Conquer Club

I just saw something about Canada legalizing cannabis production. I only caught the tail end where they were interviewing some students, who want to learn to grow. It made me laugh that someone is getting away with using these lackey's to grow their weed.

Dan. Fucking Dan. Penny's probably been round doing his curtains. Ramming Dan. It was Ramadan at his place today. But he's no Muslim.

Marijuana became officially legal to produce, posses, sell, buy and use in Canada today Wednesday October 17 2018. I don't know what the rules are on selling, it's going to be regulated a bit like alcohol except, I can't plant beer seeds and have it easily grow for free. There's a reason they call it weed.

Canada's a big place too.

I'm not sure if the US has or will soon close the border.

If Trump wants a wall there he will need to build it himself. We're way too broke to pay for it and our construction workers were a bit high before this new change in the laws.

2dimes wrote:Marijuana became officially legal to produce, posses, sell, buy and use in Canada today Wednesday October 17 2018. I don't know what the rules are on selling, it's going to be regulated a bit like alcohol except, I can't plant beer seeds and have it easily grow for free. There's a reason they call it weed.

Canada's a big place too.

I'm not sure if the US has or will soon close the border.

If Trump wants a wall there he will need to build it himself. We're way too broke to pay for it and our construction workers were a bit high before this new change in the laws.

The laws on distribution are a matter of provincial jurisdiction, and vary from province to province. I haven't had a detailed look but judging from radio reports it seems the most laissez-faire rules are on the coasts -- Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and British Columbia seem to be allowing anyone to open a pot shop. In Nova Scotia there are actually street parties and free concerts sponsored by the tourism board in front of pot shops. The most repressive rules are in the usual sourpuss provinces in the middle - Manitoba and Saskatchewan seem to have enacted pretty strict rules limiting who can sell, while here in Ontario we have the worst deal of anyone. In Ontario there will eventually be some stores (estimates range from six months to a year from now) but for now the only way to legally buy pot is by mail order through the Ontario government website. There's no express option, so you pay now and wait 3 to 5 days for delivery. The licensing fees for private stores are expected to be astronomical and cities are allowed to opt out and prevent stores from opening in their town. Quite a range of policies between provinces. Also quite a range of prices -- from $5/gram for basic commercial weed on Quebec's website to $13.50/gram for premium grade on Ontario's website.

The U.S. angle is much more murky. The first announcements from the Homeland Security was that it would be business as usual -- people who make an income from pot would be prosecuted as drug dealers if they attempt to enter the U.S., even if they work in a completely legal cannabis operations. So far none have gone to jail or anything, but some have received bans from entering the U.S. (example)

Once they took a closer look, though, they found out just how intertwined Canadian pot companies are with American Big Business, and they began backpedalling fast. (Several major U.S. corporations, including Constellation Brands, Sandoz, Annheuser-Busch, and Philip Morris, are either partial or whole owners of Canadian pot companies. One Canadian pot company, Tilray, is actually under contract to the American Drug Enforcement Agency to provide cannabis for medicinal research, in partnership with Sandoz.) In the last few days, therefore, we've seen cooler heads at Homeland Security walk back their earlier announcements and say that Canadians will not automatically be prosecuted for working in the cannabis industry legally, although of course they can still be prosecuted for any involvement in illegal drug trade. Personally, I wouldn't trust these 'goodwill' announcements. They're just expressions of intent, not legally binding. I don't work in cannabis, but if I did, I wouldn't within a mile of the U.S. border. The risks are just too high.

Dukasaur wrote:The U.S. angle is much more murky. The first announcements from the Homeland Security was that it would be business as usual -- people who make an income from pot would be prosecuted as drug dealers if they attempt to enter the U.S., even if they work in a completely legal cannabis operations

It's going to be a big moneyspinner for Canada. Very little investment necessary and big returns. It'll be legal worldwide within 20 years.

I'm sure you'll need a licence to grow anything over a couple of plantsand some pretty serious security. It's a sign of the times that there's a certificate involved for learning how to grow a weed though lol

Dukasaur wrote:

2dimes wrote:Marijuana became officially legal to produce, posses, sell, buy and use in Canada today Wednesday October 17 2018. I don't know what the rules are on selling, it's going to be regulated a bit like alcohol except, I can't plant beer seeds and have it easily grow for free. There's a reason they call it weed.

Canada's a big place too.

I'm not sure if the US has or will soon close the border.

If Trump wants a wall there he will need to build it himself. We're way too broke to pay for it and our construction workers were a bit high before this new change in the laws.

The laws on distribution are a matter of provincial jurisdiction, and vary from province to province. I haven't had a detailed look but judging from radio reports it seems the most laissez-faire rules are on the coasts -- Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and British Columbia seem to be allowing anyone to open a pot shop. In Nova Scotia there are actually street parties and free concerts sponsored by the tourism board in front of pot shops. The most repressive rules are in the usual sourpuss provinces in the middle - Manitoba and Saskatchewan seem to have enacted pretty strict rules limiting who can sell, while here in Ontario we have the worst deal of anyone. In Ontario there will eventually be some stores (estimates range from six months to a year from now) but for now the only way to legally buy pot is by mail order through the Ontario government website. There's no express option, so you pay now and wait 3 to 5 days for delivery. The licensing fees for private stores are expected to be astronomical and cities are allowed to opt out and prevent stores from opening in their town. Quite a range of policies between provinces. Also quite a range of prices -- from $5/gram for basic commercial weed on Quebec's website to $13.50/gram for premium grade on Ontario's website.

The U.S. angle is much more murky. The first announcements from the Homeland Security was that it would be business as usual -- people who make an income from pot would be prosecuted as drug dealers if they attempt to enter the U.S., even if they work in a completely legal cannabis operations. So far none have gone to jail or anything, but some have received bans from entering the U.S. (example)

Once they took a closer look, though, they found out just how intertwined Canadian pot companies are with American Big Business, and they began backpedalling fast. (Several major U.S. corporations, including Constellation Brands, Sandoz, Annheuser-Busch, and Philip Morris, are either partial or whole owners of Canadian pot companies. One Canadian pot company, Tilray, is actually under contract to the American Drug Enforcement Agency to provide cannabis for medicinal research, in partnership with Sandoz.) In the last few days, therefore, we've seen cooler heads at Homeland Security walk back their earlier announcements and say that Canadians will not automatically be prosecuted for working in the cannabis industry legally, although of course they can still be prosecuted for any involvement in illegal drug trade. Personally, I wouldn't trust these 'goodwill' announcements. They're just expressions of intent, not legally binding. I don't work in cannabis, but if I did, I wouldn't within a mile of the U.S. border. The risks are just too high.

Everything I've been reading indicates that was is different about this change in laws vs other countries that have tried it out is that your Gov't want to be the main monopolized distributor. As you mention in Ontario there is going to be a 6-12 month period were the Gov't is the only legal dealer and it's via mail order. That's just bonkers to me, you guys do it with alcohol in Ontario too and it's such a fucked system. I have to deal with the LCBO regularly, and it's beyond broken system. I'm cautiously optimistic they can't f*ck up the growing, cutting and bagging of flowers, but once they get into edibles.....?

In the end, I'm sure BC or Alberta will work out the most rational systems and Ontario will be the worst. That seems to be how things work out in Canada. Don't know about the other provinces but since we are only talking about a few hundred people living in the others who cares.

I think it interesting americans wont allow anybody that has anything to do with pot into the states for life.
Legal or not.


American grown pot is ok tho, maybe they are simply shutting down more trade, "who needs tariffs when ya can just shut down trade altogether?"

armati wrote:I think it interesting americans wont allow anybody that has anything to do with pot into the states for life.
Legal or not.


American grown pot is ok tho, maybe they are simply shutting down more trade, "who needs tariffs when ya can just shut down trade altogether?"

So you are a globalist when it comes to pot, but for every other industry it's a horrible idea that will lead to the end of all freedoms?

mookiemcgee

I gotta ask, "how do you draw that conclusion from what I posted?"

Honust, Im interested to know.

2dimes wrote:Marijuana became officially legal to produce, posses, sell, buy and use in Canada today Wednesday October 17 2018.

Do you mean across the country? I could have sworn when I was in Toronto for the Barbershop Harmony Society's International Convention in 2014 there was a whole street with shops and everything.

tzor wrote:

2dimes wrote:Marijuana became officially legal to produce, posses, sell, buy and use in Canada today Wednesday October 17 2018.

Do you mean across the country? I could have sworn when I was in Toronto for the Barbershop Harmony Society's International Convention in 2014 there was a whole street with shops and everything.

"Medical" marijuana has been legal since 2001. Canada just became the second country in the world for legal marijuana.
Here's a decent article that clears away some of the confusion:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... w-problems

mookiemcgee wrote:
In the end, I'm sure BC or Alberta will work out the most rational systems and Ontario will be the worst. That seems to be how things work out in Canada.

I don't disagree.

This could take a lot of money out of the criminal world. Only if every outlet that sells is owned by the government and wages only, payed to staff. And all growing would have to be done by the government, again only paying a wage to staff.

This really is a big opportunity for Canada. They need to invest in massive growing areas, equipment and security. This will all be payed back within 3 months and from then on its all profits. With small running costs, security, electric, feed, compost or hydroponics, new bulbs, filters for smell ( if legal no need to hide smell though) etc.

I'm sure once the vegans etc realise about the carbon footprint involved in growing they'll be protesting, or maybe they'll be too stoned to bother

The only strange thing is I heard only two stores opened in Calgary a city of 1.3 million people or something. The line ups were pretty huge. I typically would have drove past for a look but did not bother.

2dimes wrote:The only strange thing is I heard only two stores opened in Calgary a city of 1.3 million people or something. The line ups were pretty huge. I typically would have drove past for a look but did not bother.

from what i've heard, only a very small % of people applying for the licenses filled out all the necessary paperwork correctly and/or completely...*shrugs*

2dimes wrote:The only strange thing is I heard only two stores opened in Calgary a city of 1.3 million people or something. The line ups were pretty huge. I typically would have drove past for a look but did not bother.

Give it time young jedi, it's only been 3 days since it's legal. Calgary will open more stores up by spring fo sho.

I did read an article that the gov't is already expecting to run out for the mail order stuff as they undershot on demand expectation.

I am pretty neutral. I don't use it but think canabis seems pretty low risk recreationally.

I'm guessing llama heard right. Never saw the forms but I bet they are pretty bad.

I saw an article that claimed an auto correct error nearly passed legislation legalizing "canibalism". True or not it's funny.

I find it surreal that the Ontario government has a website that sells bongs and "God Bud".

I'm guessing it's expensive but do they ship out of Provence? I bet ordering from Ontario to Alert or wherever might be bonus.

2dimes wrote:I'm guessing it's expensive but do they ship out of Provence? I bet ordering from Ontario to Alert or wherever might be bonus.

Just like booze and cigarettes, it's illegal to transport across Provincial lines, since each Province has its own tax rate.

Ah.

My favorite thing so far about this was a picture of the first customer at Nova Cannabis in Calgary in this article, labeled, "Ned Flanders". Classic!

https://www.thestar.com/news/cannabis/2 ... e-saw.html

[Mod Edit-TFO] smells sour and citrus with extremely fruity notes. Mango and strawberry are fruits that come to mind when you smell this beautiful flower. Slices of sour lemons and limes also penetrate when this beautiful girl is sniffing; it is this scent that resembles this strain. Very good for inspiration and positive thinking. I was very pleased, so I recommend

Alexis44 wrote:[Mod Edit-TFO] smells sour and citrus with extremely fruity notes. Mango and strawberry are fruits that come to mind when you smell this beautiful flower. Slices of sour lemons and limes also penetrate when this beautiful girl is sniffing; it is this scent that resembles this strain. Very good for inspiration and positive thinking. I was very pleased, so I recommend

Did you say....penetrate...I love it when you talk dirty.

Seems like theres a pot store on every corner here. Cheap too.