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Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:37 am
by DaGip
Is it possible?

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I've always been of the belief that one could never over dose and die from LSD, am I wrong? From what I heard is that you would go broke trying to buy enough LSD to receive a lethal dose, and that LSD itself leaves the human body very very quickly. The only thing that you would die from would be something you would naturally die from anyway...jumping out a window, crawling on train tracks, swimming with killer whales, having a heart attack while sticking your head in a microwave. Though you can die from natural (sometimes stupid) causes while on LSD, one does not die from the chemical makeup of LSD (such as arsenic or carbon monoxide poisoning or a deep dark pit of venomous snakes).

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Though I do not promote using LSD as a recreational drug, I think it is important to be truthful about the substance and be truthful about what it can do for medicine and psychiatry. Wisdom trumps societal assumptions, imo.

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Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:08 am
by betiko
you can die from drinking too much water. what do you think can happen if your body digests unreasonable amounts of acid?

Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:01 am
by warmonger1981
I once put a hit of LSD in my eye for a good visual trip.

Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:35 am
by patches70
It's pretty hard to OD on LSD. There is only one suspected OD death attributed to LSD. The subject in that case took some 320mg of LSD intravenously and died. Whether or not death was from LSD OD is unsure. The typical dosage of LSD is usually around 50-150 micrograms, so you can imagine just how much 320 mg is compared to a regular dose. About 3,000X the normal dosage.

LSD deaths today are attributed to 25C-NBOMe and 25I-NBOMe which are found on blotter are completely different from LSD and can certainly cause death when ingested in fairly high concentrations.

All the deaths attributed to possible LSD OD have never explained how the LSD caused the death, only that LSD was found in the toxicological assessment after death. No one has been able to show how LSD causes death if it indeed even does.

So the answer to the question of "Is it possible to have a lethal dosage of LSD?" is-
Unknown. At least pharmacologically.

Behavioral and suicide deaths while using LSD is fairly well documented, but even those cases are rare.

Erowid has some decent information on LSD and possible deaths-

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... 7613,d.aWw

Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:14 pm
by TA1LGUNN3R
dagip wrote:Though I do not promote using LSD as a recreational drug


Why not?

-TG

Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:58 pm
by natty dread
There is no known LD50 in humans.

People have been known to take unbelievably huge dosages of acid without any (physical) consequences. There exists anecdotal evidence of people ingesting dosages of up to 50mg and surviving. Can't remember what the highest scientifically verified dosage is but it's probably in the same ballpark - when they did those tests on prisoners back in ye olde 40's they administered some pretty ridiculous dosages.

There's an interesting concept known as "thumbprinting", a practice practiced by dirty hippies back in ye olde 70's. The idea was to take a large crystal of pure LSD, press your thumb on it and then lick the thumb. It's hard to even estimate the dosage one would get with this kind of method of administration, but it would probably be in the ballpark of 10mg. Reportedly these dosages would cause lasting effects for several days.

It is also entirely conceivable that a person with heart problems or other such health issues could suffer a fatal heart attack or stroke induced by the stress caused by the psychological effects of the drug. This is, by the way, a very interesting thought to contemplate on when you're coming up on a trip - have fun.

Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:05 pm
by AndyDufresne
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--Andy

Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:31 pm
by oVo
You can certainly do too much LSD. It may not kill you, but there is always the possibility of lingering effects. The problem with LSD and all street drugs is the quality, not the quantity. You don't always get what you pay for and it's a dirty business.

Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:44 pm
by Army of GOD
ITT: hippies.


Get a job you dirty cunts

Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:47 pm
by betiko
oVo wrote:You can certainly do too much LSD. It may not kill you, but there is always the possibility of lingering effects. The problem with LSD and all street drugs is the quality, not the quantity. You don't always get what you pay for and it's a dirty business.


Again, if you drink insane quantities of water you die, and we are 80% water.
The question is how much is too much for LSD, but questioning the fact that "too much" exists is stupid. Of course you can OD from it. There is absolutely nothing on this planet that doesn t cause death when taken in ridiculous amounts. Even too much oxygen can cause death.

Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:35 pm
by oVo
If someone sells you gasoline labelled and tells you it's water,
that can be problematic if you take their word for it
and drink.

Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:14 pm
by betiko
Look out for hyponatremia.
If you drink too much water and drop your sodium level bellow normal, your bloodstream has too diluted sodium and you even have your brain swelling and pushed against the skull, which can result in death.

Anything in too big proportions is deadly.

Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:31 pm
by DaGip
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
dagip wrote:Though I do not promote using LSD as a recreational drug


Why not?

-TG


For you, TG...then yes. Enjoy!

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Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:39 pm
by notyou2
LSD is safer than alcohol.

Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:35 am
by rdsrds2120
notyou2 wrote:LSD is safer than alcohol.


So when you're on LSD, just don't leave your house and everything should be cool. But when you're drinking alcohol...


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--Gomez

Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:05 am
by DaGip
rdsrds2120 wrote:
notyou2 wrote:LSD is safer than alcohol.


So when you're on LSD, just don't leave your house and everything should be cool. But when you're drinking alcohol...


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--Gomez


On the contrary, you should definitely leave the house when dropping acid...preferably in the forest far away from civilization.

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Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:17 am
by notyou2
rdsrds2120 wrote:
notyou2 wrote:LSD is safer than alcohol.


So when you're on LSD, just don't leave your house and everything should be cool. But when you're drinking alcohol...


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--Gomez


Why shouldn't you leave your house????

It's safer on so many levels than alcohol.

Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:52 am
by Dukasaur
notyou2 wrote:
rdsrds2120 wrote:
notyou2 wrote:LSD is safer than alcohol.


So when you're on LSD, just don't leave your house and everything should be cool. But when you're drinking alcohol...


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--Gomez


Why shouldn't you leave your house????

It's safer on so many levels than alcohol.

Way back in my druggie days, I drove truck many times while doing acid, and never had a problem. I can't see myself attempting to drive truck with anything approaching the legal limit for alcohol. Definitely it's much more difficult to focus on anything while muddled by booze than while experiencing the crystal clarity of thought that some nice windowpane acid allows.

Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:58 am
by patches70
Dukasaur wrote:Way back in my druggie days, I drove truck many times while doing acid, and never had a problem. I can't see myself attempting to drive truck with anything approaching the legal limit for alcohol. Definitely it's much more difficult to focus on anything while muddled by booze than while experiencing the crystal clarity of thought that some nice windowpane acid allows.


I've gone ahead and taken the liberty to forward your reply to your employers and the Highway Transportation Board. I'm sure they'll be understanding in their response.

Hahahaha!



Sorry, I'd never rat you out, but I just couldn't help myself making a joke about it. But with God as my witness, if you crash me or my family with your truck while on the effects of LSD (or any other substance), you better hope you kill me or get tossed into prison for a very long time, because I would kill you just as soon as it was readily possible for me to do so. That ain't no accident, that's criminal negligence. I sincerely hope you are wiser than that now.

Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 10:03 am
by Dukasaur
patches70 wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:Way back in my druggie days, I drove truck many times while doing acid, and never had a problem. I can't see myself attempting to drive truck with anything approaching the legal limit for alcohol. Definitely it's much more difficult to focus on anything while muddled by booze than while experiencing the crystal clarity of thought that some nice windowpane acid allows.


I've gone ahead and taken the liberty to forward your reply to your employers and the Highway Transportation Board. I'm sure they'll be understanding in their response.

Hahahaha!



Sorry, I'd never rat you out, but I just couldn't help myself making a joke about it. But with God as my witness, if you crash me or my family with your truck while on the effects of LSD (or any other substance), you better hope you kill me or get tossed into prison for a very long time, because I would kill you just as soon as it was readily possible for me to do so. That ain't no accident, that's criminal negligence. I sincerely hope you are wiser than that now.

Like I said: Waaaay back in my druggie days...:)

Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:30 pm
by oVo
Dukasaur wrote: I drove my truck many times while doing acid,
and never had a problem.

Hmmm... Crystal patterns grew on the far walls near the stage and eventually cascaded across the large room like rainbows. I could barely see past the frosting on my glasses, so she took me by the hand and led me out of the club. Serpentine through the crowd outside, we wading waist deep in the concrete and eventually made it to the car. I did not drive.

In fact I never ever drove while trippin'.

Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:32 pm
by Army of GOD
ITT: hippies with cars

get off the road and get a job you dirty, dangerous cunts

Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:07 pm
by Dukasaur
oVo wrote:
Dukasaur wrote: I drove my truck many times while doing acid,
and never had a problem.

Hmmm... Crystal patterns grew on the far walls near the stage and eventually cascaded across the large room like rainbows. I could barely see past the frosting on my glasses, so she took me by the hand and led me out of the club. Serpentine through the crowd outside, we wading waist deep in the concrete and eventually made it to the car. I did not drive.

In fact I never ever drove while trippin'.

Yeah, if you're seeing a cascade of turnips erupting from your fold-out couch or a hurricane of fire lizards swirling around your house, then you're definitely on too intense a trip to be operating machinery. I would even stay away from the microwave at a time like that. Just relax and enjoy, don't do anything.

However, to do intense trips like that you have to limit yourself to no more than once every two weeks or so. If you do it more often than that you will reduce the intensity of the trip to the point where it just becomes a hightened sense of awareness without any of the really cool effects. You can get to a point like Dock Ellis:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dock_Ellis#June_12.2C_1970.2C_no-hitter
June 12, 1970, no-hitter

Self-reportedly under the influence of LSD, Ellis pitched a no-hitter against the Padres on Friday, June 12, 1970. The Pirates flew to San Diego on Thursday, June 11 for a series against the San Diego Padres. Ellis reported that he visited a friend in Los Angeles and used LSD "two or three times." Thinking it was still Thursday, he took a hit of LSD on Friday at noon, and his friend's girlfriend reminded him at 2:00 PM that he was scheduled to pitch that night. Ellis flew from Los Angeles to San Diego at 3:00 PM and arrived at San Diego Stadium at 4:30 PM; the game started at 6:05 PM.[5]

Ellis threw a no-hitter despite being unable to feel the ball or see the batter or catcher clearly.[24] Ellis said his catcher Jerry May wore reflective tape on his fingers which helped him to see May's signals. Ellis walked eight batters and struck out six, and he was aided by excellent fielding plays from second baseman Bill Mazeroski and center fielder Matty Alou.[25]

As Ellis recounted it:

I can only remember bits and pieces of the game. I was psyched. I had a feeling of euphoria. I was zeroed in on the [catcher's] glove, but I didn't hit the glove too much. I remember hitting a couple of batters, and the bases were loaded two or three times. The ball was small sometimes, the ball was large sometimes, sometimes I saw the catcher, sometimes I didn't. Sometimes, I tried to stare the hitter down and throw while I was looking at him. I chewed my gum until it turned to powder. I started having a crazy idea in the fourth inning that Richard Nixon was the home plate umpire, and once I thought I was pitching a baseball to Jimi Hendrix, who to me was holding a guitar and swinging it over the plate. They say I had about three to four fielding chances. I remember diving out of the way of a ball I thought was a line drive. I jumped, but the ball wasn't hit hard and never reached me.[26]

Ellis reported that he never used LSD during the season again, though he continued to use amphetamines.[5]

An animated short film by James Blagden about the game, "Dock Ellis and the LSD No-No", features narration in Ellis's own voice, taken from a 2008 NPR interview.[27]

People who have only had the turnips-and-fire-lizards kind of trip and have never gotten to the heightened-awareness-with-normal-behaviour level are skeptical about that. The wikipedia article goes on to point out:
Assessments of LSD claim

Bob Smizik of the Pittsburgh Press believes Ellis' version of events that day, although he did not witness the game in person. Smizik was the reporter who first broke the story. Bill Christine, also of the Pittsburgh Press, doesn't believe Ellis' claim and was at the game that day. Christine was a beat reporter who "practically lived with the team that year". Christine said that he did not notice anything unusual, and says that if Ellis had reported to the stadium only 90 minutes before his scheduled start, reporters would have been told. John Mehno, a reporter who had "extensive interactions" with Ellis over his career, was skeptical about many stories told by Ellis, including the LSD no-hitter. Mehno said that he has not found a teammate who would corroborate the story. [28]

I certainly have no trouble believing it. I know I reached that kind of plateau during my wild time. Calling it my "druggie years" is almost an exaggeration; it was really only 18 months from June of 1986 to December of '87, but during that time I had some periods where I was dropping acid almost every day, and I got to the point where I was able to compartmentalize my life, go to work on a normal schedule, chair party meetings (I was very active politically in those days), even go to court (it was also during that phase that I developed an obsession with fighting parking tickets -- I went to court and fought every single one, with a 65% success rate). After a while there are no hallucinations or anything, just that heart-pounding sense that every single thing you do is more important than it really is.

Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:13 pm
by natty dread
Being naked in a completely dark, silent room while coming up on LSD is fun.

You're there, nothing to distract you, no sight, no sound, no clothes - just you, the fundamental you, alone, facing the universe alone as it descends upon you in a vortex of crystal rainbows and spiraling thoughts that eat themselves and vomit out paradoxes that point at you and laugh at light speed.

Re: Lethal Dosage of LSD

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:18 pm
by DaGip
Army of GOD wrote:ITT: hippies with cars

get off the road and get a job you dirty, dangerous cunts


AoG is full of penis.