Conquer Club

Yes they had the right not to help the FBI possibly not keep their home country and the world safe
Now the shoe is on the other foot, screw them with any luck their stock price bottoms out and they go bankrupt

Put the gun down jgordon!

The FBI got access from that phone with the help of hackers. Now the FBI and CIA can eavesdrop on all of us again. Boy, do I feel safe now!

Apple will improve the security of their phones and make billions more! Thank GOD! for that, heh?

Bernie Sanders wrote:Put the gun down jgordon!

The FBI got access from that phone with the help of hackers. Now the FBI and CIA can eavesdrop on all of us again. Boy, do I feel safe now!

Apple will improve the security of their phones and make billions more! Thank GOD! for that, heh?

Your first line in post humorous,

After I left military, promised myself never again to even touch one And remain true to that today.
But lucky for billary ny law different from florida otherwise that clip of here getting mad at Bernie supporter and poking him she would be facing same charges as trump campaign mgr and that would be truly funny to me

i thought this thread involved sexual fantasies with shannon apple.

this is just trolling.

betiko wrote:i thought this thread involved sexual fantasies with shannon apple.

this is just trolling.

And yet betiko here your post is as well, doesn't that make you the troll here ? By definition it does indeed

I'm not sure I understand the OP. As far as I'm aware, Apple hadn't cooperated and thus refused to unlock the phone. Good on them. The FBI still cracked the phone, like everybody said they would, Apple's refusal simply set precedent in refusing illegal searches.

Unless you're arguing that Apple should've cooperated in the name of "security."

-TG

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:I'm not sure I understand the OP. As far as I'm aware, Apple hadn't cooperated and thus refused to unlock the phone. Good on them. The FBI still cracked the phone, like everybody said they would, Apple's refusal simply set precedent in refusing illegal searches.

Unless you're arguing that Apple should've cooperated in the name of "security."

-TG

Sounds like jgordon wants the government to eavesdrop on all Americans.

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:I'm not sure I understand the OP. As far as I'm aware, Apple hadn't cooperated and thus refused to unlock the phone. Good on them. The FBI still cracked the phone, like everybody said they would, Apple's refusal simply set precedent in refusing illegal searches.

Unless you're arguing that Apple should've cooperated in the name of "security."

-TG

The irony is now Apple wants FBI to tell THEM who hacked and how, screw Apple

Repubicans: "government sucks! Don't take away my rights! But don't let gays marry and you can have full access to my personal info"

Army of GOD wrote:Repubicans: "government sucks! Don't take away my rights! But don't let gays marry and you can have full access to my personal info"

Yes the current gov't run by republicans sux, and yes protect constitutional rights, and as I have said before J.Edgar Hoover, took care of any privacy Americans might ever have had, next who cares whether you want to marry your bromance

jgordon1111 wrote:

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:I'm not sure I understand the OP. As far as I'm aware, Apple hadn't cooperated and thus refused to unlock the phone. Good on them. The FBI still cracked the phone, like everybody said they would, Apple's refusal simply set precedent in refusing illegal searches.

Unless you're arguing that Apple should've cooperated in the name of "security."

-TG

The irony is now Apple wants FBI to tell THEM who hacked and how, screw Apple

? Methods of investigation must be detailed in criminal trials. When the FBI brings the case to trial, they have to spill the beans.

And besides, any weakness in iOS would be a liability to Apple, they're perfectly reasonable to request such information. Remember when Sony had their shit hacked? Cost 'em a pretty penny.

Don't get me wrong, there are other reasons to hate Apple, this particular instance simply ain't one of 'em.

-TG

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

? Methods of investigation must be detailed in criminal trials. When the FBI brings the case to trial, they have to spill the beans.

Case to trial? The two shooters are dead, I doubt they'll get tried. If any accomplices are found through the phone the FBI isn't going to have to tell how they did it. Hell, they won't even mention the phone, they'll just have watch the accomplices and find some other probable cause to pin on them.
<shrugs>
The FBI ain't gonna reveal shit on how they did it. Hell, they can just slap a "national security" tag on the process and that's that, no court in the world is going to be able to compel them to disclose anything about it.

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

jgordon1111 wrote:

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:I'm not sure I understand the OP. As far as I'm aware, Apple hadn't cooperated and thus refused to unlock the phone. Good on them. The FBI still cracked the phone, like everybody said they would, Apple's refusal simply set precedent in refusing illegal searches.

Unless you're arguing that Apple should've cooperated in the name of "security."

-TG

The irony is now Apple wants FBI to tell THEM who hacked and how, screw Apple

? Methods of investigation must be detailed in criminal trials. When the FBI brings the case to trial, they have to spill the beans.

And besides, any weakness in iOS would be a liability to Apple, they're perfectly reasonable to request such information. Remember when Sony had their shit hacked? Cost 'em a pretty penny.

Don't get me wrong, there are other reasons to hate Apple, this particular instance simply ain't one of 'em.

-TG

Pay attention T G the FBI was ahead of them on this, that's why they dropped the case with Apple

Next phase is they will say its in the interest of national security not to reveal any info, Apple had their chance to help figure it out, they blew it,screw Apple

patches70 wrote:

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

? Methods of investigation must be detailed in criminal trials. When the FBI brings the case to trial, they have to spill the beans.

Case to trial? The two shooters are dead, I doubt they'll get tried. If any accomplices are found through the phone the FBI isn't going to have to tell how they did it. Hell, they won't even mention the phone, they'll just have watch the accomplices and find some other probable cause to pin on them.
<shrugs>
The FBI ain't gonna reveal shit on how they did it. Hell, they can just slap a "national security" tag on the process and that's that, no court in the world is going to be able to compel them to disclose anything about it.

I haven't really followed the whole thing. I try to avoid the news. I just saw when Apple had denied FBI access. Anyway, all hail the steady erosion of law and process.

jgordon wrote:Pay attention T G the FBI was ahead of them on this, that's why they dropped the case with Apple

Next phase is they will say its in the interest of national security not to reveal any info, Apple had their chance to help figure it out, they blew it,screw Apple

Again, your post makes no sense to me. If the FBI were ahead of the case, why'd they petition Apple in the first place? And how did the FBI drop the case?

You seem to be ignoring my first post. Who gives a shit about the shooters? If Apple bends over for the Feds at their beck and call, it's pretty bad. Would you give a key to your house for the Feds to hold on to because they may want to search it later? No, you demand a warrant. Sure, they'll probably bust your door down and shoot your dog, regardless, but it's the principle of the matter.

Pretty much from what I've gathered is you're a support of the Patriot Act and its successor. Because f*ck law and rights.

-TG

I remember hearing William Bunny say that when a company files for a patent the DOJ can look into the patent. That's why all encryption can be decipher. The DOJ can get into anything once a particular patent is made. So I hear.

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

patches70 wrote:

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

? Methods of investigation must be detailed in criminal trials. When the FBI brings the case to trial, they have to spill the beans.

Case to trial? The two shooters are dead, I doubt they'll get tried. If any accomplices are found through the phone the FBI isn't going to have to tell how they did it. Hell, they won't even mention the phone, they'll just have watch the accomplices and find some other probable cause to pin on them.
<shrugs>
The FBI ain't gonna reveal shit on how they did it. Hell, they can just slap a "national security" tag on the process and that's that, no court in the world is going to be able to compel them to disclose anything about it.

I haven't really followed the whole thing. I try to avoid the news. I just saw when Apple had denied FBI access. Anyway, all hail the steady erosion of law and process.

jgordon wrote:Pay attention T G the FBI was ahead of them on this, that's why they dropped the case with Apple

Next phase is they will say its in the interest of national security not to reveal any info, Apple had their chance to help figure it out, they blew it,screw Apple

Again, your post makes no sense to me. If the FBI were ahead of the case, why'd they petition Apple in the first place? And how did the FBI drop the case?

You seem to be ignoring my first post. Who gives a shit about the shooters? If Apple bends over for the Feds at their beck and call, it's pretty bad. Would you give a key to your house for the Feds to hold on to because they may want to search it later? No, you demand a warrant. Sure, they'll probably bust your door down and shoot your dog, regardless, but it's the principle of the matter.

Pretty much from what I've gathered is you're a support of the Patriot Act and its successor. Because f*ck law and rights.

-TG

Hey ok got you now you don't watch the news, good for you, you must be either a millinial Or a idiot, well ok I suspect your both, but that's ok, and patches and I are two different people, yet you stupidly keep trying to speak to both of us at the same time, we have different points of view dipshit, lay your crack pipe down and focus a moment
Try watching the frigging news not Netflix you might learn something, instead of looking cerebrally challenged, and again privacy went out the window with J.Edgar Hoover, crack a book instead of just smoking crack,you might get ahead of your peers

So you've given keys to your county sheriff as well as the nearest FBI office? You should probably mail one to Quantico, just to be safe.

I'm certainly an idiot, I've learned that long ago. You don't seem to be faring much better.

-TG

I'm not sure what the point of the OP is. I'm all for Apple telling the FBI to go f*ck themselves.
The FBI hacked into the phone anyway <shrugs>. The FBI is just doing what all other criminals are doing/trying to do, break privacy to gain information.
I'm all for stopping "terrorists", I'm not all for stopping terrorists at all costs though. That said, anyone who thinks they have any privacy when using modern devices are probably being a bit naive. There are ways around it of course. But thinking the government has the right to get into any of our private data and justifying with "keep our homeland safe" is just crazy. The worst thing a terrorist can do to me is kill me and the chances of that happening are pretty damn slim. So slim it doesn't worry me at all.
The government on the other hand, not only can they kill me, they can toss me in prison, take everything I own, blacklist, bully, harass, coerce, blackmail or any combination of the above. At least with the "terrorists" I know where they're coming from. The government on the other hand is the biggest, baddest mob that makes the mafia look like a bunch of boy scouts.
At least I can stay away from mafia business or stay away from countries where "terrorists" are more likely to kill me but I can't get through life without having to interact with government on some level virtually every single day.

So in cases of the likes in the OP, screw the government and their "we gotta protect the homelandz!" stuff. It's all bullshit designed to scare people into submitting to whatever the bureaucracy wants.

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:So you've given keys to your county sheriff as well as the nearest FBI office? You should probably mail one to Quantico, just to be safe.

I'm certainly an idiot, I've learned that long ago. You don't seem to be faring much better.

-TG

Dude the lesson is your privacy is an illusion, and has been for a very long time even before the patriot act wake up and see the obvious, when the gov't wants info its at their fingertips how do you think they miraculously find certain criminals or terrorists, if you think someone is ratting each of them out your wrong, example nothing happens for years with these guys then suddenly election year rolls around and Osama bin laden found but killed, nothing again for years here comes the election the number two finance man for Isis found and killed, guaranteed if republicans look like they are going to win, some other Isis head honcho will be killed in a blast that leaves no evidence of his remains

Wow everyone went silent

jgordon1111 wrote:

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:So you've given keys to your county sheriff as well as the nearest FBI office? You should probably mail one to Quantico, just to be safe.

I'm certainly an idiot, I've learned that long ago. You don't seem to be faring much better.

-TG

Dude the lesson is your privacy is an illusion, and has been for a very long time even before the patriot act wake up and see the obvious, when the gov't wants info its at their fingertips how do you think they miraculously find certain criminals or terrorists, if you think someone is ratting each of them out your wrong, example nothing happens for years with these guys then suddenly election year rolls around and Osama bin laden found but killed, nothing again for years here comes the election the number two finance man for Isis found and killed, guaranteed if republicans look like they are going to win, some other Isis head honcho will be killed in a blast that leaves no evidence of his remains

That isn't news, and doesn't detract from my point. Apple should tell the FBI where to stick it, just like a woman about to get raped should fight back. Sure, it's most likely that bad shit's gonna happen, but there must be at least some attempt at process. It's one thing to be a realist or pragmatist, it's another to be a pushover.

-TG

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

jgordon1111 wrote:

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:So you've given keys to your county sheriff as well as the nearest FBI office? You should probably mail one to Quantico, just to be safe.

I'm certainly an idiot, I've learned that long ago. You don't seem to be faring much better.

-TG

Dude the lesson is your privacy is an illusion, and has been for a very long time even before the patriot act wake up and see the obvious, when the gov't wants info its at their fingertips how do you think they miraculously find certain criminals or terrorists, if you think someone is ratting each of them out your wrong, example nothing happens for years with these guys then suddenly election year rolls around and Osama bin laden found but killed, nothing again for years here comes the election the number two finance man for Isis found and killed, guaranteed if republicans look like they are going to win, some other Isis head honcho will be killed in a blast that leaves no evidence of his remains

That isn't news, and doesn't detract from my point. Apple should tell the FBI where to stick it, just like a woman about to get raped should fight back. Sure, it's most likely that bad shit's gonna happen, but there must be at least some attempt at process. It's one thing to be a realist or pragmatist, it's another to be a pushover.

-TG

Pushover I ain't, read what I have said, I thought I was clear, maybe not so i will try again

1 Yes Apple had every right to tell FBI no
2 once they said no they gave up the right or expectations of the FBI telling them who or how they got in,
3 again anyone who thinks they have privacy is sadly mistaken,why do you think your cell phone has GPS that can't be disabled,if your still under the belief it is entirely for you or your families benefit, errr uhmmm wrong, and who doesn't use cell phones or internet nowdays, senior citizens some of them still maybe, other than that you are tracked every minute of everyday, who, what,when,where,how, and why.
Example how do you think they know how many people watched what show which night.if you think they are guessing, wrong again. That's how they get ratings and decide if to cancel a show or not, and they have been doing that since 1950's, still think you have privacy? Or the gov't really needed help to find out what they already know and who to reach out to if they missed something,

4 suggestion here put the phone down and learn not to carry it with you and never use it to look up anything on it or put personal,bank info, or anything you don't want generally known out there, make whoever work for info if they want it

The FBI didn't need Apple's help to get in to the phone. They never did. They wanted a legal precedent. Apple called them out.

End of.