Conquer Club

I've been eating more vegetarian types of dishes and fish. Beef is insanely expensive and I hate having to pay those prices, so I changed my diet to mostly fish and vegetables (maybe once a week I will have chicken). Beef and pork are out of my diet and I have to say that I can tell the difference with my health. I've been losing weight without any extra exercise and I stopped snoring at night. Every once in a while I will see a big, juicy bacon cheeseburger and I will start to crave it. One thing I really miss is lamb. Lamb is extremely expensive, more so than beef; but I make it maybe twice or three times a year (or if it is on sale for cheap at the butcher shop). Usually I make lamb for St.Paddie's Day and Easter.

I don't consider myself a vegan nor a vegetarian (just mostly vegetarian). I still have dairy and eggs, so I am guessing that means that I am not a vegetarian. I've seen vegans, and they just don't look healthy at all. When I am asked why I am vegetarian, I never know exactly what to say. It's like people just don't get it and want to hear you justify your position, when there really isn't any position to justify.

I could care less if someone is vegan, vegetarian, or carnivorous. My choice was first based off of economical ends, secondly my health was of concern. Kind of ridiculous that I would put my money before my health, but I don't think I am alone in that venture. Now that I see what I had done, I will be more astute about my health. Vegetarianism is both economical and healthy, and as long as meat prices stay so high, I guess I will remain eating mostly vegetables.

DaGip wrote:
I could care less if someone is vegan, vegetarian, or carnivorous.

That right there means you are indeed not a vegetarian

Foraging for food at the local grocery store
the ground Buffalo is going for $9 a pound.
I'm wondering if Swine Flu is on the verge of
a comeback, pork tenderloin was on sale for
$1.99 a pound. I'll be smoking some meat
tomorrow.

Times are bizarre at the moment...
July 31st and it was 70º at 7 PM in Texas!

Funny that youre blaming red meat for extra pounds. With a paleo diet you can lose weight quite rqpidly. Maybe it's the bread youre not eating now that you dont have burgers.

But everybody is different. I can lose a lot of weight quite rapidly if i stop eating anything starchy.

It has always seem weird to me how people complain about the price of food. Id rather go without a cellphone, cable or wathver than start to pay attention to the price of delicious food. I dont go to fancy restaurants or anything but i always buy the best food i have access to.

nietzsche wrote:Funny that youre blaming red meat for extra pounds. With a paleo diet you can lose weight quite rqpidly. Maybe it's the bread youre not eating now that you dont have burgers.

But everybody is different. I can lose a lot of weight quite rapidly if i stop eating anything starchy.

It has always seem weird to me how people complain about the price of food. Id rather go without a cellphone, cable or wathver than start to pay attention to the price of delicious food. I dont go to fancy restaurants or anything but i always buy the best food i have access to.

And by people i mean us people that play an online game and post in an off topics forums, dont start calling me insensitive for something i didnt mean. And yes im looking at you.

nietzsche wrote:Funny that youre blaming red meat for extra pounds. With a paleo diet you can lose weight quite rqpidly. Maybe it's the bread youre not eating now that you dont have burgers.

But everybody is different. I can lose a lot of weight quite rapidly if i stop eating anything starchy.

It has always seem weird to me how people complain about the price of food. Id rather go without a cellphone, cable or wathver than start to pay attention to the price of delicious food. I dont go to fancy restaurants or anything but i always buy the best food i have access to.

Absolutely! Well said brother Friedrich!



Good food and good beer are what makes life worthwhile.

Scrap all the materialistic horseshit. You don't need to wear fancy clothes or drive fancy cars or buy the bullshit electronic gizmos the marketing assholes are selling, but you do need to treat your body well. I buy my clothes at Value Village, I drive hand-me down cars from relatives, I buy books and movies at second-hand stores, I get my teeth fixed by the students at the dental school for 10% of what a real dentist charges, I have a flip phone from the discontinued shelf and a Pentium III from a dead relative. But if I have to spend $15.00 on a nice juicy steak, $6.00 on the freshest vegetables to dress it with, and $12.00 on a six-pack of Grolsch to wash it down with, abso-fucking-lutely will I do that!

My body is a temple, and I make the finest-quality offerings to the gods! Grolsch, Pilsener Urquell, Canadian Club, Johnny Walker, big T-bone steaks, lovely pancetta pork bellies, big slabs of pork tenderloin, hand-cut sauerkraut, big lovely Vidalia onions, kick-ass habaneros, pate de fois gras, pate a la campagne, Limburger on little Swedish flatbreads, big chunks of Emmenthal, a whole Gouda wheel!, Grand Marnier over real gelato, Black Forest cake, knackwurst, blood pudding, lox, Szechuan Orange Beef, Szegedin goulash, octopus soup, Creme de Menthe, Pinot Grigio, little dark chocolate truffles, and the little orange ones with the cognac! oh yes! oh yes!

Sometimes work is too hectic and I have to eat garbage from drive-throughs. And sometimes money gets tight and I have to eat spaghetti. But I think I would give up living in houses and go sleep under a bridge before I would give up meat.

nietzsche wrote:Funny that youre blaming red meat for extra pounds. With a paleo diet you can lose weight quite rqpidly. Maybe it's the bread youre not eating now that you dont have burgers.

But everybody is different. I can lose a lot of weight quite rapidly if i stop eating anything starchy.

It has always seem weird to me how people complain about the price of food. Id rather go without a cellphone, cable or wathver than start to pay attention to the price of delicious food. I dont go to fancy restaurants or anything but i always buy the best food i have access to.

Actually, I noticed that I often got heartburn at night and acid reflux from eating bread. So, I quit eating gluten bread and either substituted with corn tortillas or the gluten free breads (there are some good ones out there). My acid reflux has almost all vanished. If I overeat stuff (usually pizza or fried foods) or over drink (not usually beer, but harder alcohols or really sugary drinks) I will most likely expect a reflux attack; however, it isn't a nightly occurrence anymore. It's more like once a month or longer.

So, I don't entirely attribute my weight loss on the reduction of read meat, and I believe you are correct in your "bread" assumption (in addition to increased amounts of exercise); but I can say that I do feel better. My opinion is that the Paleo Diet is a farce promoted by the beef industry, as well as the Atkins Plan. There are many vegetarian bodybuilders that don't touch meat at all.

Phatscotty wrote:

DaGip wrote:
I could care less if someone is vegan, vegetarian, or carnivorous.

That right there means you are indeed not a vegetarian

Thank GOD!

Buy a freezer than buy a whole or half cow with friends. I think the last one we did I got everything at $6 a pound...any cut....steaks, briscits, ground beef, ect.

The meat was organic and grass fed. I also buy meat from a local farmer when We want specific cuts. His is grass fed as well. We haven't bought anything but grass fed in about 8 years. I like the taste so much better.

We pick up buffAlo meat every now and then as well...some tasty stuff

My sister raises and regularly slaughters cattle....we get excellent beef at less than $3 / pound. Get kobe ground beef at $2.00 / pound and beautiful skinless boneless chicky breasts at $1.60 / pound thru my bride's work.

Deals are out there, you just need to buy in bulk and have a good freezer (chicky comes in 40 lb lots and kobe in 50). Our gardens coming in....gonna have over 100 lbs of romas for canning again.....love it ;o)

*decides what MEAT to prepare for dinner....mmmmmmm, meat.....*

nietzsche enjoys my meat. It's nutritious and delicious.

KoolBak wrote:My sister raises and regularly slaughters cattle....we get excellent beef at less than $3 / pound. Get kobe ground beef at $2.00 / pound and beautiful skinless boneless chicky breasts at $1.60 / pound thru my bride's work.

Deals are out there, you just need to buy in bulk and have a good freezer (chicky comes in 40 lb lots and kobe in 50). Our gardens coming in....gonna have over 100 lbs of romas for canning again.....love it ;o)

*decides what MEAT to prepare for dinner....mmmmmmm, meat.....*

I'm not that lucky to have a cattle farmer as a family member or friend, but it's not entirely about the prices. I am trying to reverse any cardiovascular damage that I might have done to my heart over the years. When I see the the coagulated beef and pork fat sitting in a cooled off frying pan or a piece of tupperware that meat was stored with in the fridge, I just can't help but think that that same coagulated junk is working it's way through my veins and arteries. It's not such a big problem within the larger sectors, but in those parts of the heart where the arteries are smaller it becomes a problem. The saturated fats that come with LDL cholesterol have been damaging my heart for years, and when I was younger I would agree with the whole lot of you. But now that I am aging, I have to change my diet, and to make sure I help my heart--I want to eliminate as much saturated fats from my diet as possible. Yes, I could still go for the leaner cuts of beef and pork, but those are not entirely free of saturated fats. The best way to make sure you are reversing heart disease is to change your diet to mostly vegetables and eat mostly fish and occasionally poultry (of course moderate exercise...depending on the health of your heart). I am not a doctor, but I am only repeating what I have been told.

When you mentioned growing and canning Roma tomatoes and then you mentioned making MEAT for dinner, it reminded me of this video:



I know this guy loves his meat! I don't want to end up like him! It isn't that I don't like meat...I love MEAT! But it's my health decision to change my diet so I can live beyond the age of 50!

nietzsche wrote:It has always seem weird to me how people complain about the price of food. I'd rather go without a cellphone, cable or whatever...

I don't have a cell phone or cable, but do enjoy eating out occasionally
and always make it worth my time when I do.

IF additional pounds are putting a ring around your middle,
cutting down on sugars is a good place to start.

KoolBak wrote:My sister raises and regularly slaughters cattle....we get excellent beef at less than $3 / pound. Get kobe ground beef at $2.00 / pound and beautiful skinless boneless chicky breasts at $1.60 / pound thru my bride's work.

Deals are out there, you just need to buy in bulk and have a good freezer (chicky comes in 40 lb lots and kobe in 50). Our gardens coming in....gonna have over 100 lbs of romas for canning again.....love it ;o)

*decides what MEAT to prepare for dinner....mmmmmmm, meat.....*

I used to get Kobe beef, shizz was so good I even put it in my Kraft macaroni n cheese

Phatscotty wrote:

KoolBak wrote:My sister raises and regularly slaughters cattle....we get excellent beef at less than $3 / pound. Get kobe ground beef at $2.00 / pound and beautiful skinless boneless chicky breasts at $1.60 / pound thru my bride's work.

Deals are out there, you just need to buy in bulk and have a good freezer (chicky comes in 40 lb lots and kobe in 50). Our gardens coming in....gonna have over 100 lbs of romas for canning again.....love it ;o)

*decides what MEAT to prepare for dinner....mmmmmmm, meat.....*

I used to get Kobe beef, shizz was so good I even put it in my Kraft macaroni n cheese

Kobe Mac...that's the shizz!

Phatscotty wrote:I used to get Kobe beef, shizz was so good I even put it in my Kraft macaroni n cheese

I just don't know what to say. (I mean if you are going to the trouble of getting beef, why not make your own mac and cheese?)

There is a place about fifteen minutes from where I work that has a lobster mac and cheese. Now that's good!