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Posted: **Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:55 pm**

Quite an interesting video:

A guy wearing a sign...what does that have to do with Communism, you say? Well, people responded to the man with their true "communist" spirits by sticking up for the poor; but then they easily reverted back to their "programmed" capitalist habits of hoarding their wealth for themselves.

When given the natural choice, humans want to be communist; but out of their own presupposed fear for survival, they will hoard "things" (money, food, beer, knowledge, etc.)

Is "hoarding" a natural human act? Or is it learned? I believe it is learned...over many years and generations. The natural state of the human world is one that involves the well being of others. Firefighters fight fires, doctors save lives, scientists share innovations. Even if there were no money at all, these people would still do these things.

Money is illusion. Knowledge and community is everything!

Please change the way you think (if you are capitalist).

Thank you,
TheDevil

Posted: **Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:55 pm**

You're going to fit in well

Posted: **Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:30 pm**

i cant even believe i am taking the time to respond to this...wow, simply amazing! and i see you are wearing a flag from the USA....

so giving is a communist act and hoarding is a capitalist act? i see some holes in that generalization.

I assume you are speaking from experience about how great communism is and how awful capitalism is? I think communism works great in theory...in practice I don't see such a good track record when done on a large scale.

Posted: **Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:35 pm**

did you really join the site 26 minutes before you made this post?

Posted: **Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:55 pm**

Mr. Iowa, he's a multi-Troll.

A better bait would've been sitting on an account for 2 years and then unleash the Communist banter. But, Communists can't do long-run trolling because they can't think in terms of a long-run. From them, it's always: "steal your stuff nao!!!!" No wonder their system is unsustainable.

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:27 am**

People want to be communist? Lawlz.

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:56 am**

Hey DaGip. How's it going?

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:22 am**

Ooohhhh entertainment.

Edit: damn guested already

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:22 am**

Devil_Machine wrote:Is "hoarding" a natural human act? Or is it learned? I believe it is learned...over many years and generations. The natural state of the human world is one that involves the well being of others. Firefighters fight fires, doctors save lives, scientists share innovations. Even if there were no money at all, these people would still do these things.

Money is illusion. Knowledge and community is everything!

Please change the way you think (if you are capitalist).

0/10

BBS wrote:A better bait would've been sitting on an account for 2 years and then unleash the Communist banter. But, Communists can't do long-run trolling because they can't think in terms of a long-run. From them, it's always: "steal your stuff nao!!!!" No wonder their system is unsustainable.

7/10

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:41 am**

Hey guys, the early nineteen-hundreds called. They want their unsustainable economic theories back.

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:15 pm**

ChrisPond wrote:I assume you are speaking from experience about how great communism is and how awful capitalism is?

Q: Why communism is bad?
A: Railway is needed to be build from point A to point B and there are two options, threw mounties(with a lot of tunes) or threw swamps(with a lot of bridges). Stalin draws straight line between the two dots, and that is built, but that option is far more expensive then previous two.
Q: Why capitalism is bad?
A: Kardashian's ass is more popular then few new dwarf planets discovered circling in our solar system. As a result majority of the children want to become like Kardashian and not engineers. The more engineers one country has the better for it.
Conclusion: Both Communism and Capitalism have huge flaws.

Generally Communism is much better for achieving higher goals like achieving unexplored goals(traveling in other space, to other planets etc...), and is much better in eliminating religious and racial differences. But it lacks a mechanism of leadership correction, meaning there is no easy way to remove incompetent leader.
Capitalism usually has better stats when it comes to the leaders mainly because of the adoption of certain parts of the Democracy, but it fails to achieve goals for which whole nations need to work for long period. And it has bigger weakness when it comes to corruption.
So what system can work best? Probably Communism + Democracy

I have lived in socialist system(Yugoslavia) and transitional system to capitalism(Macedonia).

ChrisPond wrote:I think communism works great in theory...in practice I don't see such a good track record when done on a large scale.

Imagine democratic voting in Communism, would that fix most of the records?

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:19 pm**

Worked pretty well in China and Cuba though, plus Soviet Russia did better than under their previous or current systems.

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:39 pm**

Symmetry wrote:Worked pretty well in China and Cuba though, plus Soviet Russia did better than under their previous or current systems.

5/10

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:57 pm**

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Worked pretty well in China and Cuba though, plus Soviet Russia did better than under their previous or current systems.

5/10

Why? Communism is a fantastic system for transition from a dictatorship. It's revolutionary, it's effective quite rapidly, and it tends to unite its people. It has a lot of flaws, for certain, but you can't deny that it rapidly changes societies.

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:58 pm**

Symmetry wrote:Why? Communism is a fantastic system for transition to a dictatorship.

FTFY

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:59 pm**

Metsfanmax wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Why? Communism is a fantastic system for transition to a dictatorship.

FTFY

That is true also, though it's sad that you didn't feel like engaging with my points and had to edit my arguments so heavily.

Do you really believe that Communist Cuba is worse that Batista's American backed regime?

Or that the USSR was worse than Tsarist Russia with serfs?

Or that Vietnam was better while it was under French colonial rule, or indeed, at war with the US?

It's a flawed system, but an effective one.

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:39 pm**

Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Worked pretty well in China and Cuba though, plus Soviet Russia did better than under their previous or current systems.

5/10

Why? Communism is a fantastic system for transition from a dictatorship. It's revolutionary, it's effective quite rapidly, and it tends to unite its people. It has a lot of flaws, for certain, but you can't deny that it rapidly changes societies.

Uh-huh. There's a lot of problems with your claims, but please expand on them.

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:52 pm**

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Worked pretty well in China and Cuba though, plus Soviet Russia did better than under their previous or current systems.

5/10

Why? Communism is a fantastic system for transition from a dictatorship. It's revolutionary, it's effective quite rapidly, and it tends to unite its people. It has a lot of flaws, for certain, but you can't deny that it rapidly changes societies.

Uh-huh. There's a lot of problems with your claims, but please expand on them.

I expanded on the point just above. What are the problems with them?

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:52 pm**

Regrettably Symm only means what he says about Cuba insofar as he can wear a tshirt with Che's picture. He has made it clear he is absolutely opposed to the revolutionary socialist internationalist ethos that is inseperable with the Cuban worldview.

Cuba supports return of the Malvinas to Argentina and Gibraltar to Spain, Symm does not. Cuba backs the Syrian Arab Socialist Baath Party, Symm does not. Cuba supported the liberation of Crimea by Russia. Symm wants NATO war. Cuba has offered safe haven to Irish freedom fighters fleeing British police, which Symm opposes.

These are not incidental differences of opinion. These positions are central to the anti-imperialist fulcrum on which all of Cuba, including domestic policies, turn. The hypocrisy from Symm is astounding.*

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:58 pm**

Lemme guess..... Devil machine is a college freshman?

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:13 pm**

Symmetry wrote:Or that the USSR was worse than Tsarist Russia with serfs?

Yes. Please, defend Stalin.

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:30 pm**

Metsfanmax wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Or that the USSR was worse than Tsarist Russia with serfs?

Yes. Please, defend Stalin.

Is this going to be a running theme? Selective editing and a refusal to respond to what I'm saying?

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:31 pm**

Symmetry wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Why? Communism is a fantastic system for transition to a dictatorship.

FTFY

That is true also, though it's sad that you didn't feel like engaging with my points and had to edit my arguments so heavily.

Do you really believe that Communist Cuba is worse that Batista's American backed regime?

Or that the USSR was worse than Tsarist Russia with serfs?

Or that Vietnam was better while it was under French colonial rule, or indeed, at war with the US?

It's a flawed system, but an effective one.

The Soviet Union was much worse than Tsarist Russia ( at least in terms of freedom). By the time of of the Revolution Serfdom had been ended for about a generation. The Tsars, though they engaged in censorship never used the sort of widespread oppression of Stalinist or even Lenninist Russia.

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:40 pm**

Baron Von PWN wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Why? Communism is a fantastic system for transition to a dictatorship.

FTFY

That is true also, though it's sad that you didn't feel like engaging with my points and had to edit my arguments so heavily.

Do you really believe that Communist Cuba is worse that Batista's American backed regime?

Or that the USSR was worse than Tsarist Russia with serfs?

Or that Vietnam was better while it was under French colonial rule, or indeed, at war with the US?

It's a flawed system, but an effective one.

The Soviet Union was much worse than Tsarist Russia ( at least in terms of freedom). By the time of of the Revolution Serfdom had been ended for about a generation. The Tsars, though they engaged in censorship never used the sort of widespread oppression of Stalinist or even Lenninist Russia.

They had serfdom dude, get your head screwed on.

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:46 pm**

Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Worked pretty well in China and Cuba though, plus Soviet Russia did better than under their previous or current systems.

5/10

Why? Communism is a fantastic system for transition from a dictatorship. It's revolutionary, it's effective quite rapidly, and it tends to unite its people. It has a lot of flaws, for certain, but you can't deny that it rapidly changes societies.

Uh-huh. There's a lot of problems with your claims, but please expand on them.

I expanded on the point just above. What are the problems with them?

Well, with you, we got a credible commitment problem. You seem to have committed yourself to your claims, but it's not credible because you could be trolling.

To see if you're trolling, I raise the 'price' by requesting you to supply more information behind the claims. Failure to do so indicates greater probability of trolling.

Thus, the probability of your trolling has increased from 65% to 80%.

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