Conquer Club

A long, long time ago, in the land of Afghanistan, the long-oppressed Taliban people expressed their emancipation by blowing up some statues of Buddha. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... amite.html).

They did this because:

1) they were very very offended by those statues

2) they had the power and they didn't really care how people of different beliefs feel about those statues

3) because (in their opinion) there were some "Truths", dear to them, that other people do not have right to question, much less deny

4) Actually, other people weren't 'real' people to them, so when they were done with statues they turned their attention to blowing up people.


My point, of course, is that current situation in US is Trump's fault, blame is certainly NOT on both sides and if you perceive ALL human beings as human beings with rights and feelings then you are a nazi-sympathiser.

Have a nice day and try not to think too much.

I think the difference is that the statues were intended to re-write history and glorify the Lost Cause. I wouldn't mind someone pulling down a monument to ISIS, or Saddam Hussein.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy

A monument to a lie may well be part of history, but sometimes destroying it is an even more important part.

Symmetry wrote:I think the difference is that the statues were intended to re-write history and glorify the Lost Cause. I wouldn't mind someone pulling down a monument to ISIS, or Saddam Hussein.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy

A monument to a lie may well be part of history, but sometimes destroying it is an even more important part.

It is not a difference but a similarity. Those statues of Buddha were infidels' lies, meant to re-write the history of the world and to sway the hearts and minds of people away from obedience to Allah and onto the path of evil, aka believing differently, which is morally indefensible. Just like the people who believe differently then you are.

mandalorian2298 wrote:

Symmetry wrote:I think the difference is that the statues were intended to re-write history and glorify the Lost Cause. I wouldn't mind someone pulling down a monument to ISIS, or Saddam Hussein.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy

A monument to a lie may well be part of history, but sometimes destroying it is an even more important part.

It is not a difference but a similarity. Those statues of Buddha were infidels' lies, meant to re-write the history of the world and to sway the hearts and minds of people away from obedience to Allah and onto the path of evil, aka believing differently, which is morally indefensible. Just like the people who believe differently then you are.

It's a false equivalency, and you're just restating your argument. The only similarity is that statues are destroyed. You ignore the reasoning behind them- both the reasons for the statues being erected, and the reason for them being taken down.

I'd be interested to know if you took a look at the link I posted.

Two valid points:
1.Did anyone ask the rocks if they wanted to be carved in the first place? ... Hmm, a-ha.
2. Blown-up statues = deconstructionist art. Terms like 'destruction' and 'creation' are just arbitrary value judgements.

Thorthoth wrote:Two valid points:
1.Did anyone ask the rocks if they wanted to be carved in the first place? ... Hmm, a-ha.
2. Blown-up statues = deconstructionist art. Terms like 'destruction' and 'creation' are just arbitrary value judgements.

My conservatism undid me again. In this light, it's obvious that Taliban performance was much more expressive then ANTIFA. Apologies to the resident Taliban for even making the comparison.

As the government of Afghanistan at the time, the Taliban were totally within their rights to remove statues they did not want.

mrswdk wrote:As the government of Afghanistan at the time, the Taliban were totally within their rights to remove statues they did not want.

You have the right to blow me up anytime mrs.

Sure you've detonated yourself so many times already that I think I've already succeeded in turning you into some sort of pervert suicide bomber, no?

mandalorian2298 wrote:A long, long time ago, in the land of Afghanistan, the long-oppressed Taliban people expressed their emancipation by blowing up some statues of Buddha. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... amite.html).

They did this because:

1) they were very very offended by those statues

2) they had the power and they didn't really care how people of different beliefs feel about those statues

3) because (in their opinion) there were some "Truths", dear to them, that other people do not have right to question, much less deny

4) Actually, other people weren't 'real' people to them, so when they were done with statues they turned their attention to blowing up people.


My point, of course, is that current situation in US is Trump's fault, blame is certainly NOT on both sides and if you perceive ALL human beings as human beings with rights and feelings then you are a nazi-sympathiser.

Have a nice day and try not to think too much.

A false equivalency. The Taliban was permanently destroying the statues. What the town councils on Charlottesville and other places are doing is not destroying the statues but moving them out of the city centre to museums, Confederate graveyards, and other places with appropriate context.

In my town there are 4-5 mosques remaining from the ottoman period and some are turned into museums...
I will always be against destruction of any of them, although the number of Muslim believers is single digit number.
So the Taliban didn't had right, but I wonder who was the one that voted yes... Symmetry I presume.

I voted yes. It was their country.

mrswdk wrote:I voted yes. It was their country.

You are joking rite... Taliban were temporary rulers, Afghanistan was never theirs and most likely it will never be.

Apologies to Symmetry

Everyone is a temporary ruler, dude. Sooner or later power always changes hands.

mrswdk wrote:Everyone is a temporary ruler, dude. Sooner or later power always changes hands.

In your opinion its ok if someone now level to the ground all places that Taliban care about... after all they are not in power now.
Or even better lets level all places that Chinese care about if China doesn't have resources to defend them... why not, that's a valid option considering your opinion.

GoranZ wrote:

mrswdk wrote:Everyone is a temporary ruler, dude. Sooner or later power always changes hands.

In your opinion its ok if someone now level to the ground all places that Taliban care about... after all they are not in power now.
Or even better lets level all places that Chinese care about if China doesn't have resources to defend them... why not, that's a valid option considering your opinion.

a) are those places in China? if so then bad analogy because you're talking about a foreign power doing the levelling, not a domestic one
b) as if anyone has the power to intrude on China, dream on buddy!

-------Do you mean like peaceful Tibet...Where a bunch of Commie Pinkos...Destroyed...Tibet...Also their own country o China...4,000 years of history...Yes, anytime The U.S..Black Lives Matter gets a hold of power...Finds THE GREAT WALL of CHINA offensive...They will blow it off the map...along with other places of human history around the world... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ...There will be nothing China could do to stop them...Or THE USA now if it wanted to...That time might be closer than you think... Unless people of reason stand up for History and stop them.....BY ANY MEANS NESSACERY,YES ANY MEANS!!!!!!!!!!!!...TO PRESERVE THE PAST

-------Do you mean like peaceful Tibet...Where a bunch of Commie Pinkos...Destroyed...Tibet...Also their own country o China...4,000 years of history...Yes, anytime The U.S..Black Lives Matter gets a hold of power...Finds THE GREAT WALL of CHINA offensive...They will blow it off the map...along with other places of human history around the world... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ...There will be nothing China could do to stop them...Or THE USA now if it wanted to...That time might be closer than you think... Unless people of reason stand up for History and stop them.....BY ANY MEANS NESSACERY,YES ANY MEANS!!!!!!!!!!!!...TO PRESERVE THE PAST

ConfederateSS wrote:-------Do you mean like peaceful Tibet...Where a bunch of Commie Pinkos...Destroyed...Tibet...Also their own country o China...4,000 years of history...Yes, anytime The U.S..Black Lives Matter gets a hold of power...Finds THE GREAT WALL of CHINA offensive...They will blow it off the map...along with other places of human history around the world... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ...There will be nothing China could do to stop them...Or THE USA now if it wanted to...That time might be closer than you think... Unless people of reason stand up for History and stop them.....BY ANY MEANS NESSACERY,YES ANY MEANS!!!!!!!!!!!!...TO PRESERVE THE PAST

The more you type, the more I understand how desperately lonely you are. It takes a special kind of alienation to post the kind of hatred you spew here.

How did you get this way Nazi guy?