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Ferguson Issue

PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 1:21 pm
by BigBallinStalin
The most basic problem is that we will never know for certain what happened. Why? Because the Ferguson cruiser did not have a camera recording the incident. That's simply not credible. "Law" "enforcement" in Ferguson apparently has at its disposal tear gas, riot gear, armored vehicles and machine guns ...but not a dashcam. That's ridiculous. I remember a few years ago when my one-man police department in New Hampshire purchased a camera for its cruiser. It's about as cheap and basic a police expense as there is.

Last year, my meek mild-mannered mumsy office manager was pulled over by an angry small-town cop in breach of her Fourth Amendment rights. The state lost in court because the officer's artful narrative and the usual faked-up-after-the-fact incident report did not match the dashcam footage. Three years ago, I was pulled over by an unmarked vehicle in Vermont and (to put it mildly) erroneously ticketed. In court, I was withering about the department's policy of no dashcams for unmarked cars, and traffic cops driving around pretending to be James Bond but without the super-secret spy camera. The judge loathed me (as judges tend to), but I won that case. In 2014, when a police cruiser doesn't have a camera, it's a conscious choice. And it should be regarded as such.

http://www.steynonline.com/6524/cigars-but-not-close


In other words, given the bureaucratic incentives at play, it's more likely that the cop murdered the kid--as opposed to having good reason to kill him in self-defense.

Re: Ferguson Issue

PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 4:17 pm
by DaGip
The kid stole some cigars, he deserved to be executed in the streets.

Re: Ferguson Issue

PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:45 pm
by notyou2
DaGip wrote:The kid stole some cigars, he deserved to be executed in the streets.


Cuban cigars?

Re: Ferguson Issue

PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:22 am
by rdsrds2120
DaGip wrote:The kid stole some cigars, he deserved to be executed in the streets.


dafuq he thinkin'

--Gomez

Re: Ferguson Issue

PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:17 am
by Woodruff
On-person police cameras would have resolved this issue already.

Re: Ferguson Issue

PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:37 am
by GoranZ
How would American media cover Ferguson if it happened in another country like Russia or China :)

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/15/6005587/fe ... ssia-china

Re: Ferguson Issue

PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:53 am
by BigBallinStalin
Woodruff wrote:On-person police cameras would have resolved this issue already.


They would--assuming the officers can't turn them off or later delete the videos.

But this isn't how government and budgeting works. On-person cameras are much cheaper than Armored vehicles and military weapons and what not, but somehow all those weapons are bought and the on-person cameras are largely neglected. The incentive for ensuring police service that serves the public good is pretty weak compared to the incentive for maximizing budgets, increasing officer safety (v. public safety), and decreasing accountability.

Re: Ferguson Issue

PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:42 pm
by mrswdk
GoranZ wrote:How would American media cover Ferguson if it happened in another country like Russia or China :)

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/15/6005587/fe ... ssia-china


:lol: