Conquer Club

The tyrant from Bosporus, Symmetrys friend, is going one step further at his blunting of the Turkish people.

Turkish schoolchildren will no longer be taught about evolution, a government official has said, in another sign of the conservative direction the country is heading in under President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
Alpaslan Durmus, the head of curriculum for the ministry of education, said that Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution was “controversial” and would be removed from school programmes by 2019.

Turkey will stop teaching evolution in schools, education ministry says

Turkey in EU... not in this lifetime.

No biggie. Lots of right wing Republicans want to turn Amerikkka into a Christian Theological Nation.

Let the Monkey trials begin!

Absolutely despicable. Only a matter of time before they become just another Shariah-law nation. Europe would do well to support Kurds and Atatürk-supporters in revolution against that menace. We might even have to prepare for military intervention. Erdogan is a major disaster in waiting.

waauw wrote:Absolutely despicable. Only a matter of time before they become just another Shariah-law nation. Europe would do well to support Kurds and Atatürk-supporters in revolution against that menace. We might even have to prepare for military intervention. Erdogan is a major disaster in waiting.

Military intervention really? Who's going to lead this military invasion?

Bernie Sanders wrote:

waauw wrote:Absolutely despicable. Only a matter of time before they become just another Shariah-law nation. Europe would do well to support Kurds and Atatürk-supporters in revolution against that menace. We might even have to prepare for military intervention. Erdogan is a major disaster in waiting.

Military intervention really? Who's going to lead this military invasion?

Unlike the US invading Iraq or Afghanistan, Turkey is of vital geopolitical importance to the entire european continent. It holds the key to the black sea and it is the pass-through hub for any pipelines from the middle east and central asia. Erdogan is increasingly aggressive towards europe and should be counted as a menace.

When you are in a situation where you have to hope a nation will not go completely rogue on you, but the person you are counting on is called Recep Erdogan, you better be wary.

waauw wrote:

Bernie Sanders wrote:

waauw wrote:Absolutely despicable. Only a matter of time before they become just another Shariah-law nation. Europe would do well to support Kurds and Atatürk-supporters in revolution against that menace. We might even have to prepare for military intervention. Erdogan is a major disaster in waiting.

Military intervention really? Who's going to lead this military invasion?

Unlike the US invading Iraq or Afghanistan, Turkey is of vital geopolitical importance to the entire european continent. It holds the key to the black sea and it is the pass-through hub for any pipelines from the middle east and central asia. Erdogan is increasingly aggressive towards europe and should be counted as a menace.

When you are in a situation where you have to hope a nation will not go completely rogue on you, but the person you are counting on is called Recep Erdogan, you better be wary.

What would Europe intervene with?

I think there's a better chance of Turkey intervening in Europe than Europe intervening in Turkey.

they could re commission all the stuff laying around in all them WWII museums, no?

riskllama wrote:they could re commission all the stuff laying around in all them WWII museums, no?

But who would operate it? Under EU labor laws, soldiers don't have to fight after 5 p.m. on weekends unless they first receive 72 hours advance written notice and the battle is approved by the European Commissioner for Employment, Social Affairs and Inclusion. If I were Turkey, I'd just attack at 6 p.m. on a Friday - be in Rome by Monday morning before the European Court of Human Rights could retaliate against Turkey with an injunction sent by certified mail.

saxitoxin wrote:

riskllama wrote:they could re commission all the stuff laying around in all them WWII museums, no?

But who would operate it? Under EU labor laws, soldiers don't have to fight after 5 p.m. on weekends unless they first receive 72 hours advance written notice and the battle is approved by the European Commissioner for Employment, Social Affairs and Inclusion. If I were Turkey, I'd just attack at 6 p.m. on a Friday - be in Copenhagen by Monday morning.

well, that's a bit of a pickle, isn't it?

wait, i've got it - conscript all muslim immigrants to make them prove their loyalty and love for their new homes.

saxitoxin wrote:

waauw wrote:

Bernie Sanders wrote:

waauw wrote:Absolutely despicable. Only a matter of time before they become just another Shariah-law nation. Europe would do well to support Kurds and Atatürk-supporters in revolution against that menace. We might even have to prepare for military intervention. Erdogan is a major disaster in waiting.

Military intervention really? Who's going to lead this military invasion?

Unlike the US invading Iraq or Afghanistan, Turkey is of vital geopolitical importance to the entire european continent. It holds the key to the black sea and it is the pass-through hub for any pipelines from the middle east and central asia. Erdogan is increasingly aggressive towards europe and should be counted as a menace.

When you are in a situation where you have to hope a nation will not go completely rogue on you, but the person you are counting on is called Recep Erdogan, you better be wary.

What would Europe intervene with?

I think there's a better chance of Turkey intervening in Europe than Europe intervening in Turkey.

Exactly. Which is why europe should prepare and become more hostile towards Turkey. Erdogan wishes nothing but the worst for his western neighbours and would most certainly act if he ever saw an opportunity. The only solution is to fund the revolutionary movements in Turkey, build up an EU-army and remilitarize the continent.

I get called out before Erdogan? What a strange little world Goran lives in. I think he's still angry about being banned for calling for Muslims to be killed.

To be fair to him, he wasn't exactly calm before then either...

waauw wrote:Erdogan wishes nothing but the worst for his western neighbours and would most certainly act if he ever saw an opportunity. The only solution is to fund the revolutionary movements in Turkey, build up an EU-army and remilitarize the continent.

The only solution is LEBENSRAUM!!!!!

Europe has gotten complacent and let its military slide, but that's not a huge problem. It has the technology to build an army, it has the industrial capacity to build an army, and it has a core of professional soldiers that can train an army. Those are the three difficult and time consuming parts of mobilization. The fourth step, introducing conscription and filling the lower ranks, is the quickest and easiest part of the process. Once the political will to fight is there, it will only take a few months to complete step 4.

Dukasaur wrote:Europe has gotten complacent and let its military slide, but that's not a huge problem. It has the technology to build an army, it has the industrial capacity to build an army, and it has a core of professional soldiers that can train an army.

Shame it has a decision-making process that'd take 10 years to decide what color the berets should be.

Turkey 1923 vs Turkey 2017

mrswdk wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:Europe has gotten complacent and let its military slide, but that's not a huge problem. It has the technology to build an army, it has the industrial capacity to build an army, and it has a core of professional soldiers that can train an army.

Shame it has a decision-making process that'd take 10 years to decide what color the berets should be.

10 years are only for the decision, add another 10-20 for the implementation

I expect the EU to have an exploratory task force of 1,000 soldiers ready to go and hang around near the Turkish border by no later than 2064!

You guys can laugh. These criticisms are always levied at democracies. Fact is, when the shit hits the fan, democracies are pretty good at dropping everything and pulling up their socks in a hurry. 1853, 1865, 1914, 1939, 1950. The democracies started out a little dazed and confused, but pulled themselves together soon enough.

mrswdk wrote:I expect the EU to have an exploratory task force of 1,000 soldiers ready to go and hang around near the Turkish border by no later than 2064!

How many French soldiers?

Dukasaur wrote:You guys can laugh. These criticisms are always levied at democracies. Fact is, when the shit hits the fan, democracies are pretty good at dropping everything and pulling up their socks in a hurry. 1853, 1865, 1914, 1939, 1950. The democracies started out a little dazed and confused, but pulled themselves together soon enough.

Are you joking, 1939?
If it weren't for the Soviets in WW2 I'm 100% sure we would have communicated in German now

yeppers, the sovs saved western europes proverbial bacon, 100%.

They were saving their own 'bacon'. Bukowsk'Y'sagna.

As in CC, so in 'real' life: truces and treaties are always bullshit.

Dukasaur wrote:Fact is, when the shit hits the fan, democracies are pretty good at dropping everything and pulling up their socks in a hurry. 1853, 1865, 1914, 1939, 1950. The democracies started out a little dazed and confused, but pulled themselves together soon enough.

Congratulations to countries with elective representation: the only countries capable of mobilizing an army in times of war!

vegetable lasagne wrote:They were saving their own 'bacon'. Bukowsk'Y'sagna.

As in CC, so in 'real' life: truces and treaties are always bullshit.

really? I thought they were just being neighbourly...
please - tell us more, vegetable lasagne...

The world's representative democracies leap into action on 3 September, 1939:

GoranZ wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:You guys can laugh. These criticisms are always levied at democracies. Fact is, when the shit hits the fan, democracies are pretty good at dropping everything and pulling up their socks in a hurry. 1853, 1865, 1914, 1939, 1950. The democracies started out a little dazed and confused, but pulled themselves together soon enough.

Are you joking, 1939?
If it weren't for the Soviets in WW2 I'm 100% sure we would have communicated in German now

Say whatever you want, but Dukkie does make a point. It's American industry that won WWII. Without american supplies both the british AND the soviets would have lost. In the Pacific the japanese outmatched the americans before Pearl Harbour, but were soon overtaken because the military-industrial output combined with the superior american numbers were too much to bare.

ps: Turkey doesn't even own its own satelite system. They have to rely on Washington for that.