Jesus was a Marxist

[betiko]

Why are american people so religious, hate so much commies; but yet they worship the king of commies?

[Dualta]

Not all Americans are Christians. And in America, like in all countries where there are Christians, there are too many Christians, and not enough Christianity.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Because history.

-TG

[chang50]

Not sure he was a Marxist or Commie,why do you think this?Didn't he believe in justice in the next life not this?

[mrswdk]

Jesus loved freedom, buddy, and there's no freedom in the gulags.

[thegreekdog]

While I appreciate the attempt, didn't you do this before?

The Free Dictionary defines marxism as follows: the economic and political theory and practice originated by Karl Marx and Freidrich Engels that holds that actions and human institutions are economically determined, that the class struggle is the basic agency of historical change, and that capitalism will ultimately be superseded by communism.

So how was Jesus a marxist given that:
(1) Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels were not yet alive when Jesus lived.
(2) There was no capitalism when Jesus was alive.

I think you mean to use a term other than marxism (maybe communism) but I want to make sure.

[Dualta]

Jesus loved freedom, buddy, and there's no freedom in the gulags.

Jesus did not love freedom. Jesus brought along a big, long list of rules and regulations that if you didn't obey, you'd 'burn in hell for all eternity'. If that's not being a totalitarian douchebag, what is?

"Knock, knock."
"Who's there?"
"Jesus. Let me in."
"Why should I let you in Jesus?"
"Because I will save you."
"Save me from what Jesus?"
"From what I'll do to you if you don't let me in".

Sounds like a crock of ancient Middle-Eastern mumbo-jumbo to me.

[betiko]

Well, Romans were as close as you can get from a capitalist state.
Jews were not treated as citizens and were a lower class. Jesus fought injustice how he could; he shared other people s wealth to distribute it to the poorest (bread, fish).
He gave free health care to anyone he could.

Marx and egels being born after is completely irrelevant. If Jesus is the son of god, he doesn t need to wait thousands of years for marx to invent marxism. His dad invented marx ffs, and jesus has tons of super powers. Jesus invented Marxism, Marx just phrased it.

[Borderdawg]

Marxist??? Hell, any Jesus I've ever known was Mexican.........

[betiko]

Marxist??? Hell, any Jesus I've ever known was Mexican.........

leon trotsky??

[jiminski]

Jesus loved freedom, buddy, and there's no freedom in the gulags.

heheh genius. did you steel that line from Bill O'Reilly?

[mrswdk]

He gave free health care to anyone he could.

Yeah, but he used his own magic to that. There's no mention of stealing Harry Potter's wand anywhere in the Bible.

[betiko]

He gave free health care to anyone he could.

Yeah, but he could use his own magical powers to do that.

you are being discriminative. Go to Haïti; it's full of magical healers and they will charge you for that. they are capitalist magicians. Jesus wasn't.

[Anarkistsdream]

Why are american people so religious, hate so much commies; but yet they worship the king of commies?

Let's not get off on to another topic, folks... Betiko made the most generalist comment one can make, lumping "all" Amercians into religious zealots that are all Christian...

Perhaps you have never been here before, or at least not in MUCH of the country, so let me say that "American people" are NOT "so religious." In fact, those that are, such as the Tea Party, are quickly breaking down as those government officials that ARE religious zealots are realizing they are losing their constituency to "moderates."

I have many friends that are "American" and are Jewish or Islamic... Neither believe Christ was the son of God... In fact, the vast majority of people I know, and I live in the Deep South, are non-worshipping Christians if they are Christians at all.

I assume you were making a blanket statement to make it easy to debate, but what you really did was insult a large portion of those Americans who are on this site...

Hey, all you fucking Rifle-Dropping, Snail-Snapping, Surrender Monkeys don't shave your armpits, you all smoke cigarettes, and you're all a bunch of pussies....

See, I can make generalizations too!

[thegreekdog]

Well, Romans were as close as you can get from a capitalist state.
Jews were not treated as citizens and were a lower class. Jesus fought injustice how he could; he shared other people s wealth to distribute it to the poorest (bread, fish).
He gave free health care to anyone he could.

Marx and egels being born after is completely irrelevant. If Jesus is the son of god, he doesn t need to wait thousands of years for marx to invent marxism. His dad invented marx ffs, and jesus has tons of super powers. Jesus invented Marxism, Marx just phrased it.

Actually, I think other people shared their wealth with poorer people per Jesus's instructions. I'm not sure Marx, Engel, and company, LLC, had the same view, but if we use your logic, I'm a marxist since I give money to charity and volunteer.

So, you don't understand marxism. I think you understand Jesus, which is weird considering your anti-religious proclivities. You also don't know much about Roman history (or Jewish history). So...

[notyou2]

Betiko, what you are describing could be communism, but it could also be socialism and they are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

[AndyDufresne]

TGD, I am pretty sure I understand marxism, and communism, and socialism. I get all I know from this: Ain't I Right -- Marty Robbins [1966]



Some favorite lyrics:

It matters not to you how people suffer
And should they, you'd consider that a gain
You bring a lot of trouble to the town and then you leave
That's part of your Communistic game
I detect a little Communism
I can see it in the things ya do
Communism, Socialism call it what you like
There's very little difference in the two

In summary, Jesus was a marxocialommunist.


--Andy

[notyou2]

TGD, I am pretty sure I understand marxism, and communism, and socialism. I get all I know from this: Ain't I Right -- Marty Robbins [1966]



Some favorite lyrics:

It matters not to you how people suffer
And should they, you'd consider that a gain
You bring a lot of trouble to the town and then you leave
That's part of your Communistic game
I detect a little Communism
I can see it in the things ya do
Communism, Socialism call it what you like
There's very little difference in the two

In summary, Jesus was a marxocialommunist.


--Andy

Is that song older than you Andy?

[betiko]

Why are american people so religious, hate so much commies; but yet they worship the king of commies?

Let's not get off on to another topic, folks... Betiko made the most generalist comment one can make, lumping "all" Amercians into religious zealots that are all Christian...

Perhaps you have never been here before, or at least not in MUCH of the country, so let me say that "American people" are NOT "so religious." In fact, those that are, such as the Tea Party, are quickly breaking down as those government officials that ARE religious zealots are realizing they are losing their constituency to "moderates."

I have many friends that are "American" and are Jewish or Islamic... Neither believe Christ was the son of God... In fact, the vast majority of people I know, and I live in the Deep South, are non-worshipping Christians if they are Christians at all.

I assume you were making a blanket statement to make it easy to debate, but what you really did was insult a large portion of those Americans who are on this site...

Hey, all you fucking Rifle-Dropping, Snail-Snapping, Surrender Monkeys don't shave your armpits, you all smoke cigarettes, and you're all a bunch of pussies....

See, I can make generalizations too!

you didn't say anything about hating commies though!
Yes thank, you, I do know that Americans are of all religions, and that not all religious americans are zealots. However, the religious fanatism existing in the USA isn't comparable to any religious fanatism in Europe.
This is a plain truth. Did I make a shortcut? you obviously know which americans I'm talking about without needing me to draw the whole picture. or not? Didn't think I needed to state the obvious.

[chang50]

'Render unto Caesar,what is Caesar's?'It's actually an insult to all the people who genuinely believed in and gave their lives for the cause of social equality,misguided or not,to include Jesus in their ranks.His focus was on the next life,this life is a 'vale of tears',and 'it is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven than a camel to pass thru the eye of a needle..'There is little indication he was concerned with the social conditions of people in the temporal sphere.

[betiko]

Well, Romans were as close as you can get from a capitalist state.
Jews were not treated as citizens and were a lower class. Jesus fought injustice how he could; he shared other people s wealth to distribute it to the poorest (bread, fish).
He gave free health care to anyone he could.

Marx and egels being born after is completely irrelevant. If Jesus is the son of god, he doesn t need to wait thousands of years for marx to invent marxism. His dad invented marx ffs, and jesus has tons of super powers. Jesus invented Marxism, Marx just phrased it.

Actually, I think other people shared their wealth with poorer people per Jesus's instructions. I'm not sure Marx, Engel, and company, LLC, had the same view, but if we use your logic, I'm a marxist since I give money to charity and volunteer.

So, you don't understand marxism. I think you understand Jesus, which is weird considering your anti-religious proclivities. You also don't know much about Roman history (or Jewish history). So...

you are a marxist!

On a more serious note, I just opened this thread to make a joke about all these stuff I see on internet about Amercians calling Obama a Marxist. Just look at all these memes ect... I just see them as hard core religious republicans with a little pea in their head. Just thought this thread could help, but looks like I've touched something sensitive and a few of your are taking it a bit seriously...

ps: for me marxism is just a current of communism. lke the difference between catholic and christian.

Also enlighten me. What is so far of from the capitalist system during the roman empire era? The "investment" were different, but they did invest to finance wars and get a return on investment through land, slaves and pillage. Banks existed back then, credits, loans and interest as well. What makes the roman empire's economical system so different from the capitalist? They did create value and added alue as well. They made many technological advances ect.

And now what, the Jews of Israel were highly considered by Romans during the Christ's time? yeah tell me about it, I'm curious!

[mrswdk]

There are always people who would rather split hairs than just engage with the actual topic at hand.

[thegreekdog]

Well, Romans were as close as you can get from a capitalist state.
Jews were not treated as citizens and were a lower class. Jesus fought injustice how he could; he shared other people s wealth to distribute it to the poorest (bread, fish).
He gave free health care to anyone he could.

Marx and egels being born after is completely irrelevant. If Jesus is the son of god, he doesn t need to wait thousands of years for marx to invent marxism. His dad invented marx ffs, and jesus has tons of super powers. Jesus invented Marxism, Marx just phrased it.

Actually, I think other people shared their wealth with poorer people per Jesus's instructions. I'm not sure Marx, Engel, and company, LLC, had the same view, but if we use your logic, I'm a marxist since I give money to charity and volunteer.

So, you don't understand marxism. I think you understand Jesus, which is weird considering your anti-religious proclivities. You also don't know much about Roman history (or Jewish history). So...

you are a marxist!

On a more serious note, I just opened this thread to make a joke about all these stuff I see on internet about Amercians calling Obama a Marxist. Just look at all these memes ect... I just see them as hard core religious republicans with a little pea in their head. Just thought this thread could help, but looks like I've touched something sensitive and a few of your are taking it a bit seriously...

I think we addressed the Obama is a marxist idiocy in another thread (I think it was called "Obama is a Marxist" but might also be the health insurance thread). And I only addressed the Jesus is a marxist comment because that was also brought up in another thread and because your attempt at a joke was not based in any kind of factual background. Jesus most assuredly was not a capitalist (neither is the Catholic Church, for whatever that's worth).

As for Rome and the Jews, you can do your own reading if you want to avoid silly comments like "Rome was capitalist" and "Jews were a lower class." I'm not here to write a history paper for you.

There are always people who would rather split hairs than just engage with the actual topic at hand.

Which is what?

[mrswdk]

'Was Jesus a Marxist?'

[Anarkistsdream]

There are always people who would rather split hairs than just engage with the actual topic at hand.

The way you say something is more important than what you say... If nobody understand your meaning, or if the way you say something means different things to different people, then this idea of "splitting hairs" is important...

If you want to have a "real" conversation, than quit making general assumptions and ignorant remarks and ASSUMPTIONS that people will think what you wrote was what you meant.