Conquer Club

mrswdk wrote:More like heroin, amirite?

Dukasaur wrote:

mrswdk wrote:More like heroin, amirite?

Heroin is a drug. Heroine is the correct word for a female hero.

And, I wouldn't go so far as to call her a heroine, but I do think she did the right thing.

notyou2 wrote:What if she had the wrong kid? She would be up on charges.

mrswdk wrote:It's more than that, though. In China, 99.9% of people won't interfere in anything that isn't their business. See a guy slapping his wife around in the street? Ignore. See someone getting pick-pocketed? Keep quiet. See a fake injury scammer attempting to extort someone? Stay out of it, even if that means the scammer wins. Chinese people are (by and large) complete bystanders, and the sense of community that exists in big cities is absolutely zero, and yet China is a very safe place to live. No gangs of kids hanging out in the street intimidating people, no one vandalizing bus stops or keying cars... little reason to fear strangers for any reason at all, really.

The way I see it, I think it's the subculture that exists in countries like the US and UK where behaving like a moron is cool and desirable. Being a 'gangsta' or a delinquent teen is something that a lot of young people romanticize. They think it's cool to act like they're simple, get in fights, drop out of school, break the law and generally resist any rule anyone tries to impose on them. Many of those young people grow up being taught that society is something to rebel against. In contrast, no Chinese young person (except a couple of jerk-off kids of billionaires) think it's cool to act like a delinquent - they think it's retarded. A desire to become educated and successful, and wanting to be seen as upstanding and upright is the dominant mindset here. Kids wouldn't refrain from setting fire to a mailbox because they're worried about being punished - they'd refrain from doing so because they don't want to look like a loser in front of their peers.

mrswdk wrote:It's more than that, though. In China, 99.9% of people won't interfere in anything that isn't their business. See a guy slapping his wife around in the street? Ignore. See someone getting pick-pocketed? Keep quiet. See a fake injury scammer attempting to extort someone? Stay out of it, even if that means the scammer wins.

Phatscotty wrote:

mrswdk wrote:It's more than that, though. In China, 99.9% of people won't interfere in anything that isn't their business. See a guy slapping his wife around in the street? Ignore. See someone getting pick-pocketed? Keep quiet. See a fake injury scammer attempting to extort someone? Stay out of it, even if that means the scammer wins.

So, nobody ever has anything to report to the local Communist party official?

mrswdk wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

mrswdk wrote:It's more than that, though. In China, 99.9% of people won't interfere in anything that isn't their business. See a guy slapping his wife around in the street? Ignore. See someone getting pick-pocketed? Keep quiet. See a fake injury scammer attempting to extort someone? Stay out of it, even if that means the scammer wins.

So, nobody ever has anything to report to the local Communist party official?

Nah, they're too busy singing rousing Marxist anthems as they beat iron bars into shape in their factory workshops.

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:Maybe if she'd done her job right in the first place the boy wouldn't have been there to begin with.

-TG

AndyDufresne wrote:

mrswdk wrote:
The way I see it, I think it's the subculture that exists in countries like the US and UK where behaving like a moron is cool and desirable. Being a 'gangsta' or a delinquent teen is something that a lot of young people romanticize. They think it's cool to act like they're simple, get in fights, drop out of school, break the law and generally resist any rule anyone tries to impose on them. Many of those young people grow up being taught that society is something to rebel against. In contrast, no Chinese young person (except a couple of jerk-off kids of billionaires) think it's cool to act like a delinquent - they think it's retarded. A desire to become educated and successful, and wanting to be seen as upstanding and upright is the dominant mindset here. Kids wouldn't refrain from setting fire to a mailbox because they're worried about being punished - they'd refrain from doing so because they don't want to look like a loser in front of their peers.

--Andy

mrswdk wrote:It's more than that, though. In China, 99.9% of people won't interfere in anything that isn't their business. See a guy slapping his wife around in the street? Ignore. See someone getting pick-pocketed? Keep quiet. See a fake injury scammer attempting to extort someone? Stay out of it, even if that means the scammer wins. Chinese people are (by and large) complete bystanders, and the sense of community that exists in big cities is absolutely zero, and yet China is a very safe place to live. No gangs of kids hanging out in the street intimidating people, no one vandalizing bus stops or keying cars... little reason to fear strangers for any reason at all, really.

The way I see it, I think it's the subculture that exists in countries like the US and UK where behaving like a moron is cool and desirable. Being a 'gangsta' or a delinquent teen is something that a lot of young people romanticize. They think it's cool to act like they're simple, get in fights, drop out of school, break the law and generally resist any rule anyone tries to impose on them. Many of those young people grow up being taught that society is something to rebel against. In contrast, no Chinese young person (except a couple of jerk-off kids of billionaires) think it's cool to act like a delinquent - they think it's retarded. A desire to become educated and successful, and wanting to be seen as upstanding and upright is the dominant mindset here. Kids wouldn't refrain from setting fire to a mailbox because they're worried about being punished - they'd refrain from doing so because they don't want to look like a loser in front of their peers.

Phatscotty wrote:

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:Maybe if she'd done her job right in the first place the boy wouldn't have been there to begin with.

-TG

She did her job. He was grounded and told specifically not to participate in the riot. The boy has a part to play too in doing the right thing

Lootifer wrote:

mrswdk wrote:It's more than that, though. In China, 99.9% of people won't interfere in anything that isn't their business. See a guy slapping his wife around in the street? Ignore. See someone getting pick-pocketed? Keep quiet. See a fake injury scammer attempting to extort someone? Stay out of it, even if that means the scammer wins. Chinese people are (by and large) complete bystanders, and the sense of community that exists in big cities is absolutely zero, and yet China is a very safe place to live. No gangs of kids hanging out in the street intimidating people, no one vandalizing bus stops or keying cars... little reason to fear strangers for any reason at all, really.

The way I see it, I think it's the subculture that exists in countries like the US and UK where behaving like a moron is cool and desirable. Being a 'gangsta' or a delinquent teen is something that a lot of young people romanticize. They think it's cool to act like they're simple, get in fights, drop out of school, break the law and generally resist any rule anyone tries to impose on them. Many of those young people grow up being taught that society is something to rebel against. In contrast, no Chinese young person (except a couple of jerk-off kids of billionaires) think it's cool to act like a delinquent - they think it's retarded. A desire to become educated and successful, and wanting to be seen as upstanding and upright is the dominant mindset here. Kids wouldn't refrain from setting fire to a mailbox because they're worried about being punished - they'd refrain from doing so because they don't want to look like a loser in front of their peers.

Its a cool story in all, but I too have nothing to fear from strangers; yet if someone falls over in my culture we help them up.

Sure you have a wonderful society based on self interest where kids are perfectly behaved. Perfect little robots with a homogenous culture. Great outcome

Personally I think the society you just described is abhorrent though.

Lootifer wrote:You described a culture from an internal point of view. I thought it abhorrent based on your description. If I am passing judgment on something I don't understand it is because you have failed to communicate well enough for me to understand properly, or, well you know, I am coming to my own objective conclusion that what you have described is abhorrent.

mrswdk wrote:

Lootifer wrote:

mrswdk wrote:It's more than that, though. In China, 99.9% of people won't interfere in anything that isn't their business. See a guy slapping his wife around in the street? Ignore. See someone getting pick-pocketed? Keep quiet. See a fake injury scammer attempting to extort someone? Stay out of it, even if that means the scammer wins. Chinese people are (by and large) complete bystanders, and the sense of community that exists in big cities is absolutely zero, and yet China is a very safe place to live. No gangs of kids hanging out in the street intimidating people, no one vandalizing bus stops or keying cars... little reason to fear strangers for any reason at all, really.

The way I see it, I think it's the subculture that exists in countries like the US and UK where behaving like a moron is cool and desirable. Being a 'gangsta' or a delinquent teen is something that a lot of young people romanticize. They think it's cool to act like they're simple, get in fights, drop out of school, break the law and generally resist any rule anyone tries to impose on them. Many of those young people grow up being taught that society is something to rebel against. In contrast, no Chinese young person (except a couple of jerk-off kids of billionaires) think it's cool to act like a delinquent - they think it's retarded. A desire to become educated and successful, and wanting to be seen as upstanding and upright is the dominant mindset here. Kids wouldn't refrain from setting fire to a mailbox because they're worried about being punished - they'd refrain from doing so because they don't want to look like a loser in front of their peers.

Its a cool story in all, but I too have nothing to fear from strangers; yet if someone falls over in my culture we help them up.

Sure you have a wonderful society based on self interest where kids are perfectly behaved. Perfect little robots with a homogenous culture. Great outcome

Personally I think the society you just described is abhorrent though.

People can often be unwilling to directly help an apparently injured stranger because of the number of scammers out there who will lie on the floor and wait until someone comes to help them, then accuse the rescuer of knocking them down and attempt to sue them. Getting involved when you see someone else getting scammed puts you at pretty big risk of getting caught in the crossfire, so that's why people are also reluctant to do that.

The unwillingness to get involved in someone else's fights is because, in Chinese culture, a stranger getting involved will totally humiliate the people having the dispute. By intervening you are a) being incredibly rude, and b) being totally unconstructive.

Maybe you could refrain from passing judgements on a society that you clearly don't understand.

In the mean time, I will get on the phone to President Xi and ask that he immediately starts bullying waitresses and tells the police to look the other way when people brag about gang raping drunk young girls on social media, so that China can start its journey towards being as perfect as New Zealand.