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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:24 amPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:32 pmPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:55 pmGoranZ wrote:Usually self proclaimed democratic governments like Canadian one fails to ensure the safety of its democratic citizens... same applied to US, UK, Norway and many other.
Democratic society doesn't have mechanisms to protect its democratic citizens... and it seems it will never have. Since there is no clear line what do do with people/organizations that dont behave according to the democratic principles... For me the solution is simple, judge them by the principles they behave upon although that might not be democratic punishment.
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:24 pmDukasaur wrote:GoranZ wrote:Usually self proclaimed democratic governments like Canadian one fails to ensure the safety of its democratic citizens... same applied to US, UK, Norway and many other.
Democratic society doesn't have mechanisms to protect its democratic citizens... and it seems it will never have. Since there is no clear line what do do with people/organizations that dont behave according to the democratic principles... For me the solution is simple, judge them by the principles they behave upon although that might not be democratic punishment.
Both criminals (the one in the shooting yesterday, and the one in the attack on Monday) were shot dead. How much more do you want to punish them? If you say you want to resurrect them and give them a special beating before shooting them again, I would let you, but I don't think we have the technical ability.
Canada with 1.4 murders per 100,000 population is doing quite a bit better than authoritarian Russia, which manages 9.2 murders per 100,000 population despite giving strong powers to its police.
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:03 pmKoolBak wrote:I am amazed this has not been posted here yet....the cowardly, heinous, criminal acts against honor guards and citizens.....disgusting.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/canadian-so ... -memorial/
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:55 pmPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:18 pmWhat? What kind of rational is this? The gunmen are dead. Little late to go punish someone that most likely had nothing to do with it and is completely innocent.GoranZ wrote:Dukasaur wrote:GoranZ wrote:Usually self proclaimed democratic governments like Canadian one fails to ensure the safety of its democratic citizens... same applied to US, UK, Norway and many other.
Democratic society doesn't have mechanisms to protect its democratic citizens... and it seems it will never have. Since there is no clear line what do do with people/organizations that dont behave according to the democratic principles... For me the solution is simple, judge them by the principles they behave upon although that might not be democratic punishment.
Both criminals (the one in the shooting yesterday, and the one in the attack on Monday) were shot dead. How much more do you want to punish them? If you say you want to resurrect them and give them a special beating before shooting them again, I would let you, but I don't think we have the technical ability.
Not really, I have no wishes to resurrect dead criminals(even if we have technical capabilities)... but you can punish someone that mattered to the criminal instead, maybe his family for example...
Why not Russia? It's a good example.Canada with 1.4 murders per 100,000 population is doing quite a bit better than authoritarian Russia, which manages 9.2 murders per 100,000 population despite giving strong powers to its police.
Why comparing with Russia... take China instead
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:38 pmCanada, At War For 13 Years, Shocked That ‘A Terrorist’ Attacked Its Soldiers
It is always stunning when a country that has brought violence and military force to numerous countries acts shocked and bewildered when someone brings a tiny fraction of that violence back to that country. Regardless of one’s views on the justifiability of Canada’s lengthy military actions, it’s not the slightest bit surprising or difficult to understand why people who identify with those on the other end of Canadian bombs and bullets would decide to attack the military responsible for that violence.
That’s the nature of war. A country doesn’t get to run around for years wallowing in war glory, invading, rendering and bombing others, without the risk of having violence brought back to it.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014 ... -soldiers/
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:19 pmPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:20 ammuy_thaiguy wrote:What? What kind of rational is this? The gunmen are dead. Little late to go punish someone that most likely had nothing to do with it and is completely innocent.GoranZ wrote:Dukasaur wrote:GoranZ wrote:Usually self proclaimed democratic governments like Canadian one fails to ensure the safety of its democratic citizens... same applied to US, UK, Norway and many other.
Democratic society doesn't have mechanisms to protect its democratic citizens... and it seems it will never have. Since there is no clear line what do do with people/organizations that dont behave according to the democratic principles... For me the solution is simple, judge them by the principles they behave upon although that might not be democratic punishment.
Both criminals (the one in the shooting yesterday, and the one in the attack on Monday) were shot dead. How much more do you want to punish them? If you say you want to resurrect them and give them a special beating before shooting them again, I would let you, but I don't think we have the technical ability.
Not really, I have no wishes to resurrect dead criminals(even if we have technical capabilities)... but you can punish someone that mattered to the criminal instead, maybe his family for example...
muy_thaiguy wrote:Why not Russia? It's a good example.Canada with 1.4 murders per 100,000 population is doing quite a bit better than authoritarian Russia, which manages 9.2 murders per 100,000 population despite giving strong powers to its police.
Why comparing with Russia... take China instead
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:10 pmGoranZ wrote:So you will send a message to the next one that will think about something similar... But I dont expect someone like you to understand that.
In other words US should have wipe out whole Osama family for the crimes that one of its members did. That would have been fair response that would had 99.9% success in elimination of the threat of ISIS now.
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:40 pmpatches70 wrote:GoranZ wrote:So you will send a message to the next one that will think about something similar... But I dont expect someone like you to understand that.
In other words US should have wipe out whole Osama family for the crimes that one of its members did. That would have been fair response that would had 99.9% success in elimination of the threat of ISIS now.
Dude, it's not like this sort of thing hasn't been tried before and it doesn't work out as well as you seem to think. The most recent I suppose being the Nazis and things didn't work out so well for them, did it?
Naw, such brutal tactics don't serve one in the long run, it only solidifies opposition and toughens resolve against regimes who engage in such tactics.
The bold in your quote is not a fair response and the underlined is pure speculation.
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:05 pmGoranZ wrote:patches70 wrote:GoranZ wrote:So you will send a message to the next one that will think about something similar... But I dont expect someone like you to understand that.
In other words US should have wipe out whole Osama family for the crimes that one of its members did. That would have been fair response that would had 99.9% success in elimination of the threat of ISIS now.
Dude, it's not like this sort of thing hasn't been tried before and it doesn't work out as well as you seem to think. The most recent I suppose being the Nazis and things didn't work out so well for them, did it?
Naw, such brutal tactics don't serve one in the long run, it only solidifies opposition and toughens resolve against regimes who engage in such tactics.
The bold in your quote is not a fair response and the underlined is pure speculation.
Soviet 'How-to' Lesson For Muslim Extremists
http://articles.philly.com/1986-01-15/n ... ganization
Enjoy reading the article... its interesting, and it works
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:35 pmbetiko wrote:GoranZ wrote:patches70 wrote:GoranZ wrote:So you will send a message to the next one that will think about something similar... But I dont expect someone like you to understand that.
In other words US should have wipe out whole Osama family for the crimes that one of its members did. That would have been fair response that would had 99.9% success in elimination of the threat of ISIS now.
Dude, it's not like this sort of thing hasn't been tried before and it doesn't work out as well as you seem to think. The most recent I suppose being the Nazis and things didn't work out so well for them, did it?
Naw, such brutal tactics don't serve one in the long run, it only solidifies opposition and toughens resolve against regimes who engage in such tactics.
The bold in your quote is not a fair response and the underlined is pure speculation.
Soviet 'How-to' Lesson For Muslim Extremists
http://articles.philly.com/1986-01-15/n ... ganization
Enjoy reading the article... its interesting, and it works
I'm not sure killing and castrating innocents is a good way to fight back bad guys. in the long run it will probably escalate. dumb.
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:38 pmWhen Osama was taken down, I think I remember his sons/male family members there were taken out with him. But it really didn't stop anything as other members of Al Queda just used his killing as fuel to continue their fight. And going after innocents would only incite more people to come into the fray. It would be like a friend of yours shot a person in broad daylight, and the police would then come to your house and blow your brains out. That is what you are advocating. It's stupid and pointless. All it does is incite other people to violence and it just escalates.GoranZ wrote:muy_thaiguy wrote:What? What kind of rational is this? The gunmen are dead. Little late to go punish someone that most likely had nothing to do with it and is completely innocent.GoranZ wrote:Dukasaur wrote:GoranZ wrote:Usually self proclaimed democratic governments like Canadian one fails to ensure the safety of its democratic citizens... same applied to US, UK, Norway and many other.
Democratic society doesn't have mechanisms to protect its democratic citizens... and it seems it will never have. Since there is no clear line what do do with people/organizations that dont behave according to the democratic principles... For me the solution is simple, judge them by the principles they behave upon although that might not be democratic punishment.
Both criminals (the one in the shooting yesterday, and the one in the attack on Monday) were shot dead. How much more do you want to punish them? If you say you want to resurrect them and give them a special beating before shooting them again, I would let you, but I don't think we have the technical ability.
Not really, I have no wishes to resurrect dead criminals(even if we have technical capabilities)... but you can punish someone that mattered to the criminal instead, maybe his family for example...
So you will send a message to the next one that will think about something similar... But I dont expect someone like you to understand that.
In other words US should have wipe out whole Osama family for the crimes that one of its members did. That would have been fair response that would had 99.9% success in elimination of the threat of ISIS now.
It still doesn't invalidate the choice though.muy_thaiguy wrote:Why not Russia? It's a good example.Canada with 1.4 murders per 100,000 population is doing quite a bit better than authoritarian Russia, which manages 9.2 murders per 100,000 population despite giving strong powers to its police.
Why comparing with Russia... take China instead
Because China outperforms Canada in murders per capita, unless you suddenly change you mind and consider China as democratic country.
And Russia outperforms US by incarcerated population per capita. So any way you turn if you take US as example for democratic country you will end up proving that it is not.
I guess some things are getting trendy now...
http://pamelageller.com/2014/10/terror- ... dead.html/
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:48 pmGoranZ wrote:muy_thaiguy wrote:What? What kind of rational is this? The gunmen are dead. Little late to go punish someone that most likely had nothing to do with it and is completely innocent.GoranZ wrote:Dukasaur wrote:GoranZ wrote:Usually self proclaimed democratic governments like Canadian one fails to ensure the safety of its democratic citizens... same applied to US, UK, Norway and many other.
Democratic society doesn't have mechanisms to protect its democratic citizens... and it seems it will never have. Since there is no clear line what do do with people/organizations that dont behave according to the democratic principles... For me the solution is simple, judge them by the principles they behave upon although that might not be democratic punishment.
Both criminals (the one in the shooting yesterday, and the one in the attack on Monday) were shot dead. How much more do you want to punish them? If you say you want to resurrect them and give them a special beating before shooting them again, I would let you, but I don't think we have the technical ability.
Not really, I have no wishes to resurrect dead criminals(even if we have technical capabilities)... but you can punish someone that mattered to the criminal instead, maybe his family for example...
So you will send a message to the next one that will think about something similar... But I dont expect someone like you to understand that.
In other words US should have wipe out whole Osama family for the crimes that one of its members did. That would have been fair response that would had 99.9% success in elimination of the threat of ISIS now.
Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:33 ambetiko wrote:I'm not sure killing and castrating innocents is a good way to fight back bad guys. in the long run it will probably escalate. dumb.
AndyDufresne wrote:Betiko, you should learn to only turn to defunct nations for tactical, strategic, or diplomatic solutions. While, just yesterday I was reviewing the military strategy of Federal Republic of Central America, which existed from 1821 to 1841.
--Andy
muy_thaiguy wrote:When Osama was taken down, I think I remember his sons/male family members there were taken out with him. But it really didn't stop anything as other members of Al Queda just used his killing as fuel to continue their fight. And going after innocents would only incite more people to come into the fray. It would be like a friend of yours shot a person in broad daylight, and the police would then come to your house and blow your brains out. That is what you are advocating. It's stupid and pointless. All it does is incite other people to violence and it just escalates.GoranZ wrote:muy_thaiguy wrote:What? What kind of rational is this? The gunmen are dead. Little late to go punish someone that most likely had nothing to do with it and is completely innocent.GoranZ wrote:Dukasaur wrote:GoranZ wrote:Usually self proclaimed democratic governments like Canadian one fails to ensure the safety of its democratic citizens... same applied to US, UK, Norway and many other.
Democratic society doesn't have mechanisms to protect its democratic citizens... and it seems it will never have. Since there is no clear line what do do with people/organizations that dont behave according to the democratic principles... For me the solution is simple, judge them by the principles they behave upon although that might not be democratic punishment.
Both criminals (the one in the shooting yesterday, and the one in the attack on Monday) were shot dead. How much more do you want to punish them? If you say you want to resurrect them and give them a special beating before shooting them again, I would let you, but I don't think we have the technical ability.
Not really, I have no wishes to resurrect dead criminals(even if we have technical capabilities)... but you can punish someone that mattered to the criminal instead, maybe his family for example...
So you will send a message to the next one that will think about something similar... But I dont expect someone like you to understand that.
In other words US should have wipe out whole Osama family for the crimes that one of its members did. That would have been fair response that would had 99.9% success in elimination of the threat of ISIS now.
you must be a total idiot.DoomYoshi wrote:The Romanovs were all killed, and yet here you are spouting off Imperialistic Russian hogwash; supporting a Putin who set up an emulated serf system.
Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 1:01 amYeah, then how come none of the countries that used to be in the USSR want anything more to do with Russia? And are getting pissed about Putin violating their air spaces, which are among the smallest of things thus far.GoranZ wrote:betiko wrote:I'm not sure killing and castrating innocents is a good way to fight back bad guys. in the long run it will probably escalate. dumb.
It worked for the Soviets, and it didn't escalate as you predict... it deescalate
And you are going off topic with your first part. For the second, that's as far as it should go. Iron-ruling dictators only bring suffering with such policies. To attack innocent people for something they had nothing to do with is stupid and only breeds hate and contempt of the people that are supposed to be the public view of law and order.And American way deescalate the situation and killed less innocent men?
And what was done with Osama wasn't not as near to what I said.
He's saying, that despite the murder of the entire Russian Imperial Family, Russian Imperialism is still alive and well. Meaning, just because you kill what are supposed to be the figures of the policies you hate, does not mean those policies are gone, they just have a different face on them. Back then, it was Joseph Stalin. Now, it's Vladamir Putin. And before Stalin, it was, get this, the Romanov Imperial Family. Different faces, different names, but everything else is the same. Just under the guise of the Soviet Union and supposedly for the common man. But, not.DoomYoshi wrote:The Romanovs were all killed, and yet here you are spouting off Imperialistic Russian hogwash; supporting a Putin who set up an emulated serf system.
What does Romanovs had with Muslim extremists? Nothing I guess, so what you are doing is mixing power struggle and anti terrorism fighting in order to achieve your goals, but you only portrait your self as blood thirsty capitalist.
Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:27 ammuy_thaiguy wrote:Yeah, then how come none of the countries that used to be in the USSR want anything more to do with Russia? And are getting pissed about Putin violating their air spaces, which are among the smallest of things thus far.GoranZ wrote:betiko wrote:I'm not sure killing and castrating innocents is a good way to fight back bad guys. in the long run it will probably escalate. dumb.
It worked for the Soviets, and it didn't escalate as you predict... it deescalate
muy_thaiguy wrote:He's saying, that despite the murder of the entire Russian Imperial Family, Russian Imperialism is still alive and well. Meaning, just because you kill what are supposed to be the figures of the policies you hate, does not mean those policies are gone, they just have a different face on them. Back then, it was Joseph Stalin. Now, it's Vladamir Putin. And before Stalin, it was, get this, the Romanov Imperial Family. Different faces, different names, but everything else is the same. Just under the guise of the Soviet Union and supposedly for the common man. But, not.DoomYoshi wrote:The Romanovs were all killed, and yet here you are spouting off Imperialistic Russian hogwash; supporting a Putin who set up an emulated serf system.
What does Romanovs had with Muslim extremists? Nothing I guess, so what you are doing is mixing power struggle and anti terrorism fighting in order to achieve your goals, but you only portrait your self as blood thirsty capitalist.
Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:13 amI'd just like to remind everyone that the murderous actions of a single Muslim terrorist do not represent true Islam. Even though the shooter who took the lives of numerous innocent Canadians was devoutly religious and loudly proclaimed his actions were in the name of Allah, really his actions were not. They could not be, because Islam is a religion of peace. Islam is a beautiful religion and a contribution to the entire world. We will condemn the actions of this man, but we will not condemn the entire religion of Islam. Oh and by all means and please do, continue judging all of Christianity by the radical images and hateful messages you have seen 6 members of Westboro Baptist Church say and display. They may not have blown any random innocent people up or shot a bunch of civilians yet or hijacked any planes and killed thousands of innocent people yet, but it's just a matter of time before they say something hateful again, and that's why radical Christian groups remain a high priority on our domestic terrorism watch list.
Thank you, and God Bless!
Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:13 amPhatscotty wrote:Offical statement by President Phats to the worldI'd just like to remind everyone that the murderous actions of a single Muslim terrorist do not represent true Islam. Even though the shooter who took the lives of numerous innocent Canadians was devoutly religious and loudly proclaimed his actions were in the name of Allah, really his actions were not. They could not be, because Islam is a religion of peace. Islam is a beautiful religion and a contribution to the entire world. We will condemn the actions of this man, but we will not condemn the entire religion of Islam. Oh and by all means and please do, continue judging all of Christianity by the radical images and hateful messages you have seen 6 members of Westboro Baptist Church say and display. They may not have blown any random innocent people up or shot a bunch of civilians yet or hijacked any planes and killed thousands of innocent people yet, but it's just a matter of time before they say something hateful again, and that's why radical Christian groups remain a high priority on our domestic terrorism watch list.
Thank you, and God Bless!
because Islam is a religion of peace
Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:41 amGoranZ wrote:Usually self proclaimed democratic governments like Canadian one fails to ensure the safety of its democratic citizens... same applied to US, UK, Norway and many other.
Democratic society doesn't have mechanisms to protect its democratic citizens... and it seems it will never have. Since there is no clear line what do do with people/organizations that dont behave according to the democratic principles... For me the solution is simple, judge them by the principles they behave upon although that might not be democratic punishment.
Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:10 pmPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:44 pmnotyou2 wrote:GoranZ wrote:Usually self proclaimed democratic governments like Canadian one fails to ensure the safety of its democratic citizens... same applied to US, UK, Norway and many other.
Democratic society doesn't have mechanisms to protect its democratic citizens... and it seems it will never have. Since there is no clear line what do do with people/organizations that dont behave according to the democratic principles... For me the solution is simple, judge them by the principles they behave upon although that might not be democratic punishment.
If we try to protect ourselves and live in a bubble, then the terrorists have won.
notyou2 wrote:We will live our lives naturally and normally and in a free democratic system and we will persevere. They can't kill all of us.
AndyDufresne wrote:What Goranz is trying to say, PUTIN IS COMIN' FOR YA, DEMOCRATIC NATIONS! SHIRTLESS AND ALLLLLL!
--Andy
Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:03 pm