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So what is this american obsession with survivalism?
Looks like they just love to imagine the apocalyspe and get ready for it. Apparently countless midwest kind of guys create their several years supply of food + shelter + basic material...
It's cool to be prepaired in life and shit... But seriously, are these guys nuts? too much bible reading and zombie movie watching is no good for your mental health.
I get that there are a lot of natural hazards though (tornados, earthquakes...). But it doesn't look like survivalists get ready for that.

KIM JONG UN is coming!!!

So there is approximately 3 million folks who would be classified as "preppers"....less than 1% of the population. I believe about 1% of THEM are hardcore survivalists.....those guys are straaaaange.... I know several actual preppers; completely normal people, working full time, mortgage, family.....just "ready" for shit....lol. I prep somewhat my self in that I have 30 guns and 1,000 pounds of ammo.....if the shit hits the fan, I'll simply take what I need....think I'll visit those french folks up the road first....

Why are you so consumed by generalizing in relation to americans? there's 320 million of us manno.....

Here's a decent article...

http://www.offthegridnews.com/extreme-survival/the-modern-survivalist-movement-its-really-not-all-that-modern/

Well i clearly stated "midwest kind of guys" i believe new yorkers don t do that kind of stuff!
And yes, 3 million people, that s a number large enough to mention that batshit crazy trend.

So what is your plan, kill your prep neighbours to steal their food with your 1000 of ammo when the zombie apocalypse arrives?

I imagine PS could answer this question fairly comprehensively.

betiko wrote:So what is this american obsession with survivalism?
Looks like they just love to imagine the apocalyspe and get ready for it. Apparently countless midwest kind of guys create their several years supply of food + shelter + basic material...
It's cool to be prepaired in life and shit... But seriously, are these guys nuts? too much bible reading and zombie movie watching is no good for your mental health.
I get that there are a lot of natural hazards though (tornados, earthquakes...). But it doesn't look like survivalists get ready for that.

The entire point of the United States, and Freedom, is that those in power try to take it away from those without. From the Bible to Communist China, weapons trade has been controlled.

The only way this can change is with fully free second amendment - the right to own a bazooka and nuclear submarines etc. We are not preparing for "When" the world ends. The government is already out to get you! They f*ck you in the ass every time you deal with a piece of paperwork. The middle class was a lie they told to keep the working class placated while they took away gun rights (in Canada, they took away Canoe rights, which is the same thing).

Everyone under the age of 30 who isn't actively seeking total system collapse is either a)born rich b)lying or c)mentally ill.

Since the nobility system was taken away, the only way for the ultrarich to control the world is to take away the youth. This is why the birth rates in Europe are so low. Re-instate feudalism and that vanishes too.

Theres a fine line.
Some folks might go crazy and dedicate their lives and all their money to it.
like KB said though most folks(like myself) are on a much smaller scale.
I have 2 weeks food/water for my wife and I,a 12 gauge with a couple boxes of shells,emergency hand crank radio, flashlight, walkie talkies, penicillin, plus all my camping gear stashed away under my house in a hillbilly fairaday cage.
Between USAs stupidity(and the wave of antiUS sentiment that follows),my proximity to NORAD,rising russian aggression,north korea/irans nuclear programs,yellowstone supervolcano,and the inevitability of a major disease outbreak im more worried about war/natural disaster(real shit that happens) then zombies or the bible or any other fanciful horse shit of that nature.
If the world doesn't fall apart oh well im left with a little peace of mind.
Ever heard the saying "its better to have and not need, then to need and not have"?

what's the faraday cage for?

nietzsche wrote:what's the faraday cage for?

EMP.
Its just an oversized metal trash can and electrical tape.
Nuclear strike on NORAD my house is definetly getting get hit with an EMP.

I live in one of the world's most active earthquake zones. I'm also just outside of a Lahar Danger Zone. There's also multiple volcanoes nearby. I'm equidistant between a National Defense Reserve Fleet and one of the world's biggest nuclear weapons stockpiles. We also have Brown Recluse Spiders, Rattlesnakes, Grizzly Bears, and Mountain Lions. There are also a number of sexually aggressive, middle-aged women who live in the area.

Anyway, I can be self-sufficient for 60 days. I chose 60 days because I figured if normalcy hasn't returned by that point it won't ever return and I'd need to Road Warrior it then.

Never hurts to have stocked up on some supplies. And there are also more reasons than the "apocalypse" for it. For example, there are many towns out West (West of the Mississippi River) that could easily be snowed in from the outside world for a week or two, lose power due to weather that is not always snow, etc.

Though if Yellowstone's super volcano goes, so goes the rest of the world anyways. May take longer for certain areas to feel it, but yeah. The eruption of Krakatoa would be like a firecracker compared to the super volcano.

Also, jackalopes.

I get all the natural hazard part.. The risk is pretty close to zero around here... No tornados, no earthquakes, no tsunamis, no volcanoes...
It reminds me of the duck and cover map with the little turtle who used to teach people how to hide in shelters in case of russian nuclear strike in the 50s.
I guess the world is a safer place on our side of the pond.

betiko wrote:I get all the natural hazard part.. The risk is pretty close to zero around here... No tornados, no earthquakes, no tsunamis, no volcanoes...
It reminds me of the duck and cover map with the little turtle who used to teach people how to hide in shelters in case of russian nuclear strike in the 50s.
I guess the world is a safer place on our side of the pond.

Nah. You guys have to deal with vikings and the occasional imperialistic conqueror. We have to deal with bigfoot, aliens, and phatscotty.

muy_thaiguy wrote:Though if Yellowstone's super volcano goes, so goes the rest of the world anyways. May take longer for certain areas to feel it, but yeah. The eruption of Krakatoa would be like a firecracker compared to the super volcano.

Don't be such a negativist. Global warming would be over

Endgame422 wrote:

nietzsche wrote:what's the faraday cage for?

EMP.
Its just an oversized metal trash can and electrical tape.
Nuclear strike on NORAD my house is definetly getting get hit with an EMP.

Don't forget massive solar flares. Only a matter of time before they take down CC and all of you electrical gear.

waauw wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:Though if Yellowstone's super volcano goes, so goes the rest of the world anyways. May take longer for certain areas to feel it, but yeah. The eruption of Krakatoa would be like a firecracker compared to the super volcano.

Don't be such a negativist. Global warming would be over

Yeah, but I live in Wyoming...

I heard the gama ray of a supernova could kill us all. So i d rather not have any supply ready.

Pssh, there are other things we prepare for besides silly things like the apocalypse...

The radioactive gay zombie apocalypse?

betiko wrote:The radioactive gay zombie apocalypse?

Exactly.
You know it's true because Michele Bachmann says so.
Thanks Obama!

-----Being prepared is for suckers.A waste of money. I.E.--The MAGINOT LINE!!! .If you put bars on your windows,how will you escape a fire? That said. They are nuts. Who would want to live in such a world. Oh!wait, we already live in the US.crap! ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

betiko wrote:Well i clearly stated "midwest kind of guys" i believe new yorkers don t do that kind of stuff!
And yes, 3 million people, that s a number large enough to mention that batshit crazy trend.

So what is your plan, kill your prep neighbours to steal their food with your 1000 of ammo when the zombie apocalypse arrives?

Yep...but only the males And the 3 mil is prepping...not hardcore survivalists...big difference....

ps...is this YOU Betiko???

betiko wrote:So what is this american obsession with survivalism?
Looks like they just love to imagine the apocalyspe and get ready for it. Apparently countless midwest kind of guys create their several years supply of food + shelter + basic material...
It's cool to be prepaired in life and shit... But seriously, are these guys nuts? too much bible reading and zombie movie watching is no good for your mental health.
I get that there are a lot of natural hazards though (tornados, earthquakes...). But it doesn't look like survivalists get ready for that.

The world is too fucking crowded. In the industrialized countries, 2% of the population feeds the country. Even a small interruption of the food supply chain could bring millions of starving city dwellers out to pillage the countryside. It makes sense to be prepared.

Of course there are all the usual scenarios -- nuclear war, runaway global warming, asteroid impact, epidemic, communist revolution, asteroid impact, supervolcano, major tectonic shift, etcetera -- but a scenario doesn't have to be that dramatic globally to be cataclysmic on a local level. About 10 or 12 years ago we had a large-scale power outage here. A main power line went down in Ohio, caused a pulse through the system that blew transformers and forced power plants into emergency shutdown across Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, and Ontario. In some areas power was back up quickly, but in others it took days or in a few cases weeks. It was the middle of summer, and across Ontario people lost something like 60% of the food in their freezers. It was a good kick in the stones for anyone, especially if they had a well-stocked freezer like we did. Wasn't quite enough to trigger hunger since there were enough alternate sources available, but if it had been just a little more widespread... hmm. I think few people realize how close we came to actual hunger in one of the wealthiest places in the world.

betiko wrote:I heard the gama ray of a supernova could kill us all. So i d rather not have any supply ready.

All things are relative. Yeah, if the supernova was close enough, it could kill all of us and make all our preparations irrelevant. But what if it was just a tiny bit outside of the guaranteed death radius? What if the the supernova was just far enough that it killed 20% of us, perhaps, and gave the rest of us debilitating but non-lethal radiation sickness? A world of people walking around, moaning in pain, puking and shitting on themselves, too sick to work but needing to do something to stay alive. Not that different from the zombie apocalypse, really.

Dukasaur wrote:The world is too fucking crowded. In the industrialized countries, 2% of the population feeds the country. Even a small interruption of the food supply chain could bring millions of starving city dwellers out to pillage the countryside. It makes sense to be prepared.

The west is fine. The arab spring has shown it's the large net importers of food that have to worry(middle east, east-asia). Western countries have enough food production to feed the basic needs of their own people.

waauw wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:The world is too fucking crowded. In the industrialized countries, 2% of the population feeds the country. Even a small interruption of the food supply chain could bring millions of starving city dwellers out to pillage the countryside. It makes sense to be prepared.

The west is fine. The arab spring has shown it's the large net importers of food that have to worry(middle east, east-asia). Western countries have enough food production to feed the basic needs of their own people.

there's over 500 000 farms and agricultural exploitations in france, we're the first agricultural producer in europe and the first in exports. Food supply isn't really a concern. Over half of the french soil is used for agricultural purposes, and we're the biggest country in size within western europe.
We produce 12% more electricity than we use and export the rest when not needed.

I really don't know anyone in europe who tries to get prepared "just in case", even from my grand parent's generation who had to suffer the war and starvation.

betiko wrote:there's over 500 000 farms and agricultural exploitations in france, we're the first agricultural producer in europe and the first in exports. Food supply isn't really a concern. Over half of the french soil is used for agricultural purposes, and we're the biggest country in size within western europe.
We produce 12% more electricity than we use and export the rest when not needed.

I really don't know anyone in europe who tries to get prepared "just in case", even from my grand parent's generation who had to suffer the war and starvation.

And Belgium gladly buys the french excesses in return for beer
The swiss are pretty well prepared though. They live like dwarves in their mountainbunkers.