Conquer Club

FROM BUSINESS INSIDER

Why is it that no one wants to talk about the Godzilla sized Panda in the room? Everyone wants to shut down the coal industry in the United States, but it's China's coal industry that is killing their people - not the US coal industry that is killing our people. It is China's automobiles that are killing their people - not the US automobiles killing our people (and they don't really want to kill the gas guzzling automobile because that's how they get the road revenue). When the Pope speaks, people assume he is talking about the US ... but it's really China, a nation where he is not welcome because of their attempt to subjugate all religion to direct party control.

true enough, but on the other hand, average life expectancy has skyrocketed since the great leap forward. the pollution is a by-product of this, but it's hardly as black and white as you make it out to be.

*this post was sponsored by the incarcerated wailings and gnashings of mrswdk*

tzor wrote:FROM BUSINESS INSIDER

Why is it that no one wants to talk about the Godzilla sized Panda in the room? Everyone wants to shut down the coal industry in the United States, but it's China's coal industry that is killing their people - not the US coal industry that is killing our people. It is China's automobiles that are killing their people - not the US automobiles killing our people (and they don't really want to kill the gas guzzling automobile because that's how they get the road revenue). When the Pope speaks, people assume he is talking about the US ... but it's really China, a nation where he is not welcome because of their attempt to subjugate all religion to direct party control.

Both as bad as each other. China just seems to be on steroids at the moment whilst they take any & every opportunity to grow their economy

MIT study: Air pollution causes 200,000 early deaths each year in the U.S.

The group tracked ground-level emissions from sources such as industrial smokestacks, vehicle tailpipes, marine and rail operations, and commercial and residential heating throughout the United States, and found that such air pollution causes about 200,000 early deaths each year. Emissions from road transportation are the most significant contributor, causing 53,000 premature deaths, followed closely by power generation, with 52,000.

So first, when you account for population size, China has less than double the number of per capita deaths due to air pollution each year compared to the US; and second, half of our air pollution deaths in the US come from pollution due to power generation (i.e. coal) and from transportation emissions (i.e. cars and trucks). We're doing better than China on this front, no doubt about that; but it's a factor of 2, not a factor of 100.

Metsfanmax wrote:So first, when you account for population size, China has less than double the number of per capita deaths due to air pollution each year compared to the US;

Just one second here. That ain't right. Let's DO THE NUMBERS I know math is hard, given one quoted per day and one quoted per year but the video also gives the per year numbers as well. So as they say on Marketplace, let's do the numbers.

Population of China 1,357,000,000

Deaths 1,600,000

0.11790%


Population of United States 318,900,000

Deaths 200,000

0.06271%

No china is worse by a factor of 1.8.

Math is hard.

tzor wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:So first, when you account for population size, China has less than double the number of per capita deaths due to air pollution each year compared to the US;

Just one second here. That ain't right. Let's DO THE NUMBERS I know math is hard, given one quoted per day and one quoted per year but the video also gives the per year numbers as well. So as they say on Marketplace, let's do the numbers.

Population of China 1,357,000,000

Deaths 1,600,000

0.11790%


Population of United States 318,900,000

Deaths 200,000

0.06271%

No china is worse by a factor of 1.8.

Math is hard.

Mets: China's death rate is less than 2 times that of the US
tzor: You're wrong, China's is 1.8 times that of the US

Math isn't hard, but apparently reading comprehension is.

Can I just get some props for how roundly tzor was smashed in this thread? I am not normally an attention seeker but come on this was good.

Thank you for defending China so well in my absence.

Tragic but necessary deaths.

The Chinese government clearly needs to force every citizen to purchase canned air insurance.

khazalid wrote:true enough, but on the other hand, average life expectancy has skyrocketed since the great leap forward. the pollution is a by-product of this, but it's hardly as black and white as you make it out to be.

*this post was sponsored by the incarcerated wailings and gnashings of mrswdk*

You talk like the great leap forward was some good thing

Phatscotty wrote:The Chinese government clearly needs to force every citizen to purchase canned air insurance.

But thhat would be too *gasp* Capitalist of them!

In all seriousness, no one place in the US is as bad as some places in China--where in some of the biggest cities you HAVE to wear a mask to be able to breathe when you go outside. It's literally THAT BAD.

Phatscotty wrote:

khazalid wrote:true enough, but on the other hand, average life expectancy has skyrocketed since the great leap forward. the pollution is a by-product of this, but it's hardly as black and white as you make it out to be.

*this post was sponsored by the incarcerated wailings and gnashings of mrswdk*

You talk like the great leap forward was some good thing

I think you failed to detect the mocking tone of khazalid's post

Who says khaz was mocking anyone? Life expectancy and overall quality of life have risen significantly in China over the past 50 or so years, and the improvements of the most recent decades have been fueled by China's industrialization (of which one side effect is, funnily enough, pollution).

mrswdk wrote:Who says khaz was mocking anyone? Life expectancy and overall quality of life have risen significantly in China over the past 50 or so years, and the improvements of the most recent decades have been fueled by China's industrialization (of which one side effect is, funnily enough, pollution).

He says, with the last line in his post.

mrswdk wrote:Who says khaz was mocking anyone? Life expectancy and overall quality of life have risen significantly in China over the past 50 or so years, and the improvements of the most recent decades have been fueled by China's industrialization (of which one side effect is, funnily enough, pollution).

that was exactly my point.

khazalid wrote:

mrswdk wrote:Who says khaz was mocking anyone? Life expectancy and overall quality of life have risen significantly in China over the past 50 or so years, and the improvements of the most recent decades have been fueled by China's industrialization (of which one side effect is, funnily enough, pollution).

that was exactly my point.

Indeed. I was just spelling it out for the numb skulls.

khazalid wrote:*this post was sponsored by the incarcerated wailings and gnashings of mrswdk*

And that's my point :V