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Governor Cuomo (NY) + Pro-Life Poll

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:53 pm

Cuomo's comments from last Friday that started all this: Governor Cuomo: ‘Extreme Conservatives Have No Place In New York

Dear Gov. Cuomo:

In light of your comments this past Friday, in which you declared that those “…extremist conservatives who are right-to-life, pro-assault weapon, anti-gay” have no place in the state of New York, we would humbly request a written explanation as to whether or not we are welcome to do business in this state. For many of our employees are pro-life and believe strongly in the Second Amendment. All of us will stand with any group being discriminated against.

But if we are not welcome, we will leave.

To give you some background on who we are and what we believe, Mercury Radio Arts and TheBlaze Inc. is a multimedia news, opinion and entertainment company, dedicated to delivering high-quality programming 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Through our Mercury One non-profit organization, we have also raised and given away for emergency relief over $14 million since its inception.

We were the first responders to Coney Island during Superstorm Sandy, not the federal government and not the state government, but Mercury One. We are good neighbors. We employ approximately 200 people in the State of New York and well over 300 people nationally from Washington D.C. to Dallas, Texas.

Our television content is broadcast to millions of people across America, including to New Yorkers through Dish Network and Cablevision.

Our internet content is seen by over 24 million unique visitors a month across the world.

Our radio content is carried on 400 stations and heard by millions across the nation daily.

Under the leadership and vision of our executives, one of whom incidentally was previously the Chief Executive Officer of the Huffington Post, our employees earn and are provided with the highest quality health care money can buy, regardless of its rapidly-increasing cost.


We are fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, entrepreneurs, dreamers, visionaries, hard-workers, straight, gay, black, white, believers, non-believers, liberals and conservatives. More importantly than any one of these labels, we are decent and kind human beings, and upstanding, loyal and patriotic Americans.

We are principled in the content we provide, and we work under a simple ethos: We tell the stories of love and courage where the good guys win.

We will stand with those with whom we may often disagree, like GLAAD, when they defend Russian citizens against hetero-fascists who argue that gays should be thrown in the ovens.

We will stand with a Hispanic actress who is compelled to resign from a performance because she happens to endorse a conservative candidate and we will stand with an MSNBC host who makes a mistake in a segment on race.

We think it was wrong when President Franklin D. Roosevelt interned Japanese Americans, and when our government mistreated Native Americans, such as during the massacre at Wounded Knee. For Manifest Destiny is wrong now and it was wrong then.

Why do we take these positions that at times do not comport with your notion of “extreme conservatives?”

We do so because we don’t believe people are parties. We don’t see things as left and right. We see things as right and wrong.

And we believe that the only moral position is to stand up to bullies and fascists of all kinds. We believe in equal rights for all and special privileges for none. We believe it’s our duty to dedicate our life and sacred honor to all American citizens, and every last one of us deserves and has a right, not from our government, but from our Creator, to be heard.

If the majority tramples on the rights of the minority we all lose.

And the most important minority is the individual – whether he or she be an “extreme conservative” or an “extreme progressive.”


The fundamental basis on which our country was built was on robust free speech. The very first right that the Founders of this nation enshrined in our Bill of Rights was freedom of speech because we created this country to escape the yoke of tyranny. When freedom of speech is chilled, we cannot openly express our ideas, and without competing ideas there can be only tyranny.

If a man cannot be free in his thoughts, can a man be free?

If a nation cannot tolerate all thoughts, can a nation be free? Is not our very strength as a country measured on its ability to tolerate and encourage all ideas?

Do we not all lose something when any one of us is excommunicated from society for our deep-seated opinions and beliefs?

So Gov. Cuomo, we must ask in light of your comments, would you build a tyranny here in New York? Would you stand against your constituents and blot them out into the darkness merely because you disagree with them, or because it serves you or your party politically? Would disenfranchised peoples have ever gained their freedoms in this country were it not for the right to free speech, and the pluralistic and truly diverse society that free speech facilitates?

Our organization creates jobs for hundreds of people in your state, and provides news, opinion, entertainment and a helping hand for millions of people across this country. Are our contributions, tax dollars, and genuine goodness as citizens not welcome here?

We respectfully request an answer on whether there are two classes of citizens.

But Gov. Cuomo, it’s not us that you should worry about, because as we have seen, every time this kind of speech is taken up by those in power, eventually history demands an answer.

Respectfully,

Glenn Beck
Founder and President of Mercury Radio Arts and TheBlaze Inc.

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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:56 pm

#butts


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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:10 pm

On behalf of New Yorkers everywhere, I can safely say that Glenn Beck does not represent us and I won't be sad if he leaves. I'm sure Alabama will take him.
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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:12 pm

Dear Cuomo,

Please give me a Supernova.
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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:12 pm

Yay! It worked!

You're the best. I will vote for you in the upcoming Costa Rican presidential election too.
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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:29 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:On behalf of New Yorkers everywhere, I can safely say that Glenn Beck does not represent us and I won't be sad if he leaves. I'm sure Alabama will take him.


To: His High New Yorkiness,

Im interested to know how it is, given your obvious expertise, that you are unaware Glenn Beck left New York years ago?

Alabama?? :lol: He chose Texas as the best place to build a business. I think you started off trying to insult all Alabamanians, but it looks like they will have the last laugh without having to utter a single word.

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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:55 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:Yay! It worked!

You're the best. I will vote for you in the upcoming Costa Rican presidential election too.

DY wins NY.


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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:11 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:On behalf of New Yorkers everywhere, I can safely say that Glenn Beck does not represent us and I won't be sad if he leaves. I'm sure Alabama will take him.


To: His High New Yorkiness,

Im interested to know how it is, given your obvious expertise, that you are unaware Glenn Beck left New York years ago?

Alabama?? :lol: He chose Texas as the best place to build a business. I think you started off trying to insult all Alabamanians, but it looks like they will have the last laugh without having to utter a single word.

From: Phats


Why would I know where Glenn Beck lives? I don't give a shit about him. I had no idea where he lived before I read this letter, and from the context of the letter, it sounded like he was personally insulted as a New Yorker that Cuomo would make such comments. Now that I know he doesn't even live in New York, his comments sound even more absurd.
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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby warmonger1981 on Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:44 pm

Its absurd that a governor would would be so obnoxious. Assuming he knows what all New Yorkers believe or SHOULD believe. Is it ok for a governor to cast out conservatives for their political view? He sounds like Hitler or a dictator. What would happen or how would you feel if your political views were discriminated on? Remember that it could be you one day that is in the minority waiting to board a train waiting to take a shower in Zyclon B. Just saying.
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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby beezer on Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:07 pm

People like Cuomo always want tolerance up until the point where they gain power. All of a sudden, it becomes noble for them to become intolerant.
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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:41 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:On behalf of New Yorkers everywhere, I can safely say that Glenn Beck does not represent us and I won't be sad if he leaves. I'm sure Alabama will take him.


To: His High New Yorkiness,

Im interested to know how it is, given your obvious expertise, that you are unaware Glenn Beck left New York years ago?

Alabama?? :lol: He chose Texas as the best place to build a business. I think you started off trying to insult all Alabamanians, but it looks like they will have the last laugh without having to utter a single word.

From: Phats


Why would I know where Glenn Beck lives? I don't give a shit about him. I had no idea where he lived before I read this letter, and from the context of the letter, it sounded like he was personally insulted as a New Yorker that Cuomo would make such comments. Now that I know he doesn't even live in New York, his comments sound even more absurd.


It's better to know something before you make insults about that something. Not sure how you could or why you would have an insulting opinion if you are clueless about the information, other than bigotry/hatred. I'll leave it at that.

As for Beck and some others.....Some people can figure things out before everyone else, others have to wait for a study to come out showing what has already been obvious. Some people do not wait to be officially asked to leave/kicked out, others can put together a series of thoughts and translate that into good timing. Some people can read the writing on the wall and understand what is going on around them, others blather on and on about things which they know nothing about. That's the difference between Glenn Beck, and say, Shawn Hannity , who just left New York this weekend. and I guess that's the difference between you and me. I would never in a million years say nor even think that Liberals or Progressives or Democrats should pack up and leave because of their beliefs. This is America. I guess that is the difference between you and me in actually respecting freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of religion, respecting the Constitution, actually having a real set of values and not changing them just because someone doesn't agree with me. I guess that's the difference between tolerance and hatred. I guess that is the difference between respecting America and having no respect for America or it's values and principles.

I guess that is the difference between Freedom and Tyranny.
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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:45 pm

Phatscotty wrote:It's better to know something before you make insults about that something.


That is absolutely backwards. That leads to biased thinking. For example, I know transgendered people have a 41% chance of committing suicide, so I treat them all as 41% fucked-up-in-the-head. I know black boys in America have a 50% chance of being arrested so I treat them all as 50% in jail.

You can only have truly unbiased insults if you know nothing about a subject.

The world would be better if random.org determined your opinion.
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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:46 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:On behalf of New Yorkers everywhere, I can safely say that Glenn Beck does not represent us and I won't be sad if he leaves. I'm sure Alabama will take him.


To: His High New Yorkiness,

Im interested to know how it is, given your obvious expertise, that you are unaware Glenn Beck left New York years ago?

Alabama?? :lol: He chose Texas as the best place to build a business. I think you started off trying to insult all Alabamanians, but it looks like they will have the last laugh without having to utter a single word.

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Why would I know where Glenn Beck lives? I don't give a shit about him. I had no idea where he lived before I read this letter, and from the context of the letter, it sounded like he was personally insulted as a New Yorker that Cuomo would make such comments. Now that I know he doesn't even live in New York, his comments sound even more absurd.


It's better to know something before you make insults about that something. Not sure how you could or why you would have an insulting opinion if you are clueless about the information. I'll leave it at that.


I can have a meaningful opinion on whether or not I like what Glenn Beck says without having any clue where he resides. I have no idea where Ann Coulter lives, but I'm pretty sure she's an asshole.

As for Beck and some others.....Some people can figure things out before everyone else, others have to wait for a study to come out showing what has already been obvious. Some people do not wait to be officially asked to leave/kicked out, others can put together a series of thoughts and translate that into good timing. Some people can read the writing on the wall and understand what is going on around them, others blather on and on about things which they know nothing about. That's the difference between Glenn Beck, and say, Shawn Hannity, who just left New York this weekend. and I guess that's the difference between you and me. I would never in a million years say nor even think that Liberals or Progressives or Democrats should pack up and leave because of their beliefs.


I didn't say Glenn Beck should leave, nor do I condone the governor's comments. I do believe he's right that the set of values he described does not represent New Yorkers, and is closer to a theocracy than a democracy.

This is America. I guess that is the difference between you and me in actually respecting freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of religion, respecting the Constitution, actually having a real set of values and not changing them just because someone doesn't agree with me. I guess that's the difference between tolerance and hatred. I guess that is the difference between respecting America and having no respect for America or it's values and principles.


It's not so clear-cut as you might expect. The views that Cuomo was singling out are views of hate, fear and intolerance. I think the people he's referring to also disrespect America and its values and principles. Is it un-American to be intolerant of bigots? Imagine if Cuomo had said that extreme conservatives who are pro-slavery have no place in New York -- would you object? Or are you just objecting because it's still fashionable to be anti-gay in some places?
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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:58 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:It's better to know something before you make insults about that something.


That is absolutely backwards. That leads to biased thinking. For example, I know transgendered people have a 41% chance of committing suicide, so I treat them all as 41% fucked-up-in-the-head. I know black boys in America have a 50% chance of being arrested so I treat them all as 50% in jail.

You can only have truly unbiased insults if you know nothing about a subject.

The world would be better if random.org determined your opinion.


I can agree about bias; hope you can agree about the ignorance. I will just speak for myself, but when I see or hear someone trying to bullshit their way out of something or pretend to speak intelligently when I know they don't have a clue, that starts deducting credibility points, and it's remembered.
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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:59 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:That is absolutely backwards. That leads to biased thinking. For example, I know transgendered people have a 41% chance of committing suicide, so I treat them all as 41% fucked-up-in-the-head. I know black boys in America have a 50% chance of being arrested so I treat them all as 50% in jail.


I think you took that Schrodinger's cat thought experiment way too far.
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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:17 am

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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby thegreekdog on Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:30 am

I don't think Governor Cuomo wants conservatives to get out, given the number of conservatives who run or are in positions of a high enough level in major companies. Additionally, the (incredibly high in New York) personal income tax burden is probably borne by conservatives. So, if all of those people leave, where does that leave New York? It would be interesting to have someone model that somehow. See how many tax dollars and jobs leave the state if the conservatives left; probably impossible though.

It's just political posturing, not news.
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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:43 pm

thegreekdog wrote:I don't think Governor Cuomo wants conservatives to get out, given the number of conservatives who run or are in positions of a high enough level in major companies.



What are those numbers of Conservatives you speak of? Do you think the number is increasing and that Conservatives are flocking to New York? or that the number is decreasing?

Conservatives are and have been leaving New York for a while, and it's not just because of what Cuomo said a few days ago, it's that it has been finally said out loud.

Do you know what the direct quote from Cuomo is? I don't find it one bit confusing or worth defending or questioning Here it is again, in plain English

gov Cuomo: .......THEY HAVE NO PLACE IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK

You may (somehow) think that doesn't mean Governor Cuomo wants Conservatives to get out; I don't think it could be more clear.
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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:56 pm

Donald Trump won't leave NY. New York State will keep their some 70 billionaires probably.


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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:04 pm

PS, why do you care about this particular stance of Cuomo's?
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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:10 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:PS, why do you care about this particular stance of Cuomo's?

The only logical conclusion is that Phattscotty is secretly one of the 70 billionaires that reside inside of New York state.


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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby Metsfanmax on Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:18 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:PS, why do you care about this particular stance of Cuomo's?

The only logical conclusion is that Phattscotty is secretly one of the 70 billionaires that reside inside of New York state.


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I would think he'd be happy about this. If all the conservatives leave New York for other states, then they'll be that much better able to fend off tyranny. Why not sacrifice New York and New England if it means the rest of the nation will be safe and free?
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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:26 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:PS, why do you care about this particular stance of Cuomo's?


Nobody else yet has even scratched the surface of what I think needs to be discussed about this issue, hopefully with you and TGD that is changing.

It's so much bigger than just a particular stance. 4 escalating levels flash through my mind in the first milisecond of thought...since 'extreme' is the heart of the matter, I'll take it to the extreme. I know Mets and maybe Andy will try to run with this as my main point, but I don't care about those misdirections, distractions, or malicious framing. I blaze my own trails.


on the basic end of why I care....I think we should ALL care ANYTIME a governor of ANY state tells a group of ANY PEOPLE they have no place in that state, no less a state like New York, and what it represents and how it is relative to the rest of America.

It's about fundamental principles, which means that I would feel and think the EXACT same way if the governor of Minnesota said that homosexuality is an 'extreme position', and people with that extreme position have no place in Minnesota. The fact that many people don't seem to care, since it's okay to hate Conservatives and even encouraged, tells me we are moving closer to the extreme, not further away from it.
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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby Metsfanmax on Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:42 pm

Phatscotty wrote:on the basic end of why I care....I think we should ALL care ANYTIME a governor of ANY state tells a group of ANY PEOPLE they have no place in that state, no less a state like New York, and what it represents and how it is relative to the rest of America.


I can only imagine Phatscotty in 1860.

"I think we should ALL care ANYTIME a governor of ANY northern state tells a group of ANY SLAVE OWNERS they have no place in that state"
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Re: Open Letter to Governor Cuomo (NY)

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:42 pm

I always thought PhatScotty was a libertarian.
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