Conquer Club

I'd like to create a list of reasons why we should avoid fossil fuels. But the twist is that we won't discuss global warming. Instead, we'll focus on all of the other reasons why we should switch to a different energy dependence; please keep climate science discussions to a different thread. I'll start.

1. Coal mining is responsible for neurological deficits in children, asthma attacks, and heart disease. (Source) Even nuclear power taking the place of fossil fuel emissions has saved 75,000 lives per year as a result of preventing air pollution. (Source)

Positions that don't weigh costs AND benefits are stupid, but I'll gladly participate in this stupid thread:

2. Avoid falling into an oil well. Humans cannot breathe crude oil.

BigBallinStalin wrote:Positions that don't weigh costs AND benefits are stupid, but I'll gladly participate in this stupid thread:

2. Avoid falling into an oil well. Humans cannot breathe crude oil.

Why do you think this thread is not about weighing costs and benefits?

3. Fossil fuels cost money.

thegreekdog wrote:3. Fossil fuels cost money.

This thread is about comparative advantages. Please only include reasons why we should prefer other energy sources to fossil fuels.

4. Oil is really hard to wash off.


5. It's stupid to walk over hot coals.

Biodiesel doesn't harm an engine like diesel.

fossils belong in a museum

Coal? So this thread is against electric cars in North America?

Rare earths needed in electric cars make them nonviable as a real alternative. Diesel can get the same efficiency as a hybrid but can last 2-3 times longer, less maintenance and don't require rare earths. Biodiesel can even further extend the engine life and eliminate sulfur exhaust.

My friend's brother works on a North Sea oilrig and she is always unhappy and worried when there are storms at sea.

Fossil fuels are run by cartels, are centralized with few winners. It helps small groups amass money and influence that can be used to keep the masses dependent.

Chicago used compressed air for most of their transport until the patents were bought up and sat on. If you search for compressed air Chicago on the internet, you find nothing. Many similar technologies have been quashed by the fossil fuel giants.

to starve the government of it's control and taxation and dependence and size and total fkin pwnage of everyone's earnings

Metsfanmax wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:3. Fossil fuels cost money.

This thread is about comparative advantages. Please only include reasons why we should prefer other energy sources to fossil fuels.

That's not what the opening post says, but okay.

3. Fossil fuels have increased significantly in price in my lifetime.

2dimes wrote:Coal? So this thread is against electric cars in North America?

Shh... electric cars run on electricity created by magic, not electricity created by fossil fuels.

Fossils are weird and not real. The Roman Catholic Church invented fossils in 1376

it would crippple the worlds economy. we can all go back to before the gilded age, which is what i want

thegreekdog wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:3. Fossil fuels cost money.

This thread is about comparative advantages. Please only include reasons why we should prefer other energy sources to fossil fuels.

That's not what the opening post says, but okay.

3. Fossil fuels have increased significantly in price in my lifetime.

In nominal prices or in real prices?

12. The existence of fossil fuels with corporations leads to conspiracy theories which aren't healthy.

* = I chose wikipedia because the presentation is easier on the eye then most other sites I found on the subject, cross reference with other sites if you doubt the veracity of the information.

13: Engine efficiency in fossil fuel driven vehicles is truly horrendous compared to electric motor driven vehicles

For details on on the various types see this wikipedia page*(don't scoff!), scroll down to the section headed "Internal Combustion Engine", you'll find this paragraph:

show: Engine Efficiency Page

For details on the electric motor check this wikipedia page*, then scroll down the section headed "Electronic commutator (EC) motor", you'll find this paragraph:

show: Electric Motor Efficiency Page

So now you'll probably ask: "Where do you think the electricity comes from in the first place, Hippy? Coal fired, and oil/gas burning power stations are still needed! " -To which I would reply; "Glad you asked Numbnuts, and here's why..... "

14: Fossil fuel burning power stations efficiency are horrendously inefficient compared to Hydroelectric dams and Tidal power schemes.

Hydroelectric and tidal power are top of the list as you can see from this handy graph located on this web page HERE:


The source is quoted as Eurelectic, when I tried to find the original publication to put that graph into context I kept bumping into a username restricted area, sign up if you want to, here's the search I used: http://www.eurelectric.org/Search/?search=thermal+efficiency&b.x=-1100&b.y=-57

If you find the original posting then reply here by all means.


In summary, fossil fuels as a means of generating power are awfully inefficient and we should move on.

Oil consumption enriches Arab warlords, who in turn fund terrorism.