Conquer Club

jesus fucking christ, it's getting really annoying how every body in the god damn world is claiming they've been raped.

don't get me wrong, I am sympathetic to those who were forcibly raped, against their will or if they were underage when it happened (statutory rape doesn't count, sorry).


but jesus fucking christ, what the f*ck is happening in society? Here's an article that explains how Shia Lebeouf was "raped"

Last week actor Shia LaBeouf alleged that he was raped by a female visitor to his Los Angeles art installation #IAMSORRY in February. The performance art project had LaBeouf sitting in a room wearing a paper bag over his head, inviting participants to interact with him while he remained silent.

In an interview with Dazed magazine, he described how an unnamed woman at the installation “whipped my legs for ten minutes and then stripped my clothing and proceeded to rape me.”

at first I thought this was a joke, but there are people who are legitimately defending this idiocy

Dont you think the shock would prevent him from moveing? You could just as easily say women can just walk away but you wont.

I know there's an over arching problem with Shia Lebeouf speficially (massive mental health issues) but jesus fucking christ, he was in shock? f*ck off

Last week actor Shia LaBeouf alleged that he was raped

Does anyone have a location on PhatScotty?

The thing about rape is that it is very haird to prove (minus if the person lost their virginity to it), but even then it only proves that intercourse happened from a strictly physiological standpoint. There are shorter term ways to prove it, for example defense marks from scratching or hitting as a person resists. However these disappear after periods of time because of showers and other natural processes. The psychological effects are harder to fake, and remain consistent over a longer period of time ie. Issues with touch from opposite sex, adults, or class of person the victim was violated by, but these cannot be relied on alone. Also many victims either do not come out with the information until it is practically impossible to prove because of fear of the person who raped them. From an objective point of view "Rape" is very easy to claim, but not easy to prove.

I opened my training centre in March and by April we needed more teachers. A friend of mine who worked for a major training centre with over 300 branches said he knew a good candidate and she was looking for a job right away. On May 1, a holiday in China, she came for an interview.

She didn't mind the 6 12-hour days and the 1 6-hour day she worked a week, or that her salary was RMB1500 a month, minimum wage, or that she was required to spend most of her salary on company housing with up to six women per room, or that she was required to go to the gym three nights a week after her twelve hour shift. She wanted a new job because the owner of the company, a well-known billionaire had said he was planning on making some time for her. His stable was bigger than Hefners. Most of his harem were content with their gifts and status, but not all. He didn't care if they accepted his advances.

This is what she told me at the interview, and I had heard the rumours. So I offered her RMB3500, free housing as I offered all my Chinese staff, and offered to buy her out of her old contract. She agreed, but said she wanted to finish out her classes and would start in a few weeks.

I got a text two days later, at around midnight saying she would be there the next day. I arranged for a pick up point, but she missed the time. I got a message saying she was at the police station reporting her rape.

When she returned to work after the interview, she gave them notice, hoping to be a responsible adult, but knowing full well that she wouldn't be getting paid for her time anyways. They informed him and he told her that he didn't want her to be present at the company during her remaining time. He gave her a maids uniform to put on and took her to an apartment that he kept to get her to clean it, he said.

When they got there, he started threatening her. He said he would mess with her family, that he'd screw up her career, threatened to have her disappeared. He called a guy and said get ready and wait for my call.

He told her he wanted her to promise she wouldn't leave the company. So she did. But he said he needed assurances; he wanted to take photos of her naked that he'd be able to publish if she left. She let him do it. Then he raped her.

Here is a powerful guy and some suspect that he may have had women disappeared. It came out during his trial that an earlier victim had contacted police, who he then bribed and they made her life miserable and she gave up on charging him. I had to testify at the case.

She needed to be brave and to persevere, but the charge was based on evidence and he was found guilty and sentenced to I think 4 years. He had initially gone on the run and shaved his famous beard.

On the flip side I knew a kid who invited a girl out to hang with his older buddies. The girl and guy were both 17, his friends were late teens to young twenties. They got drunk and went to a hotel room. They played with the girl a bit and she let them. After, the girl started calling the kid almost daily, asking when they were going to hang out again. He told her he'd get in touch when his friends wanted to see her, but he never invited her out again. After six months of this, she reported that she was raped by them to the police.

The five guys all got between 4.5 to 7 years. There was no evidence except her word.

I don't understand how the billionaire rapist who bribes police and presumably has good connections suddenly got taken down by a rape claim from a nobody. Where was this - Shenzhen?

Where was the last story - also Shenzhen?

First story is Shenzhen.

http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/stories/ ... -rape.html

Second was in Macau.

I got my godmother to contact one of the most well-known lawyers for women's issues and my wife got several reporters involved.

You got involved with the first one?

I was involved. I had to testify that I had offered her a job. Other than that, I made a phone call helping her get a lawyer and gave her time off when she needed it.

His original defence was that: the boss of a Dongguan training centre was setting him up. But he didn't have any training centres in Dongguan, so he changed it to: it was consensual and now she was after money.

My wife got much more involved. She arranged the interview from the link and several others.

I just meant because I wasn't sure which of those two girls you'd helped. Kewl.

Is there anything sabotage can't do? In one topic, he's confronting police brutality, in another, standing up for women's right. What will come next?


--Andy

I agree with the OP and DY's article was spot on.

I wasn't defending "women's rights", I was merely deciding whether I should still keep my word to a now tainted employee. If I hadn't called my godmother to get the girl a lawyer, my godmother would have stuck several inches of women's rights up my ass.

TBH, I didn't think he'd get in any trouble. But soon it was reported that he was on the run, and a few weeks later they were showing his beardless face captured. I still didn't think he'd get in trouble, but he was behind bars and awaiting trial. University buildings took his name off them.

People were worried that something bad might happen to her before trial. He was blaming a Dongguan training centre, so he knew where she was.

He was endowing universities and he'd get his pick of their crop. He'd hire thousands of girls straight out of school. They'd work for him for a year and basically break even, but they all thought that they were getting useful work experience, they were getting 78 hours a week of it. He'd personally select those that work at headquarters. It was systematic, in some cases consensual, but overall pretty nasty.

The girl was brave and she stopped this, and sent a message to other girls like herself and other pricks like him and in a way it was groundbreaking for Shenzhen. I always thought she'd gotten cash out of it, but my wife told me she never did. She wanted people to know he was guilty and thought going for money would make people question his guilt. He had to pay her legal fees and transport.

She was a couple hours late arriving to Dongguan with no contact and then the message:

I am at the police station reporting a rape.

And then a few hours later:

Do I still have a job?

That's all pretty intense, mate.

_sabotage_ wrote:I agree with the OP and DY's article was spot on.

I wasn't defending "women's rights", I was merely deciding whether I should still keep my word to a now tainted employee. If I hadn't called my godmother to get the girl a lawyer, my godmother would have stuck several inches of women's rights up my ass.

TBH, I didn't think he'd get in any trouble. But soon it was reported that he was on the run, and a few weeks later they were showing his beardless face captured. I still didn't think he'd get in trouble, but he was behind bars and awaiting trial. University buildings took his name off them.

People were worried that something bad might happen to her before trial. He was blaming a Dongguan training centre, so he knew where she was.

He was endowing universities and he'd get his pick of their crop. He'd hire thousands of girls straight out of school. They'd work for him for a year and basically break even, but they all thought that they were getting useful work experience, they were getting 78 hours a week of it. He'd personally select those that work at headquarters. It was systematic, in some cases consensual, but overall pretty nasty.

The girl was brave and she stopped this, and sent a message to other girls like herself and other pricks like him and in a way it was groundbreaking for Shenzhen. I always thought she'd gotten cash out of it, but my wife told me she never did. She wanted people to know he was guilty and thought going for money would make people question his guilt. He had to pay her legal fees and transport.

She was a couple hours late arriving to Dongguan with no contact and then the message:

I am at the police station reporting a rape.

And then a few hours later:

Do I still have a job?

If true (and it sounds true), you did well.

rishaed wrote:The thing about rape is that it is very haird to prove (minus if the person lost their virginity to it), but even then it only proves that intercourse happened from a strictly physiological standpoint. There are shorter term ways to prove it, for example defense marks from scratching or hitting as a person resists. However these disappear after periods of time because of showers and other natural processes. The psychological effects are harder to fake, and remain consistent over a longer period of time ie. Issues with touch from opposite sex, adults, or class of person the victim was violated by, but these cannot be relied on alone. Also many victims either do not come out with the information until it is practically impossible to prove because of fear of the person who raped them. From an objective point of view "Rape" is very easy to claim, but not easy to prove.

There is MUCH more to proving rape than this. Still, at some point, it does come down to one person versus another, with perhaps some evidence... much like a lot of crimes.

PLAYER57832 wrote:

rishaed wrote:The thing about rape is that it is very haird to prove (minus if the person lost their virginity to it), but even then it only proves that intercourse happened from a strictly physiological standpoint. There are shorter term ways to prove it, for example defense marks from scratching or hitting as a person resists. However these disappear after periods of time because of showers and other natural processes. The psychological effects are harder to fake, and remain consistent over a longer period of time ie. Issues with touch from opposite sex, adults, or class of person the victim was violated by, but these cannot be relied on alone. Also many victims either do not come out with the information until it is practically impossible to prove because of fear of the person who raped them. From an objective point of view "Rape" is very easy to claim, but not easy to prove.

There is MUCH more to proving rape than this. Still, at some point, it does come down to one person versus another, with perhaps some evidence... much like a lot of crimes.

not particularly. I guess maybe it's person vs. person if you're trying to tell WHO committed a crime but if a store was robbed there is no doubt a crime was committed.

in terms of a rape case, there's so much ambiguity. a girl could be completely willing at the moment of sex but regret it later that week and claim she was raped.