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Posted: **Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:51 pm**

So, the victim of Kavanaugh's alleged attempted rape has come forward.

WARNING: The story is disturbing:

California professor, writer of confidential Brett Kavanaugh letter, speaks out about her allegation of sexual assault

She has also provided evidence that this wasn't a last minute sabotage of Kavanaugh's nomination- via her therapist's notes where she spoke of her trauma.

She has also taken a polygraph.

Your thoughts?

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:11 am**

Symmetry wrote:Your thoughts?

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:53 am**

I tend to think he will not get confirmed.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:17 am**

Symmetry wrote:So, the victim of Kavanaugh's alleged attempted rape has come forward.

WARNING: The story is disturbing:

California professor, writer of confidential Brett Kavanaugh letter, speaks out about her allegation of sexual assault

She has also provided evidence that this wasn't a last minute sabotage of Kavanaugh's nomination- via her therapist's notes where she spoke of her trauma.

She has also taken a polygraph.

Your thoughts?

Evidently Feinstein didn't think they were credible allegations, or she would have brought them up earlier.

She has no proof.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:43 am**

Bigbullets wrote:
Symmetry wrote:So, the victim of Kavanaugh's alleged attempted rape has come forward.

WARNING: The story is disturbing:

California professor, writer of confidential Brett Kavanaugh letter, speaks out about her allegation of sexual assault

She has also provided evidence that this wasn't a last minute sabotage of Kavanaugh's nomination- via her therapist's notes where she spoke of her trauma.

She has also taken a polygraph.

Your thoughts?

Evidently Feinstein didn't think they were credible allegations, or she would have brought them up earlier.

She has no proof.

Proof is largely irrelevant; accusations are sufficient in this instance.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:24 pm**

Haha yeah, this isn't a criminal proceeding. Kavvy doesn't get due process or anything here.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:33 pm**

Neoteny wrote:Haha yeah, this isn't a criminal proceeding. Kavvy doesn't get due process or anything here.

That's correct. It will be interesting to see if the White House pulls Kavanaugh and nominates someone else (like the female Catholic judge who hates abortion whose name escapes me) or sticks with Kavanaugh.

Sym - To make your poll relevant, you should note "accusation" of attempted rape. I hope everyone can agree that a conviction of attempted rape disqualifies someone from office.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:13 pm**

It's not important. We should expect false accusations like this against every man opposed by the fuggernaut moving forward and dismiss them accordingly.

Our current state where any woman at any time can accuse any man of anything with zero evidence to support her decades after an alleged incident, and that he is expected to suffer life shattering consequences as a result, puts our society in league with colonists during the Salem Witch trials. This tactic is being exploited by leftists at all levels socially and politically.

I dub this tactic Soros' Bitch trials unless someone has something better.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:44 pm**

thegreekdog wrote:
Bigbullets wrote:
Symmetry wrote:So, the victim of Kavanaugh's alleged attempted rape has come forward.

WARNING: The story is disturbing:

California professor, writer of confidential Brett Kavanaugh letter, speaks out about her allegation of sexual assault

She has also provided evidence that this wasn't a last minute sabotage of Kavanaugh's nomination- via her therapist's notes where she spoke of her trauma.

She has also taken a polygraph.

Your thoughts?

Evidently Feinstein didn't think they were credible allegations, or she would have brought them up earlier.

She has no proof.

Proof is largely irrelevant; accusations are sufficient in this instance.

They shouldn't be.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:45 pm**

On January 15, 2008, Nifong filed for bankruptcy under Chapter 7 of the Bankruptcy Code. He listed assets of almost $244,000 and liabilities of over $180.3 million, virtually all of which derived from six $30 million "unsecured nonpriority claims", one for each of the six members of the 2005–06 Duke lacrosse team suing Nifong, among others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Nifong

In November 2016, a federal court jury found Erdely was liable for defamation with actual malice in a lawsuit brought by University of Virginia administrator Nicole Eramo, and Erdely was found personally responsible for $2 million in damages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrina_Erdely

The lesson from Sabrina Erdely and Mike Nifong ... make sure your accusations aren't too specific and not too recent.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:47 pm**

GabonX wrote:It's not important. We should expect false accusations like this against every man opposed by the fuggernaut moving forward and dismiss them accordingly.

Our current state where any woman at any time can accuse any man of anything with zero evidence to support her decades after an alleged incident, and that he is expected to suffer life shattering consequences as a result, puts our society in league with colonists during the Salem Witch trials. This tactic is being exploited by leftists at all levels socially and politically.

I dub this tactic Soros' Bitch trials unless someone has something better.

If this is merely a politically-motivated ploy, as with other politically-motivated ploys, it will be adopted and utilized by both teams. Even if it's not a merely politically-motivated ploy, I suspect we will continue to see more of these types of things come out with devastating consequences to the accused.

Bigbullets wrote:They shouldn't be.

Okay, but see above. They aren't.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:03 pm**

So many family-court dads all of a sudden.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:07 pm**

Looks like the Democrats don't want to rush a rehearing or any interview with the accused. I wonder what they're waiting for...

[checks Senate makeup]
[checks polls]
[checks calendar]

Oh, I see now.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:11 pm**

Maybe they did learn something from the Garland nonsense.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:32 pm**

saxitoxin wrote:
On January 15, 2008, Nifong filed for bankruptcy under Chapter 7 of the Bankruptcy Code. He listed assets of almost $244,000 and liabilities of over $180.3 million, virtually all of which derived from six $30 million "unsecured nonpriority claims", one for each of the six members of the 2005–06 Duke lacrosse team suing Nifong, among others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Nifong

In November 2016, a federal court jury found Erdely was liable for defamation with actual malice in a lawsuit brought by University of Virginia administrator Nicole Eramo, and Erdely was found personally responsible for $2 million in damages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrina_Erdely

The lesson from Sabrina Erdely and Mike Nifong ... make sure your accusations aren't too specific and not too recent.

So, now filing for bankruptcy is a bad thing, and not part of being an Awesome Businessman with Deals (tm)

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:40 pm**

Bigbullets wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Bigbullets wrote:
Symmetry wrote:So, the victim of Kavanaugh's alleged attempted rape has come forward.

WARNING: The story is disturbing:

She has also provided evidence that this wasn't a last minute sabotage of Kavanaugh's nomination- via her therapist's notes where she spoke of her trauma.

She has also taken a polygraph.

Your thoughts?

Evidently Feinstein didn't think they were credible allegations, or she would have brought them up earlier.

She has no proof.

Proof is largely irrelevant; accusations are sufficient in this instance.

They shouldn't be.

Yes, because if there's one thing endemic to sexual assault cases, it's lots of indisputable proof. The fact that women have been proven to rarely fake these things (and the media is pretty damn good at fishing out fakers please click it's a great reminder that Roy Moore was a serious candidate for national office

It's the old "If a powerful man gropes a woman in private, and nobody sees it (except for the two of them) it didn't happen" truism that makes me proud of the moral superiority of everything.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:11 pm**

thegreekdog wrote:
If this is merely a politically-motivated ploy, as with other politically-motivated ploys, it will be adopted and utilized by both teams.

This is a common claim made by leftists and it's false. The left has much more leeway to abuse the political process due to favorable bias in the media. We've seen this tactic used multiple times against conservatives, and accusations ignored or defended when levied against democrats.

Consider the difference in the tone of coverage when looking at Trump or Roy Moore compared to Bill Clinton, even though Clinton's accusers have been seeking justice for decades and not just during the heat of an election cycle.

spurgistan wrote:The fact that women have been proven to rarely fake these things...

The exact opposite is true. Whereas men can use physical intimidation to coerce, women use slander, social manipulation and character assassination. The literature is very clear on this.

To claim that women "rarely fake these things" is to claim that unstable women or women suffering from psychological pathologies are "rare."

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:25 pm**

spurgistan wrote:
Bigbullets wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Bigbullets wrote:
Symmetry wrote:So, the victim of Kavanaugh's alleged attempted rape has come forward.

WARNING: The story is disturbing:

She has also provided evidence that this wasn't a last minute sabotage of Kavanaugh's nomination- via her therapist's notes where she spoke of her trauma.

She has also taken a polygraph.

Your thoughts?

Evidently Feinstein didn't think they were credible allegations, or she would have brought them up earlier.

She has no proof.

Proof is largely irrelevant; accusations are sufficient in this instance.

They shouldn't be.

Yes, because if there's one thing endemic to sexual assault cases, it's lots of indisputable proof.

Even disputable proof would be something. All we have is the declaration of Democratic Party donor who also acknowledges she's being treated for mental health issues. Anyone who believes this probably thought Pizzagate was credible.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:58 pm**

GabonX wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
If this is merely a politically-motivated ploy, as with other politically-motivated ploys, it will be adopted and utilized by both teams.

This is a common claim made by leftists and it's false. The left has much more leeway to abuse the political process due to favorable bias in the media. We've seen this tactic used multiple times against conservatives, and accusations ignored or defended when levied against democrats.

Consider the difference in the tone of coverage when looking at Trump or Roy Moore compared to Bill Clinton, even though Clinton's accusers have been seeking justice for decades and not just during the heat of an election cycle.

spurgistan wrote:The fact that women have been proven to rarely fake these things...

The exact opposite is true. Whereas men can use physical intimidation to coerce, women use slander, social manipulation and character assassination. The literature is very clear on this.

To claim that women "rarely fake these things" is to claim that unstable women or women suffering from psychological pathologies are "rare."

OK. I posted a source of one of the very few times a woman can be credibly proven as making up a sexual assault claim, and it was O'Keefe stooges trying to frame the Washington Post as printing anything. A literal organized effort to fake a sexual assault claim (sure, they were organized by idiots, but they were darlings of the Republican Party) and the WaPo wouldn't run it, because they do this thing called "fact-checking". Reddit isn't literature.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:58 pm**

The other issue I have with this is that the accusations should be a non issue even if true. An accuser can't speak to a perpetrators intent, only his actions, but the media commonly ignores this.

Ford says "he tried to" remove her clothes, and she "thinks" he would have raped her. The only things we know with certainty based on her statements are that Kavanaugh did not remove her clothes or rape her.

What we have here is a woman that claims she's been psychologically devastated because she was groped at a boy girl party 35 years ago, and we're told this woman should have veto powers over who we appoint to the Supreme Court. I don't think her rape fantasies should hold that kind of weight over society.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:07 pm**

spurgistan wrote:OK. I posted a source of one of the very few times a woman can be credibly proven as making up a sexual assault claim

#FakeNews

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rape_on ... estigation

https://nypost.com/2018/08/23/woman-who ... to-prison/

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... of-penalty

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/ ... -fake-baby

etc., etc., etc.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:08 pm**

There is no equal to the classiness of people driven to defend a republican accused of sexual assault.

It's a fuckin' foie gras of the most callous monsters in this country.

Just freaking scrumptious slime.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:13 pm**

When all the conspiracy theories have been debunked ...

Neoteny wrote:There is no equal to the classiness of people driven to defend a republican accused of sexual assault.

It's a fuckin' foie gras of the most callous monsters in this country.

Just freaking scrumptious slime.

AKA

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:31 pm**

There's a reason most things have a statute of limitations.

I have no idea whether the allegations are true or false. I won't pretend that I have some brilliant insight that the rest of you don't have. Obviously, false allegations do occur. On the other hand, people who have seriously studied the subject put the frequency of false allegations at something between 2 and 10 percent. We can guess, we can speculate, but bottom line is none of us know for sure, and even if there's an investigation, it's unlikely to reach a conclusion that most people will consider reliable.

What we do know is this allegation is 35 years old. There's no tangible evidence. All we have is a he-said-she-said, but even if (and that's a big if) they are telling the truth as they remember it, people's memories are not as reliable as they like to imagine them to be. It's just wrong to think that memory with no documentary or physical evidence can lead to a meaningful conclusion.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:43 pm**

Dukasaur wrote:There's a reason most things have a statute of limitations.
people who have seriously studied the subject put the frequency of false allegations at something between 2 and 10 percent.

You're misreading that figure.

2-10% reflects the number of cases which are proven false with material evidence. The real number of false accusations is higher unless there are no instances that lack physical proof of exoneration.

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