Conquer Club

For last Friday. Happy Europe Day d

Trade did the stabilizing. Not sure how letting in crappy countries and bailing them out led to increased stabilization (PIGS), but hey, no questions! Only Unification! Big Plans lead to Great Things!

Yeah, yeah. People were sat around in 1913 yammering about how trade and interconnectedness meant war in Europe was unthinkable. Trade alone does not lead to peace and political unity.

mrswdk wrote:Yeah, yeah. People were sat around in 1913 yammering about how trade and interconnectedness meant war in Europe was unthinkable. Trade alone does not lead to peace and political unity.

Maybe not, but it is an essential part.

mrswdk wrote:Yeah, yeah. People were sat around in 1913 yammering about how trade and interconnectedness meant war in Europe was unthinkable. Trade alone does not lead to peace and political unity.

At 1913, international trade was extremely limited. You don't get the big jump until the 1960s/1970s. But anyway, who at that time was yammering about trade? And which people, who wielded power, really listened?

And political unity isn't necessary.

BigBallinStalin wrote:

mrswdk wrote:Yeah, yeah. People were sat around in 1913 yammering about how trade and interconnectedness meant war in Europe was unthinkable. Trade alone does not lead to peace and political unity.

At 1913, international trade was extremely limited. You don't get the big jump until the 1960s/1970s. But anyway, who at that time was yammering about trade? And which people, who wielded power, really listened?

And political unity isn't necessary.

Tell that to the countries where people can remember the terrible events of two world wars fought on their territory..anything that has contributed to the relative peace of the last 7 decades deserves credit.

BBC wrote:And political unity isn't necessary

Says who, based on what?

bbz wrote:who at that time was yammering about trade? And which people, who wielded power, really listened

Keynes, among others.

Globalization had already boomed to a level where war was a dumb idea (as detailed in the book The Great Illusion). However, that didn't stop war occurring between fractious, competitive leaders who had no strong international body adjudicating between them. Just because something is dumb doesn't mean that people won't do it.

chang50 wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

mrswdk wrote:Yeah, yeah. People were sat around in 1913 yammering about how trade and interconnectedness meant war in Europe was unthinkable. Trade alone does not lead to peace and political unity.

At 1913, international trade was extremely limited. You don't get the big jump until the 1960s/1970s. But anyway, who at that time was yammering about trade? And which people, who wielded power, really listened?

And political unity isn't necessary.

Tell that to the countries where people can remember the terrible events of two world wars fought on their territory..anything that has contributed to the relative peace of the last 7 decades deserves credit.

So, the EU has prevented a European country from starting WW3? When EU members join the ISAF and help the US invade countries, you call that contributing to peace?

When the top 6 founded some trade agreements in the 1950s (the beginning of the EU--minus the political unification), the probability of war with non-members like Sweden was high?

BigBallinStalin wrote:

chang50 wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

mrswdk wrote:Yeah, yeah. People were sat around in 1913 yammering about how trade and interconnectedness meant war in Europe was unthinkable. Trade alone does not lead to peace and political unity.

At 1913, international trade was extremely limited. You don't get the big jump until the 1960s/1970s. But anyway, who at that time was yammering about trade? And which people, who wielded power, really listened?

And political unity isn't necessary.

Tell that to the countries where people can remember the terrible events of two world wars fought on their territory..anything that has contributed to the relative peace of the last 7 decades deserves credit.

So, the EU has prevented a European country from starting WW3? When EU members join the ISAF and help the US invade countries, you call that contributing to peace?

When the top 6 founded some trade agreements in the 1950s (the beginning of the EU--minus the political unification), the probability of war with non-members like Sweden was high?

Relative peace I said,and yes only a moron would argue that cementing Germany's role in the heart of an European union,allied to erstwhile enemies,is anything but beneficial to local peace given their history 1870-1945,as an independent nation.