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Posted: **Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:42 pm**

_sabotage_ wrote:

I would think the more accurate comparison would be this:

and this:

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Posted: **Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:37 pm**

winner : US - Calvin & Hobbes
were the barbapoppas(?) from france? that might make it close... :lol:

Posted: **Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:51 pm**

The barbapapas might be french or belgian.. Always hard to tell. Tintin is from belgium though, even if it s totally part of the french culture.
You guys know "Luky Luke" the cowboy? Another very famous french/belgian comic from the asterix/tintin era.

Other than this, i have no idea of what those french cartoons you ve posted are. Are we talking cartoon or comics anyways? (Even if it s often both).
But here in france we had like 60% japanese cartoons, maybe 25% american and 15% french when i was younger. France has always been the second biggest consumer of japanese anime... After japan.

Posted: **Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:45 pm**

Cartoons and comics are the same. The original cartoon was charcoal caricatures done before the actual painting. Comics are basically cartoons done before an actual film project. The cartoon as we know it today is the actual caricature put into movement on film. The cartoon is the layout before the masterpiece.

Posted: **Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:55 pm**

Are we trying to decide who's better?

In that case why don't we compare more culturally representative stuff:

French food vs. American food?
French alcohol vs. American alcohol?
French TV vs. American TV?
French sport vs. American sport?
French music vs. American music?
French coffee vs. American coffee?
French fashion vs. American fashion?
French film and performing arts vs. American film and performing arts?

Posted: **Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:23 am**

Lootifer wrote:Are we trying to decide who's better?

In that case why don't we compare more culturally representative stuff:

French food vs. American food?
French alcohol vs. American alcohol?
French TV vs. American TV?
French sport vs. American sport?
French music vs. American music?
French coffee vs. American coffee?
French fashion vs. American fashion?
French film and performing arts vs. American film and performing arts?

Uh, this is about cartoons.

Posted: **Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:18 am**

Gaston
Marsipulami
Smurfs
Blueberry
XIII
Spirou

Well the french-belgian comic scene is awesome!
And its OLD

i mena the first movie starring the smurfs got launched in like 56-57...

What comics do exist in US thats that old except donald duck:)

?

Posted: **Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:02 am**

there's other classics, more younger, as
Lanfeust de Troy,
La quète de l'oiseau du temps,
Sillage, etc.

I like US comics, but the big classic ones are great to relax the brain. It's not a critic (for thoses who don't use french behaviour) I like this. the everlasting battle between the good and evil. Hopefully, some authors of the new generation are breaking the "rules".

Posted: **Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:31 am**

Agreed! The best comics are like book/comics..
Sandman for instance

Posted: **Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:43 pm**

DaGip wrote:Uh, this is about cartoons.

Yeah but its a terrible thread with a whole bunch of bias going on.

Posted: **Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:46 pm**

Lord Arioch wrote:Gaston
Marsipulami
Smurfs
Blueberry
XIII
Spirou

Well the french-belgian comic scene is awesome!
And its OLD i mena the first movie starring the smurfs got launched in like 56-57...

What comics do exist in US thats that old except donald duck:) ?

Yeah there s way too many comics that I can t class as french or belgian... The spirit is often the same and just by looking at the drawings you know it comes from either. But I think the classics as the above mentioned (including the 3 biggest ones, tintin, asterix and lucky luke) are mainly from belgium.

I know that for example my dad was a huge tintin fan as a kid, and when he knew he d have a son he bought the full collection so that I could grow up reading them. So obviously tintin has always been special for me. My cousins had the full collections of all the comics you ve mentioned in their toilets. Gosh, it was always impossible to have a fast shit when i went to visit them.

But regarding old stuff, I really loved the looney tunes. That just never gets old, and it was already old when we were kids.
Dc/marvel is some really old stuff too, and they managed o repeatedly outlive decades and decades. We ve obviously all been pretty much into it at some point. And of course there is all the disney stuff... It s interesting because now a days legions of disney cartoonists/animators are french.

But I think there s three main schools, the american, the franco-belgian and the japanese. We cannot not include that last one in your poll..

Posted: **Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:33 pm**

Lootifer wrote:
DaGip wrote:Uh, this is about cartoons.

Yeah but its a terrible thread with a whole bunch of bias going on.

Thanks to you. I applaud you and all your bias you brought to this thread. =D>

Posted: **Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:42 pm**

betiko wrote:
Lord Arioch wrote:Gaston
Marsipulami
Smurfs
Blueberry
XIII
Spirou

Well the french-belgian comic scene is awesome!
And its OLD i mena the first movie starring the smurfs got launched in like 56-57...

What comics do exist in US thats that old except donald duck:) ?

Yeah there s way too many comics that I can t class as french or belgian... The spirit is often the same and just by looking at the drawings you know it comes from either. But I think the classics as the above mentioned (including the 3 biggest ones, tintin, asterix and lucky luke) are mainly from belgium.

I know that for example my dad was a huge tintin fan as a kid, and when he knew he d have a son he bought the full collection so that I could grow up reading them. So obviously tintin has always been special for me. My cousins had the full collections of all the comics you ve mentioned in their toilets. Gosh, it was always impossible to have a fast shit when i went to visit them.

But regarding old stuff, I really loved the looney tunes. That just never gets old, and it was already old when we were kids.
Dc/marvel is some really old stuff too, and they managed o repeatedly outlive decades and decades. We ve obviously all been pretty much into it at some point. And of course there is all the disney stuff... It s interesting because now a days legions of disney cartoonists/animators are french.

But I think there s three main schools, the american, the franco-belgian and the japanese. We cannot not include that last one in your poll..

I think if we start including Japanese "cartoons" (they don't consider it cartoons), it is quite obvious that the Japanese would kick both America and France's asses!

I included the Transformers in one of my comparisons between French and American cartoons; however, after some research I found that The Transformers is actually Japanese animation...not American! It was written and recorded in America but the animation was done in Japan and South Korea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Transf ... _series%29

I believe Manga is entirely on its own here, and there is really no comparison. I enjoy Manga, no wonder why I loved The Transformers when I was a kid! (And killing Optimus in the the Transformer animated movie was total BULLSHIT!)

Posted: **Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:01 am**

Wha's quite funny when you look at american cartoons, is that it feels like all of them had commercial purposes. They are all giant toy advertisings. Basically, they come up with a concept of toys, then they start the cartoon.
I'm talking about the ones from my youth, the 80s.
By the way, I was a MASK fan all the way, toys and cartoon were much better than transformers.

also, I just had a look at a wiki page with all the famous cartoons from the 70s/80s/90s. you'd all be surprised to see that most were french+japanese or french+US, or US+japanese or french+US+japanese productions...

ninja turtles is french+US; mask is french+US; lucky luke is french+US; carebears french+canadian+US; heathcliff and the catillac cats french+US (les entrechats for us here); dennis the menace is french+US+japanese....

basically they all had incestuous relationships.

Posted: **Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:21 am**

betiko wrote:Wha's quite funny when you look at american cartoons, is that it feels like all of them had commercial purposes. They are all giant toy advertisings. Basically, they come up with a concept of toys, then they start the cartoon.
I'm talking about the ones from my youth, the 80s.
By the way, I was a MASK fan all the way, toys and cartoon were much better than transformers.

also, I just had a look at a wiki page with all the famous cartoons from the 70s/80s/90s. you'd all be surprised to see that most were french+japanese or french+US, or US+japanese or french+US+japanese productions...

ninja turtles is french+US; mask is french+US; lucky luke is french+US; carebears french+canadian+US; heathcliff and the catillac cats french+US (les entrechats for us here); dennis the menace is french+US+japanese....

basically they all had incestuous relationships.

It depends on the kind of series your looking at. Things like Justice League and such would be US. The Avatar series (not the giant alien smurfs or the terrible M. Knight Shyamalan film) despite having a lot of anime inspired animation (fun fact, the Japanese call all animated series "anime") is American made.