitive but its a stretch to summise a billion guns would result in negligible gun crime in the us.or perhaps you believe we can extrapolate that from your statistics.. Is it possible the relationship is more subtle and nuanced than that..
No. I didn't say anything about any solutions.
I merely revealed a simple truth; thus debunking a myth propagated far too often.
Re: New Indiana Law Allows Citizens to Kill Police Officers
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:46 pm
by TheMissionary
its just like the concealed carry laws, who wants to attack someone not knowing if there are armed or not
Re: New Indiana Law Allows Citizens to Kill Police Officers
Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:52 am
by thegreekdog
chang50 wrote:
Agent 86 wrote:Knock, knock who's there..police. Until the almighty U.S.A get their gun legislation right, then this won't be a problem
There'll be an almighty shitstorm if you dare to question their constitutional right to bear arms however reasonably..it's just taboo..don't you realise there is no connection between the obscenely high levels of gun ownership and gun crime there?
This is a good law, although I'm not sure why there needs to be a law specifically referencing public servants.
I see you left the word "legal" before the words "gun ownership." I think it's appropriate to leave that word out.
Re: New Indiana Law Allows Citizens to Kill Police Officers
Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:24 am
by Phatscotty
So, essentially, when it comes time for the officers of the peace to kick a door in, they run a check to see if anyone in the residence has firearm permits. If they see it is not likely there is a firearm in the residence, they will be more brazen and careless with your rights and your property. If they see that that the residence has permits/licenses and it is likely they have firearms, they are going to be more cautious and respectful of individual and property rights.
That is one way the second amendment is key to protecting the rest of our rights.
Re: New Indiana Law Allows Citizens to Kill Police Officers
Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:38 pm
by Army of GOD
GreecePwns wrote:If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about, right?
I guess, but if I'm not doing anything wrong then I'd be afraid if cops just randomly entered my house too. Afraid that they're doing something they shouldn't be doing.
And I mean Obama has been unlawfully killing citizens anyway so this just makes the field a little more even.
Re: New Indiana Law Allows Citizens to Kill Police Officers
Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:04 pm
by ManBungalow
Scrolling down, I glanced at the title and thought this thread was about a new Indiana Jones film.
I should go to bed.
Re: New Indiana Law Allows Citizens to Kill Police Officers
Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:16 pm
by Phatscotty
Army of GOD wrote:
GreecePwns wrote:If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about, right?
I guess, but if I'm not doing anything wrong then I'd be afraid if cops just randomly entered my house too. Afraid that they're doing something they shouldn't be doing.
in other words, just cuz you aren't doing anything wrong doesn't mean that the people kicking your door down are also not doing anything wrong.
Re: New Indiana Law Allows Citizens to Kill Police Officers
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:16 am
by GreecePwns
Army of GOD wrote:
GreecePwns wrote:If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about, right?
I guess, but if I'm not doing anything wrong then I'd be afraid if cops just randomly entered my house too. Afraid that they're doing something they shouldn't be doing.
And I mean Obama has been unlawfully killing citizens anyway so this just makes the field a little more even.
Oh no, that was directed toward the cops who barge into a house and kick the shit out of someone before realizing they got the wrong house number.
Or the NYPD douchebags who are complaining now that some of the mayoral candidates are discussing the idea of putting cameras on uniforms.
Re: New Indiana Law Allows Citizens to Kill Police Officers
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:06 pm
by rishaed
Phatscotty wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:
GreecePwns wrote:If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about, right?
I guess, but if I'm not doing anything wrong then I'd be afraid if cops just randomly entered my house too. Afraid that they're doing something they shouldn't be doing.
in other words, just cuz you aren't doing anything wrong doesn't mean that the people kicking your door down are also not doing anything wrong.
If they don't have a warrant they are indeed violating the 5th amendment. If they don't tell you they have a warrant and they kick your door down..... well then its probable that you will assume that they don't have one. And if they don't have the warrant they shouldn't be kicking your door in anyways.
Re: New Indiana Law Allows Citizens to Kill Police Officers
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:06 pm
by BigBallinStalin
GreecePwns wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:
GreecePwns wrote:If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about, right?
I guess, but if I'm not doing anything wrong then I'd be afraid if cops just randomly entered my house too. Afraid that they're doing something they shouldn't be doing.
And I mean Obama has been unlawfully killing citizens anyway so this just makes the field a little more even.
Oh no, that was directed toward the cops who barge into a house and kick the shit out of someone before realizing they got the wrong house number.
Or the NYPD douchebags who are complaining now that some of the mayoral candidates are discussing the idea of putting cameras on uniforms.
Best idea for policing ever.
Re: New Indiana Law Allows Citizens to Kill Police Officers
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:00 pm
by notyou2
You must have really shitty police in Murica.
Re: New Indiana Law Allows Citizens to Kill Police Officers
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:18 pm
by bedub1
If the police unlawfully enter your home, they aren't acting as police officers, they are acting as criminals. When a criminal storms into your house guns a blazing, you shoot back.
If the police follow the law, there is nothing to worry about. This piece of legislation just re-enforces current law.
Re: New Indiana Law Allows Citizens to Kill Police Officers
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:36 pm
