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China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:22 pm
by DoomYoshi
Since mrswdk isn't here, we can get a thunderous applause for the Taiwanese National Defense.

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/taiwan-scrambles-jets-and-ships-after-chinese-aircraft-carrier-and-warships-enter

Taiwan’s top policymaker for China affairs on Wednesday urged Beijing to resume dialogue with Taipei, after official communication channels were halted by Beijing from June.

“I want to emphasise our government has sufficient capability to protect our national security. It’s not necessary to overly panic,” said Ms Chang Hsiao-yueh, minister for Taiwan’s Mainland Affairs Council, during a news briefing in response to reporters’ questions on the Liaoning’s movements. “On the other hand, any threats would not benefit cross-strait ties,” she said.

Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:12 pm
by macbone
It's debatable whether China could Taiwan outright or not. They do have a sizable advantage, but Taiwan's not defenseless. However, China's not stupid. They won't risk all-out war with the US as long as there's a possibility of reprisal. If the leadership in China changes and becomes more hardline, though, it's a possibility.

http://www.businessinsider.com/what-a-c ... ike-2014-6

A Pentagon report to Congress on China's military capabilities delves into one of international politics' perennial nightmare scenarios: what if China decided to retake the island of Taiwan by force?

This grim thought experiment appears in the Defense Department's annual report on "Military and Security Developments Involving the People’s Republic of China." Taiwan has been governed separately from mainland China ever since the Chinese civil war in the late 1940s. Under U.S. law, Taiwan is still a part of China — even though American relations with the country are close to what they would be with any other independent state. In 2011, for instance, Taiwan was the world's largest purchaser of U.S. defense items and services, and the island has bought over $12 billion in American weapons systems since 2010.

The Pentagon report acknowledges that a Chinese invasion of the island is unlikely at the moment. The U.S., which has active economic, political, and military ties with both countries, has played a successful balancing role in the dispute for over 40 years. More recently, the election of a less hardline-nationalist government in Taipei has smoothed over cross-Strait relations. Overall, "China appears prepared to defer the use of force as long as it believes that unification over the long term remains possible and the costs of conflict outweigh the benefits."

Here's what might happen if that calculation changes.

The blockade option. "[People's Liberation Army] writings describe potential alternative solutions" to a traditional amphibious invasion, one involving "air blockades, missile attacks, and mining to force capitulation." China could divert Taiwan-bound ships to mainland ports or "attempt the equivalent of a blockade by declaring exercise or missile closure areas in approaches to ports," a method the Chinese army actually toyed with in the mid-90s.

China has a substantial naval advantage over Taiwan if it wanted to choke off the island:

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"China today probably could not enforce a full military blockade" against Taiwan, the report states. "However, its ability to do so will improve significantly over the next five to ten years."

Asymmetric warfare. China could opt for a campaign of small-scale military strikes, intelligence operations, and cyber attacks designed to undermine the fabric of Taiwanese society. "Such a campaign could include computer network or limited kinetic attacks against Taiwan’s political, military, and economic infrastructure to induce fear in Taiwan and degrade the populace’s confidence in the Taiwan leadership," the report states.

War from the air. The entire island sits within range of Chinese surface to air and short-range ballistic missile systems:

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Constant air attacks could "degrade Taiwan’s defenses, neutralize Taiwan’s leadership, or break the Taiwan people’s will to fight."

A full-scale invasion. Chinese military thinkers have published numerous texts thinking through the realities of an amphibious landing in Taiwan. One, entitled the Joint Island Landing Campaign, "envisions a complex operation relying on coordinated, interlocking campaigns for logistics, air, and naval support, and electronic warfare."

The report doesn't think that an invasion is necessarily within China's current capabilities, and notes that China is mindful of the international scorn that such aggression would invite. But China could seize smaller inhabited Islands that Taiwan claims. And the country maintains numerous military assets in and around the Strait:

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And if China establishes a beach head, it would enjoy a substantial manpower advantage over the Taiwanese military: China has 400,000 troops positioned around the Strait, compared to 130,000 total combat soldiers in Taiwan's standing army.

A war in the Straits of Taiwan would pit a major purchaser of U.S. weapons — and a democratic ally — against one of the largest militaries on earth and the world's biggest foreign holder of U.S. debt. It would trigger a crisis in East Asia that could unspool for years and even decades. Depending on the U.S.'s reaction, a Taiwan escalation could lead to other flare-ups throughout the South China Sea as American allies lose trust in Washington's security assurances and try to counter an increasingly-aggressive Beijing.

A major Chinese escalation in the Strait isn't terribly likely in the near future. But it's just possible enough — and the consequences are potentially catastrophic enough — to worry U.S. policymakers.

Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:32 pm
by mrswdk
macbone wrote:They won't risk all-out war with the US as long as there's a possibility of reprisal.


The US doesn't even have the stomach to pick a fight with the Syrian government, which spends about $2.5 billion a year on its entire military. What makes you think they have the stomach to enter open conflict with the $113 billion a year Chinese military, for the sole purpose of preventing a country split by civil war from reunifying?

Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:55 pm
by riskllama
for the glorification of Trumps massive ego, duh. way too many chinesse, anyways...

Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:39 pm
by DoomYoshi
mrswdk wrote:
macbone wrote:They won't risk all-out war with the US as long as there's a possibility of reprisal.


The US doesn't even have the stomach to pick a fight with the Syrian government, which spends about $2.5 billion a year on its entire military. What makes you think they have the stomach to enter open conflict with the $113 billion a year Chinese military, for the sole purpose of preventing a country split by civil war from reunifying?


Ah! So you finally accept Taiwan's government as the legitimate one.

Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:47 pm
by riskllama
DY wins this thread & every future thread mrs starts regarding china.

Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:08 pm
by mrswdk
DY wins nothing.

Bring it on, Orange Soda!

Arise, ye who refuse to be slaves!
With our flesh and blood, let us build a new Great Wall!
As China faces its greatest peril
From each one the urgent call to action comes forth.
Arise! Arise! Arise!
Millions of but one heart
Braving the enemies' fire! March on!
Braving the enemies' fire! March on!
March on! March, march on!



Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:13 pm
by Symmetry
MR, you're embarassing yourself. This is on the level of that time you tried to talk about British politics. Give up, dude. You just look silly.

Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:17 pm
by mrswdk
Says the guy who didn't even know which politicians constitute the British Government.

I saw the UK moved its two operational warships to SE Asia recently. Hopefully when the rain of fire starts, they won't feel compelled to wander over and get caught up in it themselves :<

Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:18 pm
by mrswdk
I'm kidding, ofc they won't. Not when 60% of the UK's GDP is Chinese investment ^0^

Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:20 pm
by Symmetry
Hmm, two posts? You're making a fool of yourself over this again unecessarily, MR. All you need to do is accept that you know nothing- wisdom will follow.

Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:26 pm
by mrswdk
You know, if you really believed I'm a guy who has a female identity, yet chose to disrespect that by making a point of calling me Mr, you'd be trashing the LGBT identity of literally the only other LGBT member of this forum. Not very gay of you.

Not that it matters, because even though you so clearly don't wish it, I am in fact a powerful and elegant Beijing woman. You know it, I know it, e'erbody knows it. 你快过来,保证我不会打死你呀 ^_^

Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:36 pm
by Symmetry
mrswdk wrote:You know, if you really believed I'm a guy who has a female identity, yet chose to disrespect that by making a point of calling me Mr, you'd be trashing the LGBT identity of literally the only other LGBT member of this forum. Not very gay of you.

Not that it matters, because even though you so clearly don't wish it, I am in fact a powerful and elegant Beijing woman. You know it, I know it, e'erbody knows it. 你快过来,保证我不会打死你呀 ^_^


Why couldn't you get a job in the UK?

Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:40 pm
by mrswdk
lolwut. Where'd that come from?

Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:43 pm
by Symmetry
mrswdk wrote:lolwut. Where'd that come from?


Serious question- why couldn't you? No need to act all defensive.

Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:49 pm
by mrswdk
I'm curious what makes you think I don't have a job in the UK. U think me no speak Engrish to finding job meh? Think Chinese only can smoking opium and grow rice?

Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:54 pm
by Symmetry
mrswdk wrote:I'm curious what makes you think I don't have a job in the UK. U think me no speak Engrish to finding job meh? Think Chinese only can smoking opium and grow rice?


What's your job in the UK?

Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:59 pm
by mrswdk
Like I'm gonna tell you that and then find you stalking me on LinkedIn.

I'm a consultant, working in a field where people sometimes use consultants. Interrogation over.

Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:20 pm
by Symmetry
mrswdk wrote:Like I'm gonna tell you that and then find you stalking me on LinkedIn.

I'm a consultant, working in a field where people sometimes use consultants. Interrogation over.


To be fair, I asked nicely.

My first draft was:

What do you do in the UK, besides delete your internet history?

I think I could have made that pithier, though.

Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:21 pm
by mrswdk
If you use Incognito you don't need to delete your history bruh.

Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:36 pm
by Symmetry
mrswdk wrote:If you use Incognito you don't need to delete your history bruh.


Shoulda asked the expert.

Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:00 am
by mrswdk
That's right, I am an expert. And this expert says:

Arise, ye who refuse to be slaves!
With our flesh and blood, let us build a new Great Wall!
As China faces its greatest peril
From each one the urgent call to action comes forth.
Arise! Arise! Arise!
Millions of but one heart
Braving the enemies' fire! March on!
Braving the enemies' fire! March on!
March on! March, march on!



Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:55 am
by eddie2
mrswdk wrote:Like I'm gonna tell you that and then find you stalking me on LinkedIn.

I'm a consultant, working in a field where people sometimes use consultants. Interrogation over.


Lol like James j says to Kim.

Go do some cleaning

Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:21 pm
by Bernie Sanders
mrswdk wrote:That's right, I am an expert. And this expert says:

Arise, ye who refuse to be slaves!
With our flesh and blood, let us build a new Great Wall!
As China faces its greatest peril
From each one the urgent call to action comes forth.
Arise! Arise! Arise!
Millions of but one heart
Braving the enemies' fire! March on!
Braving the enemies' fire! March on!
March on! March, march on!




They'll be a Billion Chinese starving when Trump is finish destroying the Chinese economy.

Guys invest in India now. Once Trump puts a 35% tariff on Chinese goods, we will start buying from a true democracy.

Re: China tries to invade Taiwan!!!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:24 pm
by Symmetry
eddie2 wrote:
mrswdk wrote:Like I'm gonna tell you that and then find you stalking me on LinkedIn.

I'm a consultant, working in a field where people sometimes use consultants. Interrogation over.


Lol like James j says to Kim.

Go do some cleaning


After they made that "To Catch a Predator" series, people like Mrdwk have become much more wary.