Conquer Club

Talking about ways to die that involve just heading out for a nice outing one day in the wilderness/woods/hiking. Vote for your top ten.

Some notes-

Eaten alive, as in something like anaconda gets ya, or some large predator or group of predators.

Death by long fall assumes you survive your initial landing but are really, really fucked up badly from the fall, like you bouncing off boulders on your way down and have multiple broken limbs/internal bleeding and such.

There can only be 20 options in the poll, so if you can think of worse ways to die in the wilderness then by all means, post them. Exclude things like getting shot by assholes, or planes falling on your or being murdered by another person. Mother nature is a cruel enough mistress without throwing people and man made things into the mix.

I'm not afraid of death, but I'm very much afraid of helpless agony.

It's has always been my fantasy to have a suicide pill located somehow in my mouth, that in the case of imminent suffering, I'd just bite it somehow and die. Like in spy movies.

It has always been of my interest too the ego/consciousness stages one would go through while experiencing agony or imminent death. At some point I think one gives up and certain chemicals makes one stop feeling the pain.

It's also interesting the surrender of animals when they have become the prey and the predator is just about the eat them. Like you see on nature documentaries. The calm of the surrender seems as if the biggest pain we (human) would face in a similar situation is a psychological pain, or a psychologically enhanced pain.

Which is also relevant in the animal cruelty issue we were debating in the other thread, they can feel the pain because they have pain receptors (some), but, do they face some level of ego death like we do? Take for example chronic pain in humans, at some point we sort of learn to live with it, and only remember how great is to live without it when it goes away.

This is all very interesting to me. Except the treatment OP wants to give to the subject. I hate OP because he contradicted me.

I've done 1 through 4, 8 and 12. Number 1 was by FAR my favorite.

nietzsche wrote:

It's has always been my fantasy to have a suicide pill located somehow in my mouth, that in the case of imminent suffering, I'd just bite it somehow and die. Like in spy movies.

Seriously?

nietzsche wrote:It has always been of my interest too the ego/consciousness stages one would go through while experiencing agony or imminent death. At some point I think one gives up and certain chemicals makes one stop feeling the pain.

I think in a lot of situations the brain releases a shitload of dopamine or some such and block pain receptors to alleviate the pain and horror of dying. Some even say the brain releases DMT right before death and is claimed to ease the transition. I don't know if that's true or not.

nietzsche wrote:It's also interesting the surrender of animals when they have become the prey and the predator is just about the eat them. Like you see on nature documentaries. The calm of the surrender seems as if the biggest pain we (human) would face in a similar situation is a psychological pain, or a psychologically enhanced pain.

Oh, people do the same. We surrender as well there at the end. It's funny, I was listening to the radio and the host had some sort of new age kind of guy talking about near death experiences. The guy was saying that dying is embracing "love" or some such. As in there is some sort of higher power, God or whatever you want to call it and that this power was pure love. We experience this true love when we die.
I had to ask myself if the guy might just be mistaken. He seemed sure of himself. But "love" kind of has different meanings to people. I wondered if a person who is just about to die, at that point when his/her body and mind have done everything possible to survive, that this love the guy was talking about is just that feeling of complete surrender.
I would think that when a person gives up the ghost, surrenders completely that it would be a great sense of relief. And that this feeling could easily be mistaken for "unconditional love" or just pure peace. After all, some might argue that love is simply surrender.

But, meh, I suppose we'll all find out in our own due time.

nietzsche wrote:Which is also relevant in the animal cruelty issue we were debating in the other thread, they can feel the pain because they have pain receptors (some), but, do they face some level of ego death like we do?

How do we take it? This ego death you refer? I don't know about you but I can't feel what you feel, or understand like you understand. One can only know themself, truly. I would think people experience things in their own way that maybe isn't anything like how another person experience the same thing.
No one sees the same tree after all.

nietzsche wrote: Take for example chronic pain in humans, at some point we sort of learn to live with it, and only remember how great is to live without it when it goes away.

Animals have no fear of death, they don't know what that is. But they do know what pain is. You know, it's a lot like-

nietzsche wrote:I'm not afraid of death, but I'm very much afraid of helpless agony.

Because if you could ask any animal and that animal could answer back, it would say that exact thing.

nietzsche wrote:This is all very interesting to me. Except the treatment OP wants to give to the subject. I hate OP because he contradicted me.

Dang, sorry about that niet, I meant no disrespect.

There are claims made by lots of people about things they can't know. Like what a fish feels. We can only make guesses, and no matter how educated we think those guesses are, they are still just guesses.

As to the subject, there are millions of ways to die. I just wanted to get imagination flowing and see what things people could imagine within a set of parameter, i.e. one goes out on a nice outing when misfortune strikes unexpectedly. At any given moment could be one's last moment. That's about the only guarantee there is in life, that we are all going to die at some point in our lives. And man, there are some really horrid ways to go. I'm just trying to see what ways people think are the worst ways to die.

saxitoxin wrote:I've done 1 through 4, 8 and 12. Number 1 was by FAR my favorite.

Heh, you know, I meant to say "Top ten worst ways to die in nature". My bad. I think I'll go ahead and fix that.

Poisoning doesn't make sense. That should be changed to "being envenomated"

If I do have to die in the wilderness, an overdose of mushrooms sounds like the best option.

Most of the others are pretty awful. It was hard to pick just ten.

Oops. I read this as 'ten best ways to die', so my voting may be a little out of whack with everyone else's.

Please add 'sex with Esmerelda' to this list

Metsfanmax wrote:Please add 'sex with Esmerelda' to this list

Don't kid yourself, you'd die before you could even stick it in.







(And by "die" I meant "ejaculate.")

I guess mine would be trapped, but in a hole that's big enough for me to get into but small enough that I can't move. I get uncomfortable if I can't move my limbs/body for a few seconds, never mind hours/days there (starvation/dehydration would occur)

Army of GOD wrote:I guess mine would be trapped, but in a hole that's big enough for me to get into but small enough that I can't move.

OK, seriously, enough with the jokes about Esmerelda. Mets' was funny, this is just crossing the line.

I was thinking about making an As joke, but them I realized it wouldn't make any sense because her cunt has taken more long, hard and semen filled rods than a submarine base.

Metsfanmax wrote:Please add 'sex with Esmerelda' to this list

Apparently one can only have 20 options maximum on a poll, so this qualifies as "other". That does sound like a pretty horrible way to go though.

duka wrote:If I do have to die in the wilderness, an overdose of mushrooms sounds like the best option.

You know, in survival school they teach you how to eat lots of disgusting things in order to survive. There is one thing though that you are taught to never eat under any circumstances ever. Mushrooms. Not only are most types of mushrooms poisonous, they don't have any nutritional value at all. So it's pointless to ever eat them. So if one is starving to death, eating edible mushrooms won't save them even if they had "all you can eat" amount of edible mushrooms.

Duka wrote:Most of the others are pretty awful. It was hard to pick just ten.

Yeah, they are all pretty awful. It was my bad for not making it clear to pick the absolute worst ways to die in the wilderness that one could imagine. I wouldn't choose any one of these ways as a "best option" as I'd probably rather slit my own wrists before dying like any of those other ways.

Eating pine cones then not being able to digest them. Therefore shitting undigested cones, tearing my rectum to the point of bleeding to death. Bleeding out my ass doesn't seem nice.

Warmonger,

If you didn't stop eating the pinecones before you beheld to death, it wouldn't be the pine cones killing you.

warmonger1981 wrote:Eating pine cones then not being able to digest them. Therefore shitting undigested cones, tearing my rectum to the point of bleeding to death. Bleeding out my ass doesn't seem nice.

Yeah, that's nasty. I suppose that falls under "other".

Out in my yard we have a big pine tree. I would find pine cone cores, all the little pines were gone and it was just a sliver of the cone left, the very center of the cone. I wondered what did that. One day, I look out the window and I see squirrels holding newly felled pine cones like they were ears of corn and the squirrels were just munching away. The squirrels seem to like the newly fallen, still green pine cones the most. They don't touch the cones that have opened up. But it was kinda cool seeing them eat those cones just like we would eat some corn on the cob.

Mystery of what was eating the pine cones solved.

In certain places in the world there are trees that have enormous pine cones. I can't remember the name of the type of tree (they aren't found in NA that's for sure, some jungle type of tree), but the cones they produce weigh up to 30 pounds. And they fall from very high heights and if one were to land on your head you'd be a goner. Coconuts can kill as well if they happen to hit some poor schmuck on the brain cap. People can, and do get killed or seriously injured from such falling seed pods. Hell of a way to go, struck dead by a pine cone or coconut. At least that manner of death would probably knock you right out and you'd be out like a light before dying.


Oh, I should have added to the list! Struck by lightening! Damn, how could I have forgotten that?

You should make a full bracket -- say 32 ways.


--Andy

AndyDufresne wrote:You should make a full bracket -- say 32 ways.


--Andy

That's not a bad idea. Have 32 horrible ways to die and have each compete randomly with another until there is only one left. A short period of time for people to vote on which method is a worse way to go. Winner advances. Each match would have a short description of what a person would go through until expiring.
Take into account the physical pain, duration and the psychological trauma of not only experiencing that manner of death but also the psychological trauma another person witnessing said death would endure.
Manners of death should include everything under the sun including natural and man made manners of death. From being blown up by an artillery shell to dying slowly from hemorrhagic fever and terminal illnesses like cancer.

And in the end come up with the one manner death that no sane person would ever wish upon even their worst enemy.

Sounds like fun!

patches70 wrote:You know, in survival school they teach you how to eat lots of disgusting things in order to survive. There is one thing though that you are taught to never eat under any circumstances ever. Mushrooms. Not only are most types of mushrooms poisonous, they don't have any nutritional value at all. So it's pointless to ever eat them. So if one is starving to death, eating edible mushrooms won't save them even if they had "all you can eat" amount of edible mushrooms.

If they don't have any nutritional value, then explain this:



I think for survival purposes they definitely would help for a while. I think it would be better said that mushrooms have a low nutritional value for survival, therefor you have to look for other stuff rather than mushrooms. The good news is, if you are in an area with mushrooms; more than likely you are in an area that has water and animal life (along with other types of vegetation).

I voted to be trapped in a pit. When I was hiking a lot in Arizona (in the high desert) you had to steer clear of the cliffs. No one told me this, I learned this from experience. Lucky, the chunk of cliff that broke away on me was only a four or five foot drop to a larger secondary cliff. I could only imagine having a cliff break away and you would fall straight down into a narrow crevasse. The thought of that was scarier than actually starving to death, even though it's basically how you would die if you were trapped as such (just that there is the psychological addition of being powerless and unable to move).

Turkey tail, chicken of the woods, oyster, chanterelle, black chanterelle, morels, puffballs, lion's mane are all pretty easy to identify.

The deadly poisonous ones are also not too hard. In general, stay away from little brown mushrooms, the amanita which is either white or orange with white splotches, and white mushroom shaped ones (as opposed to the puffball).

Otzi the iceman had two polypore mushrooms on him.

DaGip wrote:I think for survival purposes they definitely would help for a while. I think it would be better said that mushrooms have a low nutritional value for survival, therefor you have to look for other stuff rather than mushrooms. The good news is, if you are in an area with mushrooms; more than likely you are in an area that has water and animal life (along with other types of vegetation).

Look at the caloric value. For a 2000 calorie diet you'd need to eat nearly 100 cups of mushrooms, per day! Anything less than 800 calories minimum per day and a person's body goes into starvation mode. Just to stave off starvation you'd need to eat nearly 40 cups of mushrooms per day.

They just don't give you enough calories. Then toss in the poison factor of mushrooms, you'd have to be pretty darn sure of yourself that you knew which mushrooms to eat and not eat. Most people don't have that knowledge. Thus, when a typical person is lost in the woods, forget eating mushrooms.

dagip wrote:I voted to be trapped in a pit. When I was hiking a lot in Arizona (in the high desert) you had to steer clear of the cliffs. No one told me this, I learned this from experience. Lucky, the chunk of cliff that broke away on me was only a four or five foot drop to a larger secondary cliff. I could only imagine having a cliff break away and you would fall straight down into a narrow crevasse. The thought of that was scarier than actually starving to death, even though it's basically how you would die if you were trapped as such (just that there is the psychological addition of being powerless and unable to move).

Yeah, that's a bad way to go.

Go on a mushroom hunt with a local guide. I have morels, chanterelles and lion's mane on my woodlot that I harvest. I have oyster, turkey tail and puffballs that I don't bother with. A couple hikes with a decent mycologist is fun.

_sabotage_ wrote:Go on a mushroom hunt with a local guide. I have morels, chanterelles and lion's mane on my woodlot that I harvest. I have oyster, turkey tail and puffballs that I don't bother with. A couple hikes with a decent mycologist is fun.

Apparently you can get a lot of money for truffles, so I've heard. I'm sure it could be lucrative and probably fun if you like digging through dirt and what not. (My kids like digging in dirt, mud and such).

In a survival situation, one should just not bother with mushrooms at all unless they are very confident of what they are doing. The tiny caloric intake doesn't justify taking the risk. One cup of mushrooms is 100g and one would need 40+ cups just to get the minimum caloric needs for a day. You would literally need to gather and consume pounds of mushrooms just to barely not starve each day.

But gathering and eating mushrooms is all fine and dandy in regular situations where one's life isn't on the line. IMO.

patches70 wrote:

nietzsche wrote:

It's has always been my fantasy to have a suicide pill located somehow in my mouth, that in the case of imminent suffering, I'd just bite it somehow and die. Like in spy movies.

Seriously?

nietzsche wrote:It has always been of my interest too the ego/consciousness stages one would go through while experiencing agony or imminent death. At some point I think one gives up and certain chemicals makes one stop feeling the pain.

I think in a lot of situations the brain releases a shitload of dopamine or some such and block pain receptors to alleviate the pain and horror of dying. Some even say the brain releases DMT right before death and is claimed to ease the transition. I don't know if that's true or not.

nietzsche wrote:It's also interesting the surrender of animals when they have become the prey and the predator is just about the eat them. Like you see on nature documentaries. The calm of the surrender seems as if the biggest pain we (human) would face in a similar situation is a psychological pain, or a psychologically enhanced pain.

Oh, people do the same. We surrender as well there at the end. It's funny, I was listening to the radio and the host had some sort of new age kind of guy talking about near death experiences. The guy was saying that dying is embracing "love" or some such. As in there is some sort of higher power, God or whatever you want to call it and that this power was pure love. We experience this true love when we die.
I had to ask myself if the guy might just be mistaken. He seemed sure of himself. But "love" kind of has different meanings to people. I wondered if a person who is just about to die, at that point when his/her body and mind have done everything possible to survive, that this love the guy was talking about is just that feeling of complete surrender.
I would think that when a person gives up the ghost, surrenders completely that it would be a great sense of relief. And that this feeling could easily be mistaken for "unconditional love" or just pure peace. After all, some might argue that love is simply surrender.

But, meh, I suppose we'll all find out in our own due time.

nietzsche wrote:Which is also relevant in the animal cruelty issue we were debating in the other thread, they can feel the pain because they have pain receptors (some), but, do they face some level of ego death like we do?

How do we take it? This ego death you refer? I don't know about you but I can't feel what you feel, or understand like you understand. One can only know themself, truly. I would think people experience things in their own way that maybe isn't anything like how another person experience the same thing.
No one sees the same tree after all.

nietzsche wrote: Take for example chronic pain in humans, at some point we sort of learn to live with it, and only remember how great is to live without it when it goes away.

Animals have no fear of death, they don't know what that is. But they do know what pain is. You know, it's a lot like-

nietzsche wrote:I'm not afraid of death, but I'm very much afraid of helpless agony.

Because if you could ask any animal and that animal could answer back, it would say that exact thing.

nietzsche wrote:This is all very interesting to me. Except the treatment OP wants to give to the subject. I hate OP because he contradicted me.

Dang, sorry about that niet, I meant no disrespect.

There are claims made by lots of people about things they can't know. Like what a fish feels. We can only make guesses, and no matter how educated we think those guesses are, they are still just guesses.

As to the subject, there are millions of ways to die. I just wanted to get imagination flowing and see what things people could imagine within a set of parameter, i.e. one goes out on a nice outing when misfortune strikes unexpectedly. At any given moment could be one's last moment. That's about the only guarantee there is in life, that we are all going to die at some point in our lives. And man, there are some really horrid ways to go. I'm just trying to see what ways people think are the worst ways to die.

Ok thanks for responding so thoroughly but it's kind of hard to respond back, with all the quotes. f*ck it I'm Mexican I'm allowed to be lazy.

So 1) yes. 2)no idea either. 3)oh I won't surrender if someone was trying to kill me, i'd fucking do something to try to kill him even with my last breath, I'm a trickster somehow, you can never give me for dead. On the God comment, the key in this is the act of loving, not the object of the love. 4) still, basing us in that fact, some ideas can be explored. 5&6) I guess. 7) you be more careful next time