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Discipline and forums

PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:14 pm
by crispybits
Putting this here for some potential feedback although it does not concern these forums. I'm a moderator on a few forums elsewhere (some more busy than others) and on one we operate a progressive disciplinary system. So the first rule breach gets an informal warning about future behaviour, a second misdemeanour a formal warning, then a 1 day ban, 1 week ban, right up to permanent ban.

We have a forum regular who constantly steps only just outside of the forum rules. No amount of conversation with them or attempts at corrective action seem to be effective. But when we vote for them to enter one of the final stages (very long bans just before the deactivation stage) the vote pretty much always fails because people look at the small crime and the large punishment and can't mesh the two together in their heads.

Some (including me) are arguing that the two should be separate, and the votes should be cast solely on the basis of "was this post or series of posts a rule breach? If so whatever step they are at is irrelevant, they should move up a level."

Others are arguing that the long ban they could receive is a very harsh punishment for what is effectively a fairly minor/ambiguous rule breach.

Where would you ugly lot position yourselves in this sort of debate and why?

Re: Discipline and forums

PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:19 pm
by Symmetry
Never been banned myself, except for a brief ban on having a sig.

Banning seems like a harsh punishment to me, but most of the forum bans I've seen have been fair.

Re: Discipline and forums

PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:20 pm
by Lootifer
I am all for case by case behaviour. So long as you are being transparent in what some may see as inconsistent behaviour/hypocracy then I feel it is ok. After all you guys make the rules.

So what I would do:

Progress up until weekly bans and each and every time said poster steps slightly out of line slap them with a week no questions asked. Obviously be open with the community that you are doing this and why.

Re: Discipline and forums

PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:38 pm
by saxitoxin
I would unban xeno and ban AoG.

Re: Discipline and forums

PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:41 pm
by saxitoxin
Symmetry wrote:Never been banned myself


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Re: Discipline and forums

PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:59 pm
by john9blue
i'd say make the punishment fit the crime.

if the guy repeatedly steps "just outside" of the forum rules, them presumably what he does is not very severe. why not just keep banning him for short periods of time?

Re: Discipline and forums

PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:32 pm
by thegreekdog
john9blue wrote:i'd say make the punishment fit the crime.

if the guy repeatedly steps "just outside" of the forum rules, them presumably what he does is not very severe. why not just keep banning him for short periods of time?


Yeah, I kind of agree with this. Is the poster popular? That tends to have an effect as well on voting.

Re: Discipline and forums

PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:02 pm
by jonesthecurl
john9blue wrote:i'd say make the punishment fit the crime.

if the guy repeatedly steps "just outside" of the forum rules, them presumably what he does is not very severe. why not just keep banning him for short periods of time?



j9b makes sense here. I don't often say that.