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Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby mrswdk on Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:06 am

On the Customs Union:

There is reluctance to acknowledge the legitimacy of our actions and reluctance to cooperate with integration associations in the territory of the former Soviet Union. I am referring to the Customs Union, which we created and which has now grown into the Eurasian Economic Union.

Because it is all right when integration takes place in Europe, but if we do the same in the territory of the former Soviet Union, they try to explain it by Russia's desire to restore an empire. I don’t understand the reasons for such an approach.


On the military threat Russia poses to Europe:

to quote a political figure from the past, Otto von Bismarck, it is not discussions but the potential that counts.

What does the actual potential show? US military spending is higher than that of all countries in the world taken together. The aggregate military spending of NATO countries is 10 times, note – 10 times higher than that of the Russian Federation. Russia has virtually no bases abroad. We have the remnants of our armed forces (since Soviet times) in Tajikistan, on the border with Afghanistan...

Sometimes I am asked about our airplanes flying somewhere far, over the Atlantic Ocean. Patrolling by strategic airplanes in remote regions was carried out only by the Soviet Union and the United States during the Cold War. In the early 1990s, we, the new, modern Russia, stopped these flights, but our American friends continued to fly along our borders. Why? Some years ago, we resumed these flights. And you want to say that we have been aggressive?

American submarines are on permanent alert off the Norwegian coast; they are equipped with missiles that can reach Moscow in 17 minutes. But we dismantled all of our bases in Cuba a long time ago, even the non-strategic ones. And you would call us aggressive?

You yourself have mentioned NATO’s expansion to the east. As for us, we are not expanding anywhere; it is NATO infrastructure, including military infrastructure, that is moving towards our borders. Is this a manifestation of our aggression?

I think that only an insane person and only in a dream can imagine that Russia would suddenly attack NATO. I think some countries are simply taking advantage of people’s fears with regard to Russia.


On why the West is trying to make Russia seem scary and aggressive:

some may be interested in fostering such fears. I can only make a conjecture.

For example, the Americans do not want Russia's rapprochement with Europe. I am not asserting this, it is just a hypothesis. Let’s suppose that the United States would like to maintain its leadership in the Atlantic community. It needs an external threat, an external enemy to ensure this leadership. Iran is clearly not enough – this threat is not very scary or big enough. Who can be frightening? And then suddenly this crisis unfolds in Ukraine. Russia is forced to respond. Perhaps, it was engineered on purpose, I don’t know. But it was not our doing.

Let me tell you something – there is no need to fear Russia. The world has changed so drastically that people with some common sense cannot even imagine such a large-scale military conflict today. We have other things to think about, I assure you.


On Crimea:

You know, the Crimean scenario does not reflect Russia’s position; it reflects the position of the people who live in Crimea.

I would like to ask those who do not want to recognise it: if our opponents call themselves democrats, I would like to ask what exactly democracy means. As far as I know, democracy is the rule of the people, or the rule based on the will of the people.


http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/49629
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Re: Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby khazalid on Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:17 am

brings to mind ol' curtis dunnit? - 'the power of nightmares'.

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Re: Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby waauw on Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:19 am

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Re: Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby DoomYoshi on Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:46 am

He misses the chief things in the goals of a resurgent Russian federation and the goals of the EU.

The EU promotes freedom of speech, fair and free elections etc. Russia promotes Mexico*, but not the cool Pancho Villa kind of Mexico either.

*Mexico referring to a violent land where those who have all the money also have all the elections rigged in their favor.
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Re: Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby waauw on Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:52 am

Ok I read it now anyway. On most of his points, I do agree with mr. Putin here. The only thing that really bothers me is that he just had to mention Cuba. The dismantling of Cuba was a political deal where the US dismantled Turkey, which he seems to leave out.
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Postby GoranZ on Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:42 am

waauw wrote:Ok I read it now anyway. On most of his points, I do agree with mr. Putin here. The only thing that really bothers me is that he just had to mention Cuba. The dismantling of Cuba was a political deal where the US dismantled Turkey, which he seems to leave out.

1. Turkey never suffered from sanctions from Eastern Europe or Russia alone. In the last 65 years Cuba suffered from Western sanctions.
2. The agreement was for nuclear weapons only, and not for conventional weapons or radar stations... Russia dismantle the stations in Cuba ~10 years ago, now they are building them again.

But regardless of everything its Europe who is suffering the most and it seems it will suffer in the future as long as there are US military forces on European soil.
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Re: Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby Oneyed on Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:39 am

DoomYoshi wrote:He misses the chief things in the goals of a resurgent Russian federation and the goals of the EU.

The EU promotes freedom of speech, fair and free elections etc. Russia promotes Mexico*, but not the cool Pancho Villa kind of Mexico either.

*Mexico referring to a violent land where those who have all the money also have all the elections rigged in their favor.


what do you know about Russia (except mainstream media source)? do you know anobody who lives in Russia?

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Re: Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby notyou2 on Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:26 am

He's a Russian living in Macedonia.
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Re: Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby GoranZ on Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:26 pm

notyou2 wrote:He's a Russian living in Macedonia.

Better to be Russian living in Macedonia than Canadian cheep whore for CIA like you.
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Re: Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby waauw on Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:27 pm

GoranZ wrote:
notyou2 wrote:He's a Russian living in Macedonia.

Better to be Russian living in Macedonia than Canadian cheep whore for CIA like you.


cheap whore or sheep whore?
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Re: Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:50 pm

Oneyed wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:He misses the chief things in the goals of a resurgent Russian federation and the goals of the EU.

The EU promotes freedom of speech, fair and free elections etc. Russia promotes Mexico*, but not the cool Pancho Villa kind of Mexico either.

*Mexico referring to a violent land where those who have all the money also have all the elections rigged in their favor.


what do you know about Russia (except mainstream media source)? do you know anobody who lives in Russia?

Oneyed


Knowing people who live in a country is actually a deterrent to making impartial, rational analyses.

People are easily swayed by nationalist propaganda that plays off the base emotions, simple pork barrel schemes etc.
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Re: Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby Oneyed on Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:54 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
Oneyed wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:He misses the chief things in the goals of a resurgent Russian federation and the goals of the EU.

The EU promotes freedom of speech, fair and free elections etc. Russia promotes Mexico*, but not the cool Pancho Villa kind of Mexico either.

*Mexico referring to a violent land where those who have all the money also have all the elections rigged in their favor.


what do you know about Russia (except mainstream media source)? do you know anobody who lives in Russia?

Oneyed


Knowing people who live in a country is actually a deterrent to making impartial, rational analyses.

People are easily swayed by nationalist propaganda that plays off the base emotions, simple pork barrel schemes etc.


so this could valids also for you and your antirussia propaganda.

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Re: Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:58 pm

It could be, but I have nothing to gain from Russia being weaker. I can only gain from Russia being stronger, as then it can be a viable trading partner. The oligarchy system is the reason that the middle class in your country is wealthier than the middle class in Russia. Czechoslovakia was very successful in banishing that concept.

I want the citizens to enjoy the freedoms and wealth that I have. I may be wrong in how I can help them, but such is life.
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Re: Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby Oneyed on Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:10 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:It could be, but I have nothing to gain from Russia being weaker. I can only gain from Russia being stronger, as then it can be a viable trading partner. The oligarchy system is the reason that the middle class in your country is wealthier than the middle class in Russia. Czechoslovakia was very successful in banishing that concept.

I want the citizens to enjoy the freedoms and wealth that I have. I may be wrong in how I can help them, but such is life.


unfortunately you are right about middle class in Slovakia. after revolution in 1989 there was very strong middle class (which become from "evil" socialist constitution).

could you tell me if situation of middle class in Canada is better or worst as before 10 years? and are you realy so naive that in USA, Canada is not oligarchy system (ofcourse there are corporations, what a fog).

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Re: Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby GoranZ on Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:14 pm

waauw wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
notyou2 wrote:He's a Russian living in Macedonia.

Better to be Russian living in Macedonia than Canadian cheep whore for CIA like you.


cheap whore or sheep whore?
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:lol: I guess he can be both, just like in the picture :)


DoomYoshi wrote:It could be, but I have nothing to gain from Russia being weaker. I can only gain from Russia being stronger, as then it can be a viable trading partner. The oligarchy system is the reason that the middle class in your country is wealthier than the middle class in Russia. Czechoslovakia was very successful in banishing that concept.

I want the citizens to enjoy the freedoms and wealth that I have. I may be wrong in how I can help them, but such is life.

Oligarchy system wasn't established by Putin, it was established by weak prowestern puppets. Just to make it interesting Oligarchy system is Capitalist system, you have it for ~200 years in South America :D

What Putin is doing is doing for his country and its people, what western politicians are doing is for their pockets ;)
If you like good things to the Russians you should let them chose on their own, seems like they are choosing properly.

GDP (PPP) per capita(so we can verify if you are falsely making up stories about Putin or not)
For 2014: Slovakia: 28,175 and Russia: 24,805
For 1998: Slovakia: 11,812 and Russia: 8,539
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Seems to me that the Russia are catching on Slovakia. No that Slovakia is doing bad, but Russia is doing better.

Oneyed wrote:unfortunately you are right about middle class in Slovakia. after revolution in 1989 there was very strong middle class (which become from "evil" socialist constitution).

could you tell me if situation of middle class in Canada is better or worst as before 10 years? and are you realy so naive that in USA, Canada is not oligarchy system (ofcourse there are corporations, what a fog).

Oneyed

Western propaganda, they pretend they dont have oligarch families like Rockefellers, Kochs or other look alike.
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Re: Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby mrswdk on Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:49 pm

GoranZ wrote:What Putin is doing is doing for his country and its people, what western politicians are doing is for their pockets ;)


Putin's personal net worth is estimated to be $40-70 billion.
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Postby waauw on Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:15 am

GoranZ wrote:What Putin is doing is doing for his country and its people, what western politicians are doing is for their pockets ;)
If you like good things to the Russians you should let them chose on their own, seems like they are choosing properly.

GDP (PPP) per capita(so we can verify if you are falsely making up stories about Putin or not)
For 2014: Slovakia: 28,175 and Russia: 24,805
For 1998: Slovakia: 11,812 and Russia: 8,539
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Seems to me that the Russia are catching on Slovakia. No that Slovakia is doing bad, but Russia is doing better.


The difference is, Russia has an abundance of resources. Slovakia does not(not to Russian extent anyway).
Slovakia has a strong secondary sector. Russia is merely thriving on its primary sector.

And I'm not even going to go into Putins personal deep pocket filling and nespotism. Those should be abundantly clear.
I have nothing against Russia. I want the EU to work with Russia, but you are living blindfolded.

ps: Just to put it into perspective, Russia still has a very long way to go.
2014 GDP/Capita(PPP) in Belgium: 42,973
2014 GDP/Capita(PPP) in Germany: 46,896
2014 GDP/Capita(PPP) in Netherlands: 48,317
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Re: Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby mrswdk on Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:32 am

GoranZ wrote:GDP (PPP) per capita
For 2020 (projected): Slovakia: 37,277 and Russia: 27,667
For 2014: Slovakia: 28,175 and Russia: 24,805
For 1998: Slovakia: 11,812 and Russia: 8,539
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Seems to me that the Russia are catching on Slovakia. No that Slovakia is doing bad, but Russia is doing better.


And Russia is about to stall, whereas Slovakia is not.
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Re: Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby GoranZ on Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:34 am

mrswdk wrote:
GoranZ wrote:What Putin is doing is doing for his country and its people, what western politicians are doing is for their pockets ;)


Putin's personal net worth is estimated to be $40-70 billion.

According to western sources, same sources that can't find out how putin's dauthers look like. You thik they know his wealth?
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Re: Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby GoranZ on Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:40 am

mrswdk wrote:
GoranZ wrote:GDP (PPP) per capita
For 2020 (projected): Slovakia: 37,277 and Russia: 27,667
For 2014: Slovakia: 28,175 and Russia: 24,805
For 1998: Slovakia: 11,812 and Russia: 8,539
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Seems to me that the Russia are catching on Slovakia. No that Slovakia is doing bad, but Russia is doing better.


And Russia is about to stall, whereas Slovakia is not.

Projections... Sorry but they have nothing in common with what will happen.
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Re: Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby mrswdk on Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:44 am

GoranZ wrote:
mrswdk wrote:
GoranZ wrote:What Putin is doing is doing for his country and its people, what western politicians are doing is for their pockets ;)


Putin's personal net worth is estimated to be $40-70 billion.

According to western sources, same sources that can't find out how putin's dauthers look like. You thik they know his wealth?


You mean this daughter?

GoranZ wrote:
mrswdk wrote:
GoranZ wrote:GDP (PPP) per capita
For 2020 (projected): Slovakia: 37,277 and Russia: 27,667
For 2014: Slovakia: 28,175 and Russia: 24,805
For 1998: Slovakia: 11,812 and Russia: 8,539
*source

Seems to me that the Russia are catching on Slovakia. No that Slovakia is doing bad, but Russia is doing better.


And Russia is about to stall, whereas Slovakia is not.

Projections... Sorry but they have nothing in common with what will happen.


Silly IMF - they should've spoken to GoranZ before they published this work of complete fantasy!
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Re: Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby GoranZ on Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:50 am

waauw wrote:
GoranZ wrote:What Putin is doing is doing for his country and its people, what western politicians are doing is for their pockets ;)
If you like good things to the Russians you should let them chose on their own, seems like they are choosing properly.

GDP (PPP) per capita(so we can verify if you are falsely making up stories about Putin or not)
For 2014: Slovakia: 28,175 and Russia: 24,805
For 1998: Slovakia: 11,812 and Russia: 8,539
*source

Seems to me that the Russia are catching on Slovakia. No that Slovakia is doing bad, but Russia is doing better.


The difference is, Russia has an abundance of resources. Slovakia does not(not to Russian extent anyway).
Slovakia has a strong secondary sector. Russia is merely thriving on its primary sector.

And I'm not even going to go into Putins personal deep pocket filling and nespotism. Those should be abundantly clear.
I have nothing against Russia. I want the EU to work with Russia, but you are living blindfolded.

ps: Just to put it into perspective, Russia still has a very long way to go.
2014 GDP/Capita(PPP) in Belgium: 42,973
2014 GDP/Capita(PPP) in Germany: 46,896
2014 GDP/Capita(PPP) in Netherlands: 48,317

You qoute what I said but I was wondering which part lead you to think that I'm living blindfolded?
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Re: Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby waauw on Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:57 am

GoranZ wrote:
waauw wrote:And I'm not even going to go into Putins personal deep pocket filling and nespotism. Those should be abundantly clear.
I have nothing against Russia. I want the EU to work with Russia, but you are living blindfolded.

You qoute what I said but I was wondering which part lead you to think that I'm living blindfolded?

clear now?
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Re: Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:02 pm

There is rise and fall in these things. Right now things are definitely sloping downwards in North America.
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Re: Putin speaks to some Italians

Postby GoranZ on Fri Jun 12, 2015 11:14 am

mrswdk wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
mrswdk wrote:
GoranZ wrote:GDP (PPP) per capita
For 2020 (projected): Slovakia: 37,277 and Russia: 27,667
For 2014: Slovakia: 28,175 and Russia: 24,805
For 1998: Slovakia: 11,812 and Russia: 8,539
*source

Seems to me that the Russia are catching on Slovakia. No that Slovakia is doing bad, but Russia is doing better.


And Russia is about to stall, whereas Slovakia is not.

Projections... Sorry but they have nothing in common with what will happen.


Silly IMF - they should've spoken to GoranZ before they published this work of complete fantasy!

Christopher Columbus, Magellan, Alexander the Great, Cezar, Greeks vs Persians in the battle of Marathon, Germans vs Russians* in WW2 and many other European people and nations achieved the unachievable in any projections. Actually that is quite common for Europeans, and the lower the odds are the better we perform with proper(or at least better for *) leadership. You can still think that the Chines are superior against any other humans but that might cost you in the future... you will find yours self using Latin or Cyrillic script in everyday life as outcome, just like the Mongols ;)

There is no way for you to predict how accurate IMF projections are, but long-term IMF projections are usually awful. If you are interested how awful they are goggle it.

waauw wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
waauw wrote:And I'm not even going to go into Putins personal deep pocket filling and nespotism. Those should be abundantly clear.
I have nothing against Russia. I want the EU to work with Russia, but you are living blindfolded.

You qoute what I said but I was wondering which part lead you to think that I'm living blindfolded?

clear now?

Of course not... You brought that conclusion based on your words and without any independent evidence(if we talk about Putin's wealth). Blindfolded is a person who is bringing conclusions based on speculations not provable facts. You are blindfolded according to me :D
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