RIP Chester Bennington

[waauw]

[IcePack]

On his friends Chris Cornells would be birthday

[karel]

he prolly had info on killary,hence why he died

[warmonger1981]

Unfortunately if you kill yourself and have kids your kind of a piece of shit. Selfish.

[karel]

Unfortunately if you kill yourself and have kids your kind of a piece of shit. Selfish.

no kids so not selfish

[waauw]

Unfortunately if you kill yourself and have kids your kind of a piece of shit. Selfish.

People can understand torture can shatter a person's mind. People can understand how great misfortune hurts. People can understand how continuous suffering can lead to despair. So why does all this comprehension fly out of the window as soon as the word 'suicide' is involved? It has nothing to do with selfishness. The mind is like a muscle, place it under too much strain and it'll eventually give up.

[Dukasaur]

Unfortunately if you kill yourself and have kids your kind of a piece of shit. Selfish.

People can understand torture can shatter a person's mind. People can understand how great misfortune hurts. People can understand how continuous suffering can lead to despair. So why does all this comprehension fly out of the window as soon as the word 'suicide' is involved? It has nothing to do with selfishness. The mind is like a muscle, place it under too much strain and it'll eventually give up.

Well said.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Unfortunately if you kill yourself and have kids your kind of a piece of shit. Selfish.

Crawling in my skin, this neck wound will not heal!

Agreed 100%. Husband and father, you cant be much more of a prick to do that kind of shit.

[Thorthoth]

Linkin Park... lol.

[warmonger1981]

Unfortunately if you kill yourself and have kids your kind of a piece of shit. Selfish.

People can understand torture can shatter a person's mind. People can understand how great misfortune hurts. People can understand how continuous suffering can lead to despair. So why does all this comprehension fly out of the window as soon as the word 'suicide' is involved? It has nothing to do with selfishness. The mind is like a muscle, place it under too much strain and it'll eventually give up.

There are multiple outlets for him to dissolve those situations or feelings. Obviously his muscle was weak. He wasn't a samurai commiting suicide out of honor. He probably committed suicide because he was weak. I had a friend commit suicide. Loved the guy but he was also weak. He also had kids. Sometimes it's not about "your" feelings.

[Symmetry]

Unfortunately if you kill yourself and have kids your kind of a piece of shit. Selfish.

People can understand torture can shatter a person's mind. People can understand how great misfortune hurts. People can understand how continuous suffering can lead to despair. So why does all this comprehension fly out of the window as soon as the word 'suicide' is involved? It has nothing to do with selfishness. The mind is like a muscle, place it under too much strain and it'll eventually give up.

There are multiple outlets for him to dissolve those situations or feelings. Obviously his muscle was weak. He wasn't a samurai commiting suicide out of honor. He probably committed suicide because he was weak. I had a friend commit suicide. Loved the guy but he was also weak. He also had kids. Sometimes it's not about "your" feelings.

I've got mixed feelings. I think it's right to feel both angry at him and also sympathetic. It doesn't have to be one feeling.

[Thorthoth]

Unfortunately if you kill yourself and have kids your kind of a piece of shit. Selfish.

People can understand torture can shatter a person's mind. People can understand how great misfortune hurts. People can understand how continuous suffering can lead to despair. So why does all this comprehension fly out of the window as soon as the word 'suicide' is involved? It has nothing to do with selfishness. The mind is like a muscle, place it under too much strain and it'll eventually give up.

There are multiple outlets for him to dissolve those situations or feelings. Obviously his muscle was weak. He wasn't a samurai commiting suicide out of honor. He probably committed suicide because he was weak. I had a friend commit suicide. Loved the guy but he was also weak. He also had kids. Sometimes it's not about "your" feelings.

I've got mixed feelings. I think it's right to feel both angry at him and also sympathetic. It doesn't have to be one feeling.

Muscles get bigger and stronger under strain... and it's not one's circumstances, but one's attitude that leads to dispair and suicide.

[Symmetry]

Unfortunately if you kill yourself and have kids your kind of a piece of shit. Selfish.

People can understand torture can shatter a person's mind. People can understand how great misfortune hurts. People can understand how continuous suffering can lead to despair. So why does all this comprehension fly out of the window as soon as the word 'suicide' is involved? It has nothing to do with selfishness. The mind is like a muscle, place it under too much strain and it'll eventually give up.

There are multiple outlets for him to dissolve those situations or feelings. Obviously his muscle was weak. He wasn't a samurai commiting suicide out of honor. He probably committed suicide because he was weak. I had a friend commit suicide. Loved the guy but he was also weak. He also had kids. Sometimes it's not about "your" feelings.

I've got mixed feelings. I think it's right to feel both angry at him and also sympathetic. It doesn't have to be one feeling.

Muscles get bigger and stronger under strain... and it's not one's circumstances, but one's attitude that leads to dispair and suicide.

Metaphors can be strained too, they don't get better for it.

[DirtyDishSoap]

People can understand torture can shatter a person's mind. People can understand how great misfortune hurts. People can understand how continuous suffering can lead to despair. So why does all this comprehension fly out of the window as soon as the word 'suicide' is involved? It has nothing to do with selfishness. The mind is like a muscle, place it under too much strain and it'll eventually give up.

So is it completely out of the question to seek help, talk to someone or just try and take a break? I have a hard time sympathizing with those that choose to seek a permanent solution for a temporary problem.

If the guy was dying due to some sort of disease such as late stage cancer, then sure, I agree that you should go out on your own terms rather than prolong suffering for no reason, but to kill yourself because of depression? There's several different roads people can take that involve not killing yourself. It's selfish. This doesn't take away from the facts that he was successful, wrote good music or any of his other achievements, but it's completely stupid and selfish on his part to just suddenly end his life.
On account of that, is it that hard to comprehend that the man was a father of six and a husband? That's six kids who just lost their dad, and the wife is now a widow, good job scarring them for life, douche.

Take it from me, understand the mental strains that people can go through. But there's always another way that doesn't involve suicide.

[waauw]

Unfortunately if you kill yourself and have kids your kind of a piece of shit. Selfish.

People can understand torture can shatter a person's mind. People can understand how great misfortune hurts. People can understand how continuous suffering can lead to despair. So why does all this comprehension fly out of the window as soon as the word 'suicide' is involved? It has nothing to do with selfishness. The mind is like a muscle, place it under too much strain and it'll eventually give up.

There are multiple outlets for him to dissolve those situations or feelings. Obviously his muscle was weak. He wasn't a samurai commiting suicide out of honor. He probably committed suicide because he was weak. I had a friend commit suicide. Loved the guy but he was also weak. He also had kids. Sometimes it's not about "your" feelings.

I've got mixed feelings. I think it's right to feel both angry at him and also sympathetic. It doesn't have to be one feeling.

Muscles get bigger and stronger under strain... and it's not one's circumstances, but one's attitude that leads to dispair and suicide.

Attitude is built from genetics and experiences. He had so many things happen to his life including sexual abuse as a child and multiple suicides from childhood all the way to the death of one of his personal friends a couple of months ago, Chris Cornell. He is exactly the product of the misfortunes he had no control over. Add to that the alcohol and drugs he used to deal with depression and you've got a very dangerous mix.

[waauw]

People can understand torture can shatter a person's mind. People can understand how great misfortune hurts. People can understand how continuous suffering can lead to despair. So why does all this comprehension fly out of the window as soon as the word 'suicide' is involved? It has nothing to do with selfishness. The mind is like a muscle, place it under too much strain and it'll eventually give up.

So is it completely out of the question to seek help, talk to someone or just try and take a break? I have a hard time sympathizing with those that choose to seek a permanent solution for a temporary problem.

If the guy was dying due to some sort of disease such as late stage cancer, then sure, I agree that you should go out on your own terms rather than prolong suffering for no reason, but to kill yourself because of depression? There's several different roads people can take that involve not killing yourself. It's selfish. This doesn't take away from the facts that he was successful, wrote good music or any of his other achievements, but it's completely stupid and selfish on his part to just suddenly end his life.
On account of that, is it that hard to comprehend that the man was a father of six and a husband? That's six kids who just lost their dad, and the wife is now a widow, good job scarring them for life, douche.

Take it from me, understand the mental strains that people can go through. But there's always another way that doesn't involve suicide.

Considering he had been dropping in and out of depression ever since childhood, seems like a rather long "temporary problem". And for your information he DID SEEK HELP. He visited therapists to deal with his problems. Don't understimate how deep pain runs if trauma's occured so early in life.

And again, this has nothing to do with selfishness. This has nothing to do with rationality even. Emotions can easily overrun a person's rationality under the right circumstances.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Once again, it's a temporary problem with a permanent solution.

If everyone in the world had depression issues and just offed themselves because boo hoo, lifes too hard, we'd have gone extinct.
Even then, a lot more hardships exist than whatever emotional trauma that guy's been going through. All over the world. If anything helps me get through my little bumps in the road, I always think to myself "someone out there has it way worse than me", and it's true. All I need to do is flick on the news and there's always some sort of tragic story.

Point is, rather than sucking it up, and just taking a breath or whatever alternative, he chose to kill himself, and practically abandon his six kids and his now widowed wife. What a great guy.

Edit - Let me give you an example of one of the strongest folks I know. You want to talk about emotional trauma? This guy's name is Martinez (if you want a source, I'll provide it). Deployed with me overseas. He stepped on an IED and became a triple amputee, lost both his legs and most of his arm. Know what he told us after he was released from medical? "I'm happy it was me, I can take it".

And to this day he still goes hunting, see's concerts and is an all around bad ass.

If that man can enjoy life as is, and not cry about his hardships, then f*ck all, so can everyone else. Life isn't hard to understand nor to live. Quit being a pussy, suck it up and move on. That simple.

[waauw]

Once again, it's a temporary problem with a permanent solution.

If everyone in the world had depression issues and just offed themselves because boo hoo, lifes too hard, we'd have gone extinct.
Even then, a lot more hardships exist than whatever emotional trauma that guy's been going through. All over the world. If anything helps me get through my little bumps in the road, I always think to myself "someone out there has it way worse than me", and it's true. All I need to do is flick on the news and there's always some sort of tragic story.

Point is, rather than sucking it up, and just taking a breath or whatever alternative, he chose to kill himself, and practically abandon his six kids and his now widowed wife. What a great guy.

Edit - Let me give you an example of one of the strongest folks I know. You want to talk about emotional trauma? This guy's name is Martinez (if you want a source, I'll provide it). Deployed with me overseas. He stepped on an IED and became a triple amputee, lost both his legs and most of his arm. Know what he told us after he was released from medical? "I'm happy it was me, I can take it".

And to this day he still goes hunting, see's concerts and is an all around bad ass.

If that man can enjoy life as is, and not cry about his hardships, then f*ck all, so can everyone else. Life isn't hard to understand nor to live. Quit being a pussy, suck it up and move on. That simple.

Dude you still don't get it! Science has proven that the earlier the trauma occurs in a person's life, the deeper the potential impact on the human mind. There is no permanent solution to depression. People relapse all the time. The way the human mind works is you can't erase old thought patterns, old habits, you can only overwrite them and hope it'll be enough. People who suffer from childhood traumas suffer their entire lives because the problems are too deeply rooted.

If you want to call this a 'weakness' like warmonger, then I'd agree with you, because as you pointed out thousands of years ago natural selection would take its toll. But rationality has nothing to do with this. Up until the early/mid twenties a person undergoes his formative years for the mind, laying down the foundation, the base programming of his cerebral network.

Take the example of animals. If you save a dog from years of abuse, you can be as nice as you want to it, the animal will still carry its early year trauma's with it for the rest of its life. It might show some progress over time, but often it will never fully recover.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Why are we turning this into a scientific debate? It's of the individual mind, throw the studies into the wind. Every individual is different and every individual is capable of making a choice, no amount of study would be able to change that. I'd rather not dive into the topic of statistics because; "Studies show 60% of people do x because of x or x suffered x and is thus more likely to sniff markers because x".

Great and dandy argument, but everyone is different. Take diet for example. It's the same principle. Doctors or scientists are more than welcome to tell people what is and isn't healthy, however, everyone has their own unique physiology that will operate differently. What is healthy for me, will probably be unhealthy for you to some degree. Or it might not, it entirely depends.

The mind works the same way. Again, the argument here isn't about the effects of trauma and what it can to do an individual, the argument is is that everyone is capable of making a decision. You can show me studies and stats all you like, the meat and bones of it is simple. Choice. And that's why I'm sticking with what I said earlier, for a third time, it's a permanent solution for a temporary problem.

I don't know the guy, I personally don't care to know him. I've heard just about every sob story before, and those same people are still pushing strong, despite the trauma whether from childhood, the service, or whatever abuse they have suffered through. They've made the choice to continue, Chester didn't. End of story.

[warmonger1981]

Once again, it's a temporary problem with a permanent solution.

If everyone in the world had depression issues and just offed themselves because boo hoo, lifes too hard, we'd have gone extinct.
Even then, a lot more hardships exist than whatever emotional trauma that guy's been going through. All over the world. If anything helps me get through my little bumps in the road, I always think to myself "someone out there has it way worse than me", and it's true. All I need to do is flick on the news and there's always some sort of tragic story.

Point is, rather than sucking it up, and just taking a breath or whatever alternative, he chose to kill himself, and practically abandon his six kids and his now widowed wife. What a great guy.

Edit - Let me give you an example of one of the strongest folks I know. You want to talk about emotional trauma? This guy's name is Martinez (if you want a source, I'll provide it). Deployed with me overseas. He stepped on an IED and became a triple amputee, lost both his legs and most of his arm. Know what he told us after he was released from medical? "I'm happy it was me, I can take it".

And to this day he still goes hunting, see's concerts and is an all around bad ass.

If that man can enjoy life as is, and not cry about his hardships, then f*ck all, so can everyone else. Life isn't hard to understand nor to live. Quit being a pussy, suck it up and move on. That simple.

Dude you still don't get it! Science has proven that the earlier the trauma occurs in a person's life, the deeper the potential impact on the human mind. There is no permanent solution to depression. People relapse all the time. The way the human mind works is you can't erase old thought patterns, old habits, you can only overwrite them and hope it'll be enough. People who suffer from childhood traumas suffer their entire lives because the problems are too deeply rooted.

If you want to call this a 'weakness' like warmonger, then I'd agree with you, because as you pointed out thousands of years ago natural selection would take its toll. But rationality has nothing to do with this. Up until the early/mid twenties a person undergoes his formative years for the mind, laying down the foundation, the base programming of his cerebral network.

Take the example of animals. If you save a dog from years of abuse, you can be as nice as you want to it, the animal will still carry its early year trauma's with it for the rest of its life. It might show some progress over time, but often it will never fully recover.

If humans are just another mammal why are we the only ones that commit suicide? I've never heard of animals killing themselves over trauma or feelings. So out of all the creation on this world humans are the only ones that seek death out of feeling.

[waauw]

Once again, it's a temporary problem with a permanent solution.

If everyone in the world had depression issues and just offed themselves because boo hoo, lifes too hard, we'd have gone extinct.
Even then, a lot more hardships exist than whatever emotional trauma that guy's been going through. All over the world. If anything helps me get through my little bumps in the road, I always think to myself "someone out there has it way worse than me", and it's true. All I need to do is flick on the news and there's always some sort of tragic story.

Point is, rather than sucking it up, and just taking a breath or whatever alternative, he chose to kill himself, and practically abandon his six kids and his now widowed wife. What a great guy.

Edit - Let me give you an example of one of the strongest folks I know. You want to talk about emotional trauma? This guy's name is Martinez (if you want a source, I'll provide it). Deployed with me overseas. He stepped on an IED and became a triple amputee, lost both his legs and most of his arm. Know what he told us after he was released from medical? "I'm happy it was me, I can take it".

And to this day he still goes hunting, see's concerts and is an all around bad ass.

If that man can enjoy life as is, and not cry about his hardships, then f*ck all, so can everyone else. Life isn't hard to understand nor to live. Quit being a pussy, suck it up and move on. That simple.

Dude you still don't get it! Science has proven that the earlier the trauma occurs in a person's life, the deeper the potential impact on the human mind. There is no permanent solution to depression. People relapse all the time. The way the human mind works is you can't erase old thought patterns, old habits, you can only overwrite them and hope it'll be enough. People who suffer from childhood traumas suffer their entire lives because the problems are too deeply rooted.

If you want to call this a 'weakness' like warmonger, then I'd agree with you, because as you pointed out thousands of years ago natural selection would take its toll. But rationality has nothing to do with this. Up until the early/mid twenties a person undergoes his formative years for the mind, laying down the foundation, the base programming of his cerebral network.

Take the example of animals. If you save a dog from years of abuse, you can be as nice as you want to it, the animal will still carry its early year trauma's with it for the rest of its life. It might show some progress over time, but often it will never fully recover.

If humans are just another mammal why are we the only ones that commit suicide? I've never heard of animals killing themselves over trauma or feelings. So out of all the creation on this world humans are the only ones that seek death out of feeling.

The point was about trauma and depression having lasting effects so as to contradict DDS's claim of a permanent solution.

[waauw]

Why are we turning this into a scientific debate? It's of the individual mind, throw the studies into the wind. Every individual is different and every individual is capable of making a choice, no amount of study would be able to change that. I'd rather not dive into the topic of statistics because; "Studies show 60% of people do x because of x or x suffered x and is thus more likely to sniff markers because x".

Great and dandy argument, but everyone is different. Take diet for example. It's the same principle. Doctors or scientists are more than welcome to tell people what is and isn't healthy, however, everyone has their own unique physiology that will operate differently. What is healthy for me, will probably be unhealthy for you to some degree. Or it might not, it entirely depends.

The mind works the same way. Again, the argument here isn't about the effects of trauma and what it can to do an individual, the argument is is that everyone is capable of making a decision. You can show me studies and stats all you like, the meat and bones of it is simple. Choice. And that's why I'm sticking with what I said earlier, for a third time, it's a permanent solution for a temporary problem.

I don't know the guy, I personally don't care to know him. I've heard just about every sob story before, and those same people are still pushing strong, despite the trauma whether from childhood, the service, or whatever abuse they have suffered through. They've made the choice to continue, Chester didn't. End of story.

Dude, you're just grasping at straws now.

[DirtyDishSoap]

How in the world is that grasping for straws? Are you really this dense or just that out of touch with reality?

Again, your argument is solely based on "Scientific studies". To which I'm countering; each and every single individual will have a different make-up with both physiology and psychology. Do you think everyone is somehow the same, and will go about life the same, and tackle solutions the same way? Don't get me wrong, I love science and scientific theory, but it simply does not apply here. There's way too many variables to come into play; emotions, history, psychology, trauma, environment, genetics, illness, etc. You simply can't take into account of every single variable for every single individual, and then apply it as a blanket term and say "End all be all" for everyone. This is a whole matter of opinion, which is why I'm shocked you're even attempting to bring science into this.
Look at this person for example.
Diet
You can bet your ass doctors suggested her to change her diet or she'd have croaked. Are you getting the picture yet? Are you understanding what I'm trying to get through to you?

That's why you can't use a scientific study in this case. It applies just as much as the diet example. There's a simple and bottom line here, and that is again, choice. People make them all the time, despite popular belief. If you're going to deny that, then you're hopeless.

[riskllama]

linkin park sucks.

[Dukasaur]

How in the world is that grasping for straws? Are you really this dense or just that out of touch with reality?

Again, your argument is solely based on "Scientific studies". To which I'm countering; each and every single individual will have a different make-up with both physiology and psychology. Do you think everyone is somehow the same, and will go about life the same, and tackle solutions the same way? Don't get me wrong, I love science and scientific theory, but it simply does not apply here. There's way too many variables to come into play; emotions, history, psychology, trauma, environment, genetics, illness, etc. You simply can't take into account of every single variable for every single individual, and then apply it as a blanket term and say "End all be all" for everyone. This is a whole matter of opinion, which is why I'm shocked you're even attempting to bring science into this.
Look at this person for example.
Diet
You can bet your ass doctors suggested her to change her diet or she'd have croaked. Are you getting the picture yet? Are you understanding what I'm trying to get through to you?

That's why you can't use a scientific study in this case. It applies just as much as the diet example. There's a simple and bottom line here, and that is again, choice. People make them all the time, despite popular belief. If you're going to deny that, then you're hopeless.

You keep saying it's a choice, but you keep wanting to deny him his choice. It's his fucking life. If he found it intolerable to suffer any longer, that is entirely his business, not yours to judge.