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Is the western world still too focused on and traumatized by WWII events that it still dictates current events? I read some articles from american right wing news instances and it seems that's the conclusion they come to. It might hold some merrit, what do you think?

waauw wrote:Is the western world still too focused on and traumatized by WWII events that it still dictates current events? I read some articles from american right wing news instances and it seems that's the conclusion they come to. It might hold some merrit, what do you think?

You know, when I was a kid, war was everything to me. I read every book about war in the school library. I memorized battle maps and ordnance statistics and orders of battle. There was a time when I could have told you the name of every German and British and American commander along the Rhine, the top speed and fuel capacity of every Russian and German tank, the muzzle velocity and flash signature of every Japanese naval gun, the ethnic composition of all the Imperial troops under Slim's command, etc., etc., etc. I used to do thing like write alternate histories where Singapore held out.

Then, around the middle of high school, I discovered sex and drugs and rock 'n' roll. War just faded into the background. Today I can't even remember 5% of that stuff. It's amazing how little I know or care about WWII now, when once it was the core of my existence.

I think that really is the answer. Once you have sex and drugs and rock 'n' roll, you realize how much of everything else is bullshit. The only reason we have wars at all is that there are poor benighted souls out there who don't get laid regularly, are too uptight to do drugs, and haven't discovered Emerson, Lake and Palmer.

Tell parliament to make love, not war.

Dukasaur wrote:

waauw wrote:Is the western world still too focused on and traumatized by WWII events that it still dictates current events? I read some articles from american right wing news instances and it seems that's the conclusion they come to. It might hold some merrit, what do you think?

You know, when I was a kid, war was everything to me. I read every book about war in the school library. I memorized battle maps and ordnance statistics and orders of battle. There was a time when I could have told you the name of every German and British and American commander along the Rhine, the top speed and fuel capacity of every Russian and German tank, the muzzle velocity and flash signature of every Japanese naval gun, the ethnic composition of all the Imperial troops under Slim's command, etc., etc., etc. I used to do thing like write alternate histories where Singapore held out.

Then, around the middle of high school, I discovered sex and drugs and rock 'n' roll. War just faded into the background. Today I can't even remember 5% of that stuff. It's amazing how little I know or care about WWII now, when once it was the core of my existence.

I think that really is the answer. Once you have sex and drugs and rock 'n' roll, you realize how much of everything else is bullshit. The only reason we have wars at all is that there are poor benighted souls out there who don't get laid regularly, are too uptight to do drugs, and haven't discovered Emerson, Lake and Palmer.

Tell parliament to make love, not war.

Are you telling us hippies ruined you?

What current events are dictated by WWII?

Dukasaur wrote:

waauw wrote:Is the western world still too focused on and traumatized by WWII events that it still dictates current events? I read some articles from american right wing news instances and it seems that's the conclusion they come to. It might hold some merrit, what do you think?

You know, when I was a kid, war was everything to me. I read every book about war in the school library. I memorized battle maps and ordnance statistics and orders of battle. There was a time when I could have told you the name of every German and British and American commander along the Rhine, the top speed and fuel capacity of every Russian and German tank, the muzzle velocity and flash signature of every Japanese naval gun, the ethnic composition of all the Imperial troops under Slim's command, etc., etc., etc. I used to do thing like write alternate histories where Singapore held out.

Then, around the middle of high school, I discovered sex and drugs and rock 'n' roll. War just faded into the background. Today I can't even remember 5% of that stuff. It's amazing how little I know or care about WWII now, when once it was the core of my existence.

I think that really is the answer. Once you have sex and drugs and rock 'n' roll, you realize how much of everything else is bullshit. The only reason we have wars at all is that there are poor benighted souls out there who don't get laid regularly, are too uptight to do drugs, and haven't discovered Emerson, Lake and Palmer.

Tell parliament to make love, not war.

I was in the same boat as you Duk. I would rummage through libraries for war related stuff, especially the worst war America suffered through, The Civil War.

Then all of sudden SEX, DRUGS, ALCOHOL, ROCK and ROLL took over my life, not to mention CARS!

War is bullshit! Why do people fall in the same old nationalistic bull shit is beyond me. Yes, the lack of sex and other real human needs probably leads to senseless violence. I still see stupid bar fights, due to young men not getting laid.

Anything done right is right. Anything done wrong is wrong. War is an example of 'Anything'.

mrswdk wrote:What current events are dictated by WWII?

How does anyone ever take you seriously?

Just look at all the nuclear restrictions we've had since WWII.

Okay yes, nuclear weapons were first used during WWII and have been banned ever since. The nuclear weapons ban isn't really a reaction to WWII per se though - more of a reaction to nuclear weapons themselves. Just like the current ban on chemical weapons isn't ever talked about in terms of their use during World War One.

An example of current events still being guided or shaped by historical conflicts would be something like the Korean peninsula still being the way it is as a direct result of the Korean War, or the Hong Kong-mainland China political tensions resulting from Hong Kong having been a British colony until recently. Beyond nuclear weapons, in what ways are current events in the 'Western world' heavily influenced by WWII?

Maybe I misunderstood. I thought this thread was about actual events, not storm troopers.

mrswdk wrote:What current events are dictated by WWII?

China.

waauw wrote:Is the western world still too focused on and traumatized by WWII events that it still dictates current events?

I grew up watching "Hogan's Heroes."

Most people wouldn't know WWII if it came and slapped them on the bottom. What they know are the propaganda of the victors. This is why we obsess over the German Concentration Camps and ignore the Camps set up to contain American Citizens of Japan descent. This is why we obsess over the mass killings in those camps by the Germans but we never obsess over the mass killings and genocides of the Russians.

Everyone obsesses over the two nuclear bombs the United States dropped on Japan but forget the firebombing of Toyko killed more and damaged more. There are lots of complex things about the war that gets ignored. War is hell, and WWII is a good example of a big war. But tell that to the guys who suffered the hell of Korea, or the hell of Vietnam, or the hell of Iraq. Hell is hell.

tzor wrote:

waauw wrote:Is the western world still too focused on and traumatized by WWII events that it still dictates current events?

I grew up watching "Hogan's Heroes."

Most people wouldn't know WWII if it came and slapped them on the bottom. What they know are the propaganda of the victors. This is why we obsess over the German Concentration Camps and ignore the Camps set up to contain American Citizens of Japan descent. This is why we obsess over the mass killings in those camps by the Germans but we never obsess over the mass killings and genocides of the Russians.

Everyone obsesses over the two nuclear bombs the United States dropped on Japan but forget the firebombing of Toyko killed more and damaged more. There are lots of complex things about the war that gets ignored. War is hell, and WWII is a good example of a big war. But tell that to the guys who suffered the hell of Korea, or the hell of Vietnam, or the hell of Iraq. Hell is hell.

Hollywood only says that war is hell for the GIs. The Vietnemese/Koreans/Iraqis are just extras.

Respect to Clint Eastwood though for his war movies though.

If you have to ask that question, you need to study history. For starters, as to what currents events are influenced by WWII, try

1) the Cold War;
2) current tensions of Russia vs. the West (NATO and USA);
3) the break-up of the British Empire;
4) the creation of the Common Market and its evolution into the EU;
5) The Korean Conflict (or War);
6) Vietnam.

Those are rather significant events. And events do not happen in a vaccum. WWII had most of its roots in WWI, as one "small" example.

JP

mrswdk wrote:Okay yes, nuclear weapons were first used during WWII and have been banned ever since. The nuclear weapons ban isn't really a reaction to WWII per se though - more of a reaction to nuclear weapons themselves. Just like the current ban on chemical weapons isn't ever talked about in terms of their use during World War One.

An example of current events still being guided or shaped by historical conflicts would be something like the Korean peninsula still being the way it is as a direct result of the Korean War, or the Hong Kong-mainland China political tensions resulting from Hong Kong having been a British colony until recently. Beyond nuclear weapons, in what ways are current events in the 'Western world' heavily influenced by WWII?

waauw spoke about people being so traumatized by WWII as to let it guide current events. The Cold War was enabled by the demise of the European powers following the World Wars, but the USA and Russia did not enter into a rivalry because people were shaken up by WWII and made decisions that were guided by their memory of WWII. They just started squaring up because they were the two biggest powers at the time.

I will concede that a lot of Europeans cling on to the EU with peace in the aftermath as WWII being an explicit reason why they like having the EU so much.

I skimmed this thread.
There are things that ww 2 affects today.
The root cause of them, as with pretty much every war from 1914 is economic, the wars are fought for banks, or more accurately the people that own the banks.

Most people would be surprised to find out who owns the federal reserve for example.
Heres a clue, the federal reserve was created in 1913, the first war began 1914.

There are events today that are a direct result of ww 2, not just nukes, but acts of terror among other things.
There was a german fellow named Otto Scorzeny, He was the Nazi super commando, (He rescued Mussolini for example) he worked with Amin al Husseni, when he met the top nazis this began things, a moslem division of the waffen ss was created.

Scorzeny also worked with Yasser Arafat (leader of the PLO) Muammar Gaddafi (lybia) and Saddam Hussein (iraq) and
Gamal Abdel Nasser (Egypt).

The attack from these people on the Jews is a direct result of the Balfour declaration (1917)
Hitler also transfered all Jews that wanted to gp, to Palistine from 1933 to 1941 under the Haavara Agreement or transfer agreement.


In any case, I believe due to these events Israel came up with the Yinon plan 1982. “Greater Israel”: The Zionist Plan for the Middle East
It is either these events or religious. Maybe both.

Now, the Americans have been following this Yinon plan ever since, Israel controls the U.S. through Aipac the Israeli lobby group. (connecting the dots is a bit much for this, especially as most people would see what Ive already written as rambling)

So, back to my point, Scorzeny was the guy that taught the Arab Muslims the ways of terror warfare.
Thus, this is one way we are directly affected from ww 2 today.

There are other ways we are directly affected, but I bet most people dont know what I just told ya all. lol
There are actually ALOT of secrets kept from ww2.

"History is a set of lies agreed upon.” Napoleon Bonaparte.

mrswdk wrote:waauw spoke about people being so traumatized by WWII as to let it guide current events.

I don't think the "war" traumatized as much as the atomic bomb traumatized, it didn't cause trauma to the people but to the various military industrial complexes. The "Great" War (only with WWII was it called WWI) might have been the "war to end all wars" but it was the atomic bomb that ended all direct wars.

This is important because international socialism (known as communism) is expansionist by nature. But a direct conflict between the USSR and the USA was illogical. This led to a series of indirect wars, starting with Korea, and Vietnam. This expansionism would have happened with or without the annoying rise of "National Socialism." Ironically the post war effect did have a boost to "international socialism" because it managed to create a two state dichotomy between fascism and communism implying that not fascism was communism (and thus since fascism lost communism must be the better). The death of classical liberalism in Europe (which never really had a solid foundation in Europe) can still be seen in the European love shown in such groups as the Communist "Antifa" which basically insists that anything which isn't communist is fascist.

armati wrote:I skimmed this thread.
There are things that ww 2 affects today.
The root cause of them, as with pretty much every war from 1914 is economic, the wars are fought for banks, or more accurately the people that own the banks.

Most people would be surprised to find out who owns the federal reserve for example.
Heres a clue, the federal reserve was created in 1913, the first war began 1914.

There are events today that are a direct result of ww 2, not just nukes, but acts of terror among other things.
There was a german fellow named Otto Scorzeny, He was the Nazi super commando, (He rescued Mussolini for example) he worked with Amin al Husseni, when he met the top nazis this began things, a moslem division of the waffen ss was created.

Scorzeny also worked with Yasser Arafat (leader of the PLO) Muammar Gaddafi (lybia) and Saddam Hussein (iraq) and
Gamal Abdel Nasser (Egypt).

The attack from these people on the Jews is a direct result of the Balfour declaration (1917)
Hitler also transfered all Jews that wanted to gp, to Palistine from 1933 to 1941 under the Haavara Agreement or transfer agreement.


In any case, I believe due to these events Israel came up with the Yinon plan 1982. “Greater Israel”: The Zionist Plan for the Middle East
It is either these events or religious. Maybe both.

Now, the Americans have been following this Yinon plan ever since, Israel controls the U.S. through Aipac the Israeli lobby group. (connecting the dots is a bit much for this, especially as most people would see what Ive already written as rambling)

So, back to my point, Scorzeny was the guy that taught the Arab Muslims the ways of terror warfare.
Thus, this is one way we are directly affected from ww 2 today.

There are other ways we are directly affected, but I bet most people dont know what I just told ya all. lol
There are actually ALOT of secrets kept from ww2.

"History is a set of lies agreed upon.” Napoleon Bonaparte.

JEWS!

OK everyone, grab your Confederate and Nazi Flags!



Now repeat after me!
Blood and soil, blood and soil, blood and soil!

tzor wrote:

mrswdk wrote:waauw spoke about people being so traumatized by WWII as to let it guide current events.

I don't think the "war" traumatized as much as the atomic bomb traumatized, it didn't cause trauma to the people but to the various military industrial complexes. The "Great" War (only with WWII was it called WWI) might have been the "war to end all wars" but it was the atomic bomb that ended all direct wars.

Until the Korean War kicked off 5 years later.

Typical: mrswdk ignores my comments because he/she has NO answer because (s)he cannot deny my analysis or my comments

Bernie makes a cursory and vapid response which proves again his childish and limited mental ability.

Debate over; I win another one.

Move on. It is not obsession, but that the results of WWII still impacts modern day events, attitudes, and policy.

Look at this simply (mostly for Bernie): when nearly the entire war is at war (OK, South Am and Antarctica are barely impacted) then yes, that has long term impact. Even Nazis fleeing to South Am countries impact that continent....., Hmmm, maybe that is why it is call WORLD War 2.....ya think.....??

NAW, can't be, can it......?

JP

jusplay4fun wrote:Typical: mrswdk ignores my comments because he/she has NO answer because (s)he cannot deny my analysis or my comments

I replied to you immediately under your last post. Not my fault you can't understand the English language.

jusplay4fun wrote:Typical: mrswdk ignores my comments because he/she has NO answer because (s)he cannot deny my analysis or my comments

Bernie makes a cursory and vapid response which proves again his childish and limited mental ability.

Debate over; I win another one.

Move on. It is not obsession, but that the results of WWII still impacts modern day events, attitudes, and policy.

Look at this simply (mostly for Bernie): when nearly the entire war is at war (OK, South Am and Antarctica are barely impacted) then yes, that has long term impact. Even Nazis fleeing to South Am countries impact that continent....., Hmmm, maybe that is why it is call WORLD War 2.....ya think.....??

NAW, can't be, can it......?

JP

Your obsession of me.....is......well....kind of homoeroticism. I can't blame you my lil' Viking wannabe. Many men who hide in closets will come out when they see me at the bar and insist on buying me a fruity and tasty drink. I always say no, since my primary vitamin supplement is beer.

So, in my travels around this country, if you see me at your local gin mill, offer me a beer and I'll spend some quality time with you and laugh at your childish rants here at CC.

....and don't be staring at my large hands ok?

mrswdk wrote:Until the Korean War kicked off 5 years later.

The division of Korea was the same as the division of Germany and started immediately after the war. There was our side and the Russian side. Immediately after the war, the battleground was not yet Korea expansion but China.

With the end of the war with Japan, the Chinese Civil War resumed between the Communists and Nationalists. While the Communists were struggling for supremacy in Manchuria, they were supported by the North Korean government with matériel and manpower.[79] According to Chinese sources, the North Koreans donated 2,000 railway cars worth of supplies while thousands of Koreans served in the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) during the war.[80] North Korea also provided the Chinese Communists in Manchuria with a safe refuge for non-combatants and communications with the rest of China.[79]

But I assumed you already knew about your glorious history.

Stalin initially did not think the time was right for a war in Korea. Chinese Communist forces were still embroiled in the Chinese Civil War, while U.S. forces remained stationed in South Korea.[90] By spring 1950, he believed that the strategic situation had changed: Mao's Communist forces had secured final victory in China, U.S. forces had withdrawn from Korea, and the Soviets detonated their first nuclear bomb, breaking the U.S. atomic monopoly. As the U.S. had not directly intervened to stop the communist victory in China, Stalin calculated that they would be even less willing to fight in Korea, which had much less strategic significance. The Soviets had also cracked the codes used by the U.S. to communicate with their embassy in Moscow, and reading these dispatches convinced Stalin that Korea did not have the importance to the US that would warrant a nuclear confrontation.[91]

So let's recap, it took the establishment of the communists in China and the security of the bomb in the hands of the Soviets that allowed Stalin to, with Mao's aid, allow the North Koreans to make the push into the rest of Korea. Waiting for the right conditions does not mean the events are unconnected.

@bernie
you mention grabbing flags.the group you show is puny .

http://cdn.starfluff.com/wp-content/upl ... 457612.png

That group was interested in flags. lol