Conquer Club

Powerful message for the believers, if they can understand it

What believing in God does to your brain?

Believing is not the problem,the problem is mankind's willingness to blindly follow a humans interpretation of what the creator thinks or wants.

Following that path is what has brought us to today and all that is going on.

jgordon1111 wrote:Believing is not the problem,the problem is mankind's willingness to blindly follow a humans interpretation of what the creator thinks or wants.

Following that path is what has brought us to today and all that is going on.

and unfortunately it doesn't just pertain to creators

waauw wrote:

jgordon1111 wrote:Believing is not the problem,the problem is mankind's willingness to blindly follow a humans interpretation of what the creator thinks or wants.

Following that path is what has brought us to today and all that is going on.

and unfortunately it doesn't just pertain to creators

Actually waauw, all of it can be traced straight back to religious ideaology, and what each religion claims are distinct views and desires of their GOD no matter what name they use, it is all the same deity, and that is why I say Creator, rather than Yahweh,jehova,RA,Allah,Qi, or any other version that anyone else puts forth, they are all the same, used by greedy humans to control other humans to fufill their own personal desires and agendas,

jgordon1111 wrote:

waauw wrote:

jgordon1111 wrote:Believing is not the problem,the problem is mankind's willingness to blindly follow a humans interpretation of what the creator thinks or wants.

Following that path is what has brought us to today and all that is going on.

and unfortunately it doesn't just pertain to creators

Actually waauw, all of it can be traced straight back to religious ideaology, and what each religion claims are distinct views and desires of their GOD no matter what name they use, it is all the same deity, and that is why I say Creator, rather than Yahweh,jehova,RA,Allah,Qi, or any other version that anyone else puts forth, they are all the same, used by greedy humans to control other humans to fufill their own personal desires and agendas,

I mean. People also blindly follow political and military leaders as well.

Wow.
Way to go China.
40-49 percent atheism
That's impressive.

government imposed atheism, EG. soo, not really...

riskllama wrote:government imposed atheism, EG. soo, not really...

Lol not since 1978.

This policy relaxed considerably in the late 1970s at the end of the Cultural Revolution and more tolerance of religious expression has been permitted since. Since 1978, the Constitution of the People's Republic of China guarantees "freedom of religion".

waauw wrote:

jgordon1111 wrote:

waauw wrote:

jgordon1111 wrote:Believing is not the problem,the problem is mankind's willingness to blindly follow a humans interpretation of what the creator thinks or wants.

Following that path is what has brought us to today and all that is going on.

and unfortunately it doesn't just pertain to creators

Actually waauw, all of it can be traced straight back to religious ideaology, and what each religion claims are distinct views and desires of their GOD no matter what name they use, it is all the same deity, and that is why I say Creator, rather than Yahweh,jehova,RA,Allah,Qi, or any other version that anyone else puts forth, they are all the same, used by greedy humans to control other humans to fufill their own personal desires and agendas,

I mean. People also blindly follow political and military leaders as well.

Again I point to my previous statement, or do you imagine that political leaders just spout from rock's or something, brand new with no religious views, military leaders also have biases, why do you think certain promotions in the military are considered political?

jgordon1111 wrote:

waauw wrote:

jgordon1111 wrote:

waauw wrote:

jgordon1111 wrote:Believing is not the problem,the problem is mankind's willingness to blindly follow a humans interpretation of what the creator thinks or wants.

Following that path is what has brought us to today and all that is going on.

and unfortunately it doesn't just pertain to creators

Actually waauw, all of it can be traced straight back to religious ideaology, and what each religion claims are distinct views and desires of their GOD no matter what name they use, it is all the same deity, and that is why I say Creator, rather than Yahweh,jehova,RA,Allah,Qi, or any other version that anyone else puts forth, they are all the same, used by greedy humans to control other humans to fufill their own personal desires and agendas,

I mean. People also blindly follow political and military leaders as well.

Again I point to my previous statement, or do you imagine that political leaders just spout from rock's or something, brand new with no religious views, military leaders also have biases, why do you think certain promotions in the military are considered political?

Let me get this straight, because I'm not certain I understand you correctly: you're stating that every leader in history had religious views? Including atheist and agnostic leaders?

Understanding Jgordon is an art form that nobody has yet perfected.

waauw wrote:

jgordon1111 wrote:

waauw wrote:

jgordon1111 wrote:

waauw wrote:

jgordon1111 wrote:Believing is not the problem,the problem is mankind's willingness to blindly follow a humans interpretation of what the creator thinks or wants.

Following that path is what has brought us to today and all that is going on.

and unfortunately it doesn't just pertain to creators

Actually waauw, all of it can be traced straight back to religious ideaology, and what each religion claims are distinct views and desires of their GOD no matter what name they use, it is all the same deity, and that is why I say Creator, rather than Yahweh,jehova,RA,Allah,Qi, or any other version that anyone else puts forth, they are all the same, used by greedy humans to control other humans to fufill their own personal desires and agendas,

I mean. People also blindly follow political and military leaders as well.

Again I point to my previous statement, or do you imagine that political leaders just spout from rock's or something, brand new with no religious views, military leaders also have biases, why do you think certain promotions in the military are considered political?

Let me get this straight, because I'm not certain I understand you correctly: you're stating that every leader in history had religious views? Including atheist and agnostic leaders?

I don't know about ALL,impossible to say all or exactly which,but a vast majority yes, every nation on this planet basis there govt on one form of religion or another even the communists, it's the easiest way to control the population, communists are the smart ones about it, forbid it but allow it, thus giving the most sought after thing humans want first HOPE, then everything else, thus keeping them effectively under control

jgordon1111 wrote:Actually waauw, all of it can be traced straight back to religious ideaology

Erm, JG, you saying "all" was kinda how this line of conversation started.

Symmetry wrote:

jgordon1111 wrote:Actually waauw, all of it can be traced straight back to religious ideaology

Erm, JG, you saying "all" was kinda how this line of conversation started.

Lol show verifiable proof where I am incorrect in what I stated in modern times, hell go back as far as you care to, you won't be able to show any nation that wasn't isn't religion based

jgordon1111 wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

jgordon1111 wrote:Actually waauw, all of it can be traced straight back to religious ideaology

Erm, JG, you saying "all" was kinda how this line of conversation started.

Lol show verifiable proof where I am incorrect in what I stated in modern times, hell go back as far as you care to, you won't be able to show any nation that wasn't isn't religion based

jgordon1111 wrote:I don't know about ALL,impossible to say all or exactly which

Which jgordon am I talking to?

Symmetry wrote:

jgordon1111 wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

jgordon1111 wrote:Actually waauw, all of it can be traced straight back to religious ideaology

Erm, JG, you saying "all" was kinda how this line of conversation started.

Lol show verifiable proof where I am incorrect in what I stated in modern times, hell go back as far as you care to, you won't be able to show any nation that wasn't isn't religion based

jgordon1111 wrote:I don't know about ALL,impossible to say all or exactly which

Which jgordon am I talking to?

The one that realized once again just why I don't address you and why, your tiny cerebal function does not allow for grown up discourse, which you keep proving over and over by taking a small part of any conversation and try to make a completely off course statement with it.
Once again you prove exactly to be a small troll of insignificance.

jgordon1111 wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

jgordon1111 wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

jgordon1111 wrote:Actually waauw, all of it can be traced straight back to religious ideaology

Erm, JG, you saying "all" was kinda how this line of conversation started.

Lol show verifiable proof where I am incorrect in what I stated in modern times, hell go back as far as you care to, you won't be able to show any nation that wasn't isn't religion based

jgordon1111 wrote:I don't know about ALL,impossible to say all or exactly which

Which jgordon am I talking to?

The one that realized once again just why I don't address you and why, your tiny cerebal function does not allow for grown up discourse, which you keep proving over and over by taking a small part of any conversation and try to make a completely off course statement with it.
Once again you prove exactly to be a small troll of insignificance.

Dude, your statements contradict each other. Moving the discussion forward requires you to say that one or the other is wrong.

Either you are saying that it's all religious, or you are saying that it's impossible to say that it's all religious.

I'm sorry that you take criticism so poorly, but it ain't trolling to ask you to clarify your argument/

The only point to make is the conversation was 2 parts the part you tried to show me being off on was were waauw asked about military commanders and politicians having religious views, and again I will say not able to say all or which, but certainly a vast majority did and do, and again I will say all nations current and past govts are and were based in religion.

And lastly I will point out you are a lying deceitful little troll who tries to look smart and can't pull it off for the obvious reasons

jgordon1111 wrote:The only point to make is the conversation was 2 parts the part you tried to show me being off on was were waauw asked about military commanders and politicians having religious views, and again I will say not able to say all or which, but certainly a vast majority did and do, and again I will say all nations current and past govts are and were based in religion.

And lastly I will point out you are a lying deceitful little troll who tries to look smart and can't pull it off for the obvious reasons

See, that's a clarification, of sorts. It's a shame that you felt the need to sully such an eloquent discourse with your unfortunate comments.

What's your take on Turkey post-WW1? Mustafa Kemal certainly saw it as a secular project, rather than, as you suggest, a nation based in religion.

GoranZ wrote:Powerful message for the believers, if they can understand it

What believing in God does to your brain?

With an opening comment like that. I'll pass..

Endgame422 wrote:Wow.
Way to go China.
40-49 percent atheism
That's impressive.

http://www.movements.net/2015/06/10/the ... stest.html

2nd fastest growing Christian community ? China

waauw wrote:

riskllama wrote:government imposed atheism, EG. soo, not really...

Lol not since 1978.

This policy relaxed considerably in the late 1970s at the end of the Cultural Revolution and more tolerance of religious expression has been permitted since. Since 1978, the Constitution of the People's Republic of China guarantees "freedom of religion".

Tell that to the monks in Tibet. Tell that to the Uighers.

Here is the definition of Chinese freedom of religion:

Freedom of religion in China is provided for by the country's constitution,[1] with an important caveat: the government protects what it calls "normal religious activity," defined in practice as activities that take place within government-sanctioned religious organizations and registered places of worship. Human rights bodies have criticized this differentiation as falling short of international standards for the protection of religious freedom.

notyou2 wrote:

waauw wrote:

riskllama wrote:government imposed atheism, EG. soo, not really...

Lol not since 1978.

This policy relaxed considerably in the late 1970s at the end of the Cultural Revolution and more tolerance of religious expression has been permitted since. Since 1978, the Constitution of the People's Republic of China guarantees "freedom of religion".

Tell that to the monks in Tibet. Tell that to the Uighers.

Here is the definition of Chinese freedom of religion:

Freedom of religion in China is provided for by the country's constitution,[1] with an important caveat: the government protects what it calls "normal religious activity," defined in practice as activities that take place within government-sanctioned religious organizations and registered places of worship. Human rights bodies have criticized this differentiation as falling short of international standards for the protection of religious freedom.

The Tibetans and Uighers are being suppressed for seperatism and rebellion, not religion. Anyway, it doesn't matter as it's beside my point. What I was contradicting was "government imposed atheism" in China.

waauw wrote:

notyou2 wrote:

waauw wrote:

riskllama wrote:government imposed atheism, EG. soo, not really...

Lol not since 1978.

This policy relaxed considerably in the late 1970s at the end of the Cultural Revolution and more tolerance of religious expression has been permitted since. Since 1978, the Constitution of the People's Republic of China guarantees "freedom of religion".

Tell that to the monks in Tibet. Tell that to the Uighers.

Here is the definition of Chinese freedom of religion:

Freedom of religion in China is provided for by the country's constitution,[1] with an important caveat: the government protects what it calls "normal religious activity," defined in practice as activities that take place within government-sanctioned religious organizations and registered places of worship. Human rights bodies have criticized this differentiation as falling short of international standards for the protection of religious freedom.

The Tibetans and Uighers are being suppressed for seperatism and rebellion, not religion. Anyway, it doesn't matter as it's beside my point. What I was contradicting was "government imposed atheism" in China.

They are rebelling because they are being repressed. DUH!!!!!

notyou2 wrote:

waauw wrote:

notyou2 wrote:

waauw wrote:

riskllama wrote:government imposed atheism, EG. soo, not really...

Lol not since 1978.

This policy relaxed considerably in the late 1970s at the end of the Cultural Revolution and more tolerance of religious expression has been permitted since. Since 1978, the Constitution of the People's Republic of China guarantees "freedom of religion".

Tell that to the monks in Tibet. Tell that to the Uighers.

Here is the definition of Chinese freedom of religion:

Freedom of religion in China is provided for by the country's constitution,[1] with an important caveat: the government protects what it calls "normal religious activity," defined in practice as activities that take place within government-sanctioned religious organizations and registered places of worship. Human rights bodies have criticized this differentiation as falling short of international standards for the protection of religious freedom.

The Tibetans and Uighers are being suppressed for seperatism and rebellion, not religion. Anyway, it doesn't matter as it's beside my point. What I was contradicting was "government imposed atheism" in China.

They are rebelling because they are being repressed. DUH!!!!!

Many Tibetans still see themselves as an occupied nation. That's why they are rebelling. With the Uighers friction lies a lot deeper. The Uigher issue is one of several layers: economic, religious, ethnic and cultural. Many common Han-Chinese discriminate against Uighers, similarly to how europeans discriminate against muslims. It's a clash of cultures. In Uighuristan the issue is even worse than in many other parts of the world. If I remember correctly, about 40% are Han-chinese and another 40% are Uighurs; the remaining 20% are of various central-asian ethnics.

The problem with Uighuristan is that both the Han-Chinese and the Uighers see themselves as different and incompatible with the other.