Conquer Club

We must support Tibet, and call upon China to respect fundamental human rights both in Tibet and within China.

Where would you rank "support Tibet" in terms of most important campaign pledges you're planning to make? More important than, say, immigration reform (specifically, within the borders of the United States of America). More important than American minimum wages? Just wondering. Calling out China just feels random, and seems like a play out of Trump's book.

Bollocks in 2015.

Serbia wrote:Where would you rank "support Tibet" in terms of most important campaign pledges you're planning to make? More important than, say, immigration reform (specifically, within the borders of the United States of America). More important than American minimum wages? Just wondering. Calling out China just feels random, and seems like a play out of Trump's book.

Bollocks in 2015.

My dear Serbia, I will cover those other subject later on. Please be patient and let's stick to the subject matter.

OK, but is there anything more than just giving speeches that counts for you as "calling on" them to change?

I agree, if China cares at all for human rights in Tibet, then they should really crack down harder on the brutal zealots and greedy thugs that pass for monks over there.

Bernie Sanders wrote:

Serbia wrote:Where would you rank "support Tibet" in terms of most important campaign pledges you're planning to make? More important than, say, immigration reform (specifically, within the borders of the United States of America). More important than American minimum wages? Just wondering. Calling out China just feels random, and seems like a play out of Trump's book.

Bollocks in 2015.

My dear Serbia, I will cover those other subject later on. Please be patient and let's stick to the subject matter.

Not asking you to cover them. I'm asking you to rank this pledge in comparison to other domestic priorities. Is your support of Tibet more important than American immigration reform, American minimum wage discussions, and American education? It's a simple question. I'm certain that your education levels are sufficient enough to provide me a simple answer, are they not?

Bollocks in 2015.

Bernie Sanders wrote:We must support Tibet, and call upon China to respect fundamental human rights both in Tibet and within China.

Let us remember the 100 million natives who lived in the Americas before European imperialism.

Let us support Native American independence.

Serbia wrote:

Bernie Sanders wrote:

Serbia wrote:Where would you rank "support Tibet" in terms of most important campaign pledges you're planning to make? More important than, say, immigration reform (specifically, within the borders of the United States of America). More important than American minimum wages? Just wondering. Calling out China just feels random, and seems like a play out of Trump's book.

Bollocks in 2015.

My dear Serbia, I will cover those other subject later on. Please be patient and let's stick to the subject matter.

Not asking you to cover them. I'm asking you to rank this pledge in comparison to other domestic priorities. Is your support of Tibet more important than American immigration reform, American minimum wage discussions, and American education? It's a simple question. I'm certain that your education levels are sufficient enough to provide me a simple answer, are they not?

Bollocks in 2015.

Let's start with my number 1 priority. "It's the economy stupid", remember that quote? It still applies. We do need to include education with our economy.
"Education should be a right, not a privilege. We need a revolution in the way that the United States funds higher education."

Bernie Sanders wrote:Education should be a right, not a privilege.

But not for Ay-rabs, AMIRITE?

Checkpoints, as well as a vast network of settler-only roads have contributed to the cantonisation of the West Bank, creating an archipelago of disparate Palestinian universities and communities, with highly restricted freedom of movement. The impact on education has been dramatic, as students often choose to study at their local university rather than face a gruelling daily commute. The localization of Palestinian universities, a clear manifestation of the infrastructure of military occupation, impacts the quality of higher education at Palestinian institutions.

http://mondoweiss.net/2013/01/palestini ... DtKoy.dpuf

/ wrote:I agree, if China cares at all for human rights in Tibet, then they should really crack down harder on the brutal zealots and greedy thugs that pass for monks over there.

I agree. Bernie must show his respect by human rights by publicly stating that he will never meet with the Dalai Lama, the man who makes monks set themselves on fire to further his own agenda.

Bernie Sanders wrote:

Serbia wrote:

Bernie Sanders wrote:

Serbia wrote:Where would you rank "support Tibet" in terms of most important campaign pledges you're planning to make? More important than, say, immigration reform (specifically, within the borders of the United States of America). More important than American minimum wages? Just wondering. Calling out China just feels random, and seems like a play out of Trump's book.

Bollocks in 2015.

My dear Serbia, I will cover those other subject later on. Please be patient and let's stick to the subject matter.

Not asking you to cover them. I'm asking you to rank this pledge in comparison to other domestic priorities. Is your support of Tibet more important than American immigration reform, American minimum wage discussions, and American education? It's a simple question. I'm certain that your education levels are sufficient enough to provide me a simple answer, are they not?

Bollocks in 2015.

Let's start with my number 1 priority. "It's the economy stupid", remember that quote? It still applies. We do need to include education with our economy.
"Education should be a right, not a privilege. We need a revolution in the way that the United States funds higher education."

We're getting closer to an answer. So, a Free Tibet is less important than American education reform? Can I quote you on that?
Now, how about American immigration reform, and American minimum wage discussions? Where do they rate compared to a Free Tibet on your list?

Bollocks in 2015.

Serbia wrote:

Bernie Sanders wrote:

Serbia wrote:

Bernie Sanders wrote:

Serbia wrote:Where would you rank "support Tibet" in terms of most important campaign pledges you're planning to make? More important than, say, immigration reform (specifically, within the borders of the United States of America). More important than American minimum wages? Just wondering. Calling out China just feels random, and seems like a play out of Trump's book.

Bollocks in 2015.

My dear Serbia, I will cover those other subject later on. Please be patient and let's stick to the subject matter.

Not asking you to cover them. I'm asking you to rank this pledge in comparison to other domestic priorities. Is your support of Tibet more important than American immigration reform, American minimum wage discussions, and American education? It's a simple question. I'm certain that your education levels are sufficient enough to provide me a simple answer, are they not?

Bollocks in 2015.

Let's start with my number 1 priority. "It's the economy stupid", remember that quote? It still applies. We do need to include education with our economy.
"Education should be a right, not a privilege. We need a revolution in the way that the United States funds higher education."

We're getting closer to an answer. So, a Free Tibet is less important than American education reform? Can I quote you on that?
Now, how about American immigration reform, and American minimum wage discussions? Where do they rate compared to a Free Tibet on your list?

Bollocks in 2015.

Apples and oranges, my dear Serbia.
Let's stick to the subject.

Serbia wrote:We're getting closer to an answer. So, a Free Tibet is less important than American education reform? Can I quote you on that?
Now, how about American immigration reform, and American minimum wage discussions? Where do they rate compared to a Free Tibet on your list?

Bollocks in 2015.

Apparently in Serbia's view of the presidency, the entire executive branch all has to be working on one thing at a time. And they just start from the top of the priority list and work down from there.

saxitoxin wrote:

Bernie Sanders wrote:Education should be a right, not a privilege.

But not for Ay-rabs, AMIRITE?

Checkpoints, as well as a vast network of settler-only roads have contributed to the cantonisation of the West Bank, creating an archipelago of disparate Palestinian universities and communities, with highly restricted freedom of movement. The impact on education has been dramatic, as students often choose to study at their local university rather than face a gruelling daily commute. The localization of Palestinian universities, a clear manifestation of the infrastructure of military occupation, impacts the quality of higher education at Palestinian institutions.

http://mondoweiss.net/2013/01/palestini ... DtKoy.dpuf

I think Arab men and women should all have equal access to quality education.

Too bad fundamentalist Muslims don't agree with me.

jimboston wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

Bernie Sanders wrote:Education should be a right, not a privilege.

But not for Ay-rabs, AMIRITE?

Checkpoints, as well as a vast network of settler-only roads have contributed to the cantonisation of the West Bank, creating an archipelago of disparate Palestinian universities and communities, with highly restricted freedom of movement. The impact on education has been dramatic, as students often choose to study at their local university rather than face a gruelling daily commute. The localization of Palestinian universities, a clear manifestation of the infrastructure of military occupation, impacts the quality of higher education at Palestinian institutions.

http://mondoweiss.net/2013/01/palestini ... DtKoy.dpuf

I think Arab men and women should all have equal access to quality education.

Too bad fundamentalist Muslims don't agree with me.

Yes, good thing the Palestinian Authority is a secular, non-religious government that has publicly stated support for equal rights for men and women.

All public schools operated by the Palestinian Authority are mixed-gender schools consisting of both boys and girls. In the PA-controlled portion of the State of Palestine, women have an 87% literacy rate and 97% participation in primary education; 17% of students at university are women. Further:

- Two of the 10 cabinet ministers in the PA government are women (20%) compared to 3 of 21 cabinet ministers in the Israeli government (13%).

- The constitution of the State of Palestine requires a minimum of 20% of members of parliament be women, and there are discussions under way to raise the minimum quota to 30%. There is no quota in the Israeli Knesset and it is legally permissible to have zero women.

- Hanan Ashrawi, a Christian and one of several female members of the Executive Council of the PLO, has a Ph.D. in Comparative Literature from the University of Virginia. There are no women who have PhDs on the Executive of Netanyahu's Likud Party ... because there are no women.

saxitoxin wrote:

jimboston wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

Bernie Sanders wrote:Education should be a right, not a privilege.

But not for Ay-rabs, AMIRITE?

Checkpoints, as well as a vast network of settler-only roads have contributed to the cantonisation of the West Bank, creating an archipelago of disparate Palestinian universities and communities, with highly restricted freedom of movement. The impact on education has been dramatic, as students often choose to study at their local university rather than face a gruelling daily commute. The localization of Palestinian universities, a clear manifestation of the infrastructure of military occupation, impacts the quality of higher education at Palestinian institutions.

http://mondoweiss.net/2013/01/palestini ... DtKoy.dpuf

I think Arab men and women should all have equal access to quality education.

Too bad fundamentalist Muslims don't agree with me.

Yes, good thing the Palestinian Authority is a secular, non-religious government that has publicly stated support for equal rights for men and women.

All public schools operated by the Palestinian Authority are mixed-gender schools consisting of both boys and girls. In the PA-controlled portion of the State of Palestine, women have an 87% literacy rate and 97% participation in primary education; 17% of students at university are women. Further:

- Two of the 10 cabinet ministers in the PA government are women (20%) compared to 3 of 21 cabinet ministers in the Israeli government (13%).

- The constitution of the State of Palestine requires a minimum of 20% of members of parliament be women, and there are discussions under way to raise the minimum quota to 30%. There is no quota in the Israeli Knesset and it is legally permissible to have zero women.

- Hanan Ashrawi, a Christian and one of several female members of the Executive Council of the PLO, has a Ph.D. in Comparative Literature from the University of Virginia. There are no women who have PhDs on the Executive of Netanyahu's Likud Party ... because there are no women.

The Palestinian Authority has moderated it's position over time to gain Western acceptance.
(I'm not saying that's a bad thing. Just stating a fact.)

The PA is not the only official ruling body of Palestinian people (i.e. Hamas).

Additionally, the stated position of any Government is not necessarily the same on its' private position, nor is it necessarily the same as the position of its' people or the position of the primary religion of its' people.

Finally, and most importantly...
If you notice my comment was related to "fundamentalist Muslims". Not the Palestinian gov't.

You used the example of the West Bank to suggest that Bernie must be against Arabs receiving an education. I used a comment about "fundamentalist Muslims" to suggest that it's more probable that many Arabs are opposed to all Arabs receiving an education.

jimboston wrote:The PA is not the only official ruling body of Palestinian people (i.e. Hamas).

Hamas does not have any legal authority, therefore it is not "official."

Its authority is de facto over a small sliver of territory containing a minority of the population in the same way Warren Jeffs has de facto authority over a small sliver of territory in Texas that contains a minority of the American population. I would not say "Warren Jeffs is one of the official rulers of the American people."

jimboston wrote:If you notice my comment was related to "fundamentalist Muslims". Not the Palestinian gov't.

You were responding to my comment which was about the State of Palestine.

jimboston wrote:You used the example of the West Bank to suggest that Bernie must be against Arabs receiving an education. I used a comment about "fundamentalist Muslims" to suggest that it's more probable that many Arabs are opposed to all Arabs receiving an education.

Not all Arabs are Muslim and not all Muslims are Arabs.

Arab Christians have come under punishing attack by Israel, including having their churches burned down and people rounded up without trial as they are not part of the ruling ethnicity ordained by the apartheid constitution of the radical ethno-religious "state" of Israel.

- Chris Bandak, the deputy commander of the Brigades of the Martyrs of the Al-Aqsa Mosque, is Christian.
- Dmitri Dalyani, a member of the Fatah Revolutionary Council, is Christian.
- The highest ranking female within the PLO is a Christian.
- The founder of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine was a Christian.
- The founder of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine was a Christian.
- Janet Mikhail, the mayor of Ramallah - de facto capital of the State of Palestine, is a Christian (and woman).
- Vera Baboun, the current mayor of the PA-controlled city of Bethlehem is a Christian (and woman).
And so on and so forth.

And, contrary to your position, this is not new. Here's an article from 1981, quoting as follows:

"Then," he said, "they learn about our own special situation -- they learn our enemies are Israeli imperialism -- they learn our main goal is to build a Palestinian nonsectarian state with Christians, Jews, and Muslims."

http://www.csmonitor.com/1981/0731/073132.html

The Enemy has tried to paint this as a battle between two religions (Islam and Judaism) as part of their propaganda war when, in fact, it is a battle between Secularism (represented by Palestine) vs Fundamentalist End-Times Eye-Popping Crazy, Rolling on the Floor and Frothing at the Mouth Judaism (represented by Israel and Bernie Sanders/Inklosed).*


Chris Bandak - deputy commander of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades ... CHRISTIAN!

* as opposed to mainstream Judaism

Bernie Sanders wrote:We must support Tibet, and call upon China to respect fundamental human rights both in Tibet and within China.

Why?

Saxi, once again you distort and bend the facts.

My positions are clear:

“The hatred, violence and loss of life that define this conflict make living an ordinary life a constant struggle for both peoples. We must work with those Israeli and Palestinian leaders who are committed to peace, security and statehood rather than to empty rhetoric and violence. A two-state solution must include compromises from both sides to achieve a fair and lasting peace in the region. The Palestinians must fulfill their responsibilities to end terrorism against Israel and recognize Israel’s right to exist. In return, the Israelis must end their policy of targeted killings, prevent further Israeli settlements on Palestinian land and prevent the destruction of Palestinian homes, businesses and infrastructure.”

Bernie Sanders wrote:My positions are clear:

Your clear positions are what progressives and peace-loving people around the world object to.

Bernie Sanders wrote:“The hatred, violence and loss of life that define this conflict make living an ordinary life a constant struggle for both peoples. We must work with those Israeli and Palestinian leaders who are committed to peace, security and statehood rather than to empty rhetoric and violence. A two-state solution must include compromises from both sides to achieve a fair and lasting peace in the region. The Palestinians must fulfill their responsibilities to end terrorism against Israel and recognize Israel’s right to exist. In return, the Israelis must end their policy of targeted killings, prevent further Israeli settlements on Palestinian land and prevent the destruction of Palestinian homes, businesses and infrastructure.”

You continue to refuse to call on Israel to abandon its current, illegal settlements in the West Bank. You support the "grab as much as we can before the door closes" approach. You voted for the unanimous consent resolution in 2014 that support Israel as it savagely killed more than 2400 Palestinian women and children. You have never voted to defund U.S. guns and bombs to the right-wing Netanyahu regime.

Contrast this to Jeremy Corbyn, the next prime minister of Great Britain and the leader of a founding party of the Socialist International:

saxitoxin wrote:blah, blah, blah

You state facts which are often true... but those facts are unrelated to the original point.

You bad mouth a person (i.e. bernie) by using an unrelated fact... then you bad mouth me for using an unrelated fact to point out that you had just done the same.

Interesting tactic.

Your Trolling doesn't work on me. Sorry.

jimboston wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:blah, blah, blah

You state facts which are often true

I stopped reading here.

saxitoxin wrote:

jimboston wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:blah, blah, blah

You state facts which are often true

I stopped reading here.

Now you state lies.

Kinda funny... but not true.

If you are willing to lie to make a point, how can anyone believe anything you state?

Bernie Sanders wrote:We must support Tibet, and call upon China to respect fundamental human rights both in Tibet and within China.

Can your country(US) force China to do it? If your country cant shut a f*ck up.

GoranZ wrote:

Bernie Sanders wrote:We must support Tibet, and call upon China to respect fundamental human rights both in Tibet and within China.

Can your country(US) force China to do it? If your country cant shut a f*ck up.

Saying nothing is worse.