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if you haven't seen Avengers Endgame stop reading now.. this post will include spoilers..

I said stop reading it..

hey .. stop..

ok.. got that part out of the way..
now.. when Hulk does the reverse snap & brings back the 50% of the universes population.. this would basically ensure total death for almost everyone..
think about it.. it had been 5 years.. the population of every planet had been cut exactly in half.. for 5 years..
then magically everyone reappears..
so why does this equal almost certain death for all...?

because every planet would have already adjusted their food production to the new half population ..
currently like on earth .. we produce enough food for the 9 billion people and I would say that still isn't enough to feed everyone on the globe properly.. some countries do have it good.. others are on the brink of starvation..
but now imagine doubling the population instantly.. from 9 billion to 18 billion in one second..
vegetables would take 3-4 months to grow, fruit would take an entire year to grow.. animals would take a few years to grow enough o be able to eat or even be breed-able …

no one thought the 50% of the population would be coming back.. so it's not like there was a super big warehouse full of " just in case they come back" MRE's, Ramen Noodles & Spam

I would say a instant doubling of the population would devour the food stores & surplus at a phenomenal rate.. and would only ensure the mass starvation & death of almost everyone..

that's my rant.. feel free to either discuss it or say something I just said was racist..

#WheresAdamWarlock?

Is that really your beef with the movie?

If you want to find flaws (you can with any movie) then you should look for places where it contradicts its’ own logic. There are a few in this movie.

Your beef is random and could easily be solved by use of the Infinity Stones within the movie’s logic.

Scott Lang, "Wait so Back To the Future is total bullshit?"

jimboston wrote:Your beef is random and could easily be solved by use of the Infinity Stones within the movie’s logic.

no the infinity stones were returned to their original timelines by Captain America...

but that isn't " my only beef" with the movie... just the one I haven't seen anyone else talking about online..

another one would be Thanos did his Snap in infinity war .. in Wakanda on the eastern coast of Africa. in the middle of the day..
Hawkeye's Family & Nick Fury were turned to ash somewhere in the United States .. in the middle of the day.. it would be night time in the USA at the time of Thanos's Snap..

another one would be Captain America went back in time with Mjolnir.. but didn't come back with it.. so where is Mjolnir...?

Hulk could’ve fixed the food problem with a snap at the same time he brought people back.

Re: Time discrepancy on the ‘dusting’....
You do have to allow for some suspension of disbelief. That said there is a 7hr time difference between Tanzania (approximate location of Wakanda) and NYC. It’s definitely possible for it to be bright and sunny in Wakanda, NYC, and Hawkeye’s farm at the same time. 8pm / 1pm / noon or 11am... all 3 can be daylight. I don’t think they ever show a clock do they? They just show it as being daylight.

Re: Mjolnir.... just because you don’t see something on screen doesn’t mean there’s no answer. Maybe they’ll explain that for you in the next movie.

jimboston wrote:Hulk could’ve fixed the food problem with a snap at the same time he brought people back.

fans writing the script for the movie.. but the Avengers clearly told hulk " remember, only use the snap to bring back everyone who disappeared"... that was the only thing he did..

jimboston wrote:Re: Time discrepancy on the ‘dusting’....You do have to allow for some suspension of disbelief. That said there is a 7hr time difference between Tanzania (approximate location of Wakanda) and NYC. It’s definitely possible for it to be bright and sunny in Wakanda, NYC, and Hawkeye’s farm at the same time. 8pm / 1pm / noon or 11am... all 3 can be daylight. I don’t think they ever show a clock do they? They just show it as being daylight.

when Hawkeye's family got dusted.. the shadow under the picnic table was almost centered under it.. so that would be roughly 11am-1pm.. minus 7 hours.. that puts Wakanda at 4am-6am.... and that is assuming Hawkeye's house is in the eastern time zone of the USA

jimboston wrote:Re: Mjolnir.... just because you don’t see something on screen doesn’t mean there’s no answer.

that is brilliant.. I am glad you explained not knowing where something is by saying 'that doesn't mean there's no answer'.....

Your other two complaints aren’t worth discussing further. They are nit picky BS complaints. There are actually real complaints/questions that you could bring up... questions that seem to defy logic/reality/rules stated in the movie. Most of these are related to the time travel or “time heist”

NomadPatriot wrote:

jimboston wrote:

jimboston wrote:Re: Time discrepancy on the ‘dusting’....You do have to allow for some suspension of disbelief. That said there is a 7hr time difference between Tanzania (approximate location of Wakanda) and NYC. It’s definitely possible for it to be bright and sunny in Wakanda, NYC, and Hawkeye’s farm at the same time. 8pm / 1pm / noon or 11am... all 3 can be daylight. I don’t think they ever show a clock do they? They just show it as being daylight.

when Hawkeye's family got dusted.. the shadow under the picnic table was almost centered under it.. so that would be roughly 11am-1pm.. minus 7 hours.. that puts Wakanda at 4am-6am.... and that is assuming Hawkeye's house is in the eastern time zone of the USA.

I don’t know how you could really know the time. You’d have to know the location and climate to determine the time of year. You are aware we have different climate zones in the US and that days are longer in the summer, right?

That said... it was sunny out and they were eating. So we could make some guesses.

Regardless... the main problem with your rebuttal is you don’t seem to know how time zones work. Wakanda is 7 hours AHEAD of NYC. So if it’s 11am at Hawkeye’s house, and that’s in the Eastern (NYC) zone... that means it’s 6pm in Wakanda. Still bright and sunny at that time for a good chunk of the year.

If you wanna complain please do so intelligently.

I guess when someone makes a point & you cannot counter it, you just say " it's not worth discussing".. obviously your just here to argue & intentionally just wanting to be the constant contrarian...

jimboston wrote:Regardless... the main problem with your rebuttal is you don’t seem to know how time zones work. Wakanda is 7 hours AHEAD of NYC. So if it’s 11am at Hawkeye’s house, and that’s in the Eastern (NYC) zone... that means it’s 6pm in Wakanda. Still bright and sunny at that time for a good chunk of the year.

LOL.. I guess I did reverse the time zone calculation.. you are correct..
but in infinity War the Sky is bright blue and the shadows at still at basically the same angle.. entailing the sun is overhead.. not on the horizon..
7 hours ahead of a 11am - 1pm time frame would be 6pm - 8pm.. which would be sunset...

it actually doesn't matte I have no clue why I even typed out this response.. your just going to either:
A) decide it's not worth discussing anymore ( that seems to be trending...)
or
B) completely disregard actual movie footage to encase your fan written plot to fix the problems

because when you say things like this.. conversating about something civilly has just been tossed out the window..

jimboston wrote:Your other two complaints aren’t worth discussing further. They are nit picky BS complaints.

no more attention for you..

You want me to trust your observations about shadows and the angle of the sun... but you don’t know how time zones work and ignore points about latitude and time-of-year?

Find a real flaw. Don’t try to make one up then whine when it’s refuted. It’s unbecoming.olnir.ol

BTW, it IS a movie based on super hero comics. You do have to go into it accepting the fact that there may be things that don’t make sense or defy the laws of physics.

Also, I don’t feel a movie has to explain every little detail. They don’t have time and sometimes over-explaining limits what they can do in future movies. For example... your complaint about Mjolnir... I really didn’t give it much thought on my first viewing. When I saw it a second time it ‘seemed obvious’ to me that Cap was also going to have to return it to the past, just like the stones, to preserve the time line. Enabling past Thor to use it, and enabling Hela to destroy it in Ragnarock.

I didn’t and don’t feel this needed explaining.

Furthermore, by NOT explaining this, they leave open the possibility that Cap does something different and maybe they “trick Time” and find a way to prevent it from being destroyed by Hela. I think this is unlikely... but you leave yourself more options by not going into it.

geez someone got triggered after getting owned with actual data from the movie.

how can I tell your triggered. your so bent out of shape. in one single message you had to BTW, Also, Furthermore... in consecutive paragraph starts.

good gosh. I can see you red faced internal scream from here.

you keep trying to say I am complaining.. I am just pointing out things that are inconsistent.

but please continue to write the script for them.

if you do not like talking about the points I brought up. feel free to shut the F up and stop talking about them.. your getting bent out of shape ..
calm down Daisy Ridley...…

here I will completely change the subject onto another point so you can have some focus and get that blood pressure back down..

__> Iron Man & Nebula were the only 2 on earth who knew how the Soul Stone was created. by the Sacrifice of Gamora.
so...
Why did they send Hawkeye & Black Widow to the very Spot where they one of them would have to die in order to retrieve the Soul Stone.. ?
…
Nebula could have suggested maybe going to Thanos's Ship while other Nebula was being Tortured and try to prevent Gamora from revealing the location . or just kill the captured Nebula … or just go to any point Gamora was alive before the Soul Stone was created in order to just kill her since it wouldn't matter anyway. .thus preventing Thanos from getting the Soul Stone.
but no.. they chose to send 2 people who care about each other to a place where one of them is going to be forced to be sacrificed in order to get the stone.

derr.

jimboston wrote:When I saw it a second time it ‘seemed obvious’ to me that Cap was also going to have to return it to the past, just like the stones, to preserve the time line. Enabling past Thor to use it, and enabling Hela to destroy it in Ragnarock.

if Cap brings the 2nd Mjolnir back to the old time line and leaves it there.. then there would be 2 Mjolnir's in that time line.. just like there was 2 Cap's fighting each other.. your "Seems Obvious" thought makes absolutely no sense...

like I already said. your obviously just intent on being a 100% contrarian on every single thing I say regardless of what it is or how it makes complete sense according to the actual overall MCU movie's events..
so..
sorry you do not deserve any more attention.. this is the last response since you do not ever concede anything.
you're just here for attention..

NomadPatriot wrote:geez someone got triggered after getting owned with actual data from the movie.

This is you we are talking about right?

I thought you weren’t going to give me anymore attention?

NomadPatriot wrote:how can I tell your triggered. your so bent out of shape. in one single message you had to BTW, Also, Furthermore... in consecutive paragraph starts.

Or maybe i’m a bad writer? Or maybe i’m replying on my cell phone and i’m not proofreading as well as I might like? Or both?

You can continue to believe you’ve ‘triggered’ me... whatever that means.

NomadPatriot wrote:good gosh. I can see you red faced internal scream from here.

This superpower you claim, of being able to see my face from your current location, it defies the laws of physics. I object!

NomadPatriot wrote:you keep trying to say I am complaining.. I am just pointing out things that are inconsistent.

What? I can’t seem to hear your denials over all the complaining!

NomadPatriot wrote:if you do not like talking about the points I brought up. feel free to shut the F up and stop talking about them.. your getting bent out of shape ..
calm down Daisy Ridley...…

You tell me to “shut the F up” and then you claim I’m getting bent out of shape?
Sir, you are the first to resort to profanity (assuming that the F you use is a substitute for the word ‘f*ck’), so therefore I present this as evidence that you, Sir, are more ‘bent out of shape’ and more ‘triggered’ than I.

NomadPatriot wrote:here I will completely change the subject onto another point so you can have some focus and get that blood pressure back down..

Thanks kind Sir. Oh, wait... you’re still talking about the movie, so I guess you’re didn’t really ‘completely change the subject’.
Unless you’re defining the phrase ‘completely change the subject’ to mean something different than what most English speakers would say it means.

NomadPatriot wrote:__> Iron Man & Nebula were the only 2 on earth who knew how the Soul Stone was created. by the Sacrifice of Gamora.
so...
Why did they send Hawkeye & Black Widow to the very Spot where they one of them would have to die in order to retrieve the Soul Stone.. ?

Ummm did you even watch the movie?

That was the only way to get the stone. I guess Iron Man and Nebula were aware of the need for a sacrifice, but though it’s easy for use to know that requirement, it’s not clear the characters would have known a sacrifice was required. There was a lot going on, so really they just wanted a team that could achieve the goal of getting the stone, and the other teams were better suited to their stones... so maybe these two were the leftovers.

NomadPatriot wrote:Nebula could have suggested maybe going to Thanos's Ship while other Nebula was being Tortured and try to prevent Gamora from revealing the location . or just kill the captured Nebula … or just go to any point Gamora was alive before the Soul Stone was created in order to just kill her since it wouldn't matter anyway. .thus preventing Thanos from getting the Soul Stone.
but no.. they chose to send 2 people who care about each other to a place where one of them is going to be forced to be sacrificed in order to get the stone.

They could NOT do what you suggest because that would violate the ‘rules’ that they had to abide by. The rules stated by Hulk, Nebula, and The Ancient One. These ‘rules’ required that the take the stones BEFORE Thanos gets them, and then later return those stones back to a point just after taking them. Basically ‘borrowing’ them from the past just long enough to undo the Snap. They specifically Could Not prevent Thanos from getting them in the first place.

Now... you do have a possible violation of those rules when Thanos comes through the portal from the past. They don’t explain how that violation was resolved. I’m assuming when Tony does his Snap and Dusts Thanos and his baddies, that he places them back in the timeline from whence they came... but that means Thanos knows he ‘wins’ Nd then knows he ‘loses’... so there’s a pretty bad ‘rule violation’ there.

NomadPatriot wrote:

jimboston wrote:When I saw it a second time it ‘seemed obvious’ to me that Cap was also going to have to return it to the past, just like the stones, to preserve the time line. Enabling past Thor to use it, and enabling Hela to destroy it in Ragnarock.

if Cap brings the 2nd Mjolnir back to the old time line and leaves it there.. then there would be 2 Mjolnir's in that time line.. just like there was 2 Cap's fighting each other.. your "Seems Obvious" thought makes absolutely no sense...

Actually you’re a bozo. If he returns Mjolnir to the timeline moments after Thor borrows it from the timeline then the past is preserved.

The Cap fight and Cap saying ‘Hail Hydra’ these ARE more potential ‘time rule violations’ that may cause problems (or opportunities) for future movies.

NomadPatriot wrote:like I already said. your obviously just intent on being a 100% contrarian

NO I’M NOT CONTRARIAN!

NomadPatriot wrote:sorry you do not deserve any more attention.. this is the last response since you do not ever concede anything.
you're just here for attention..

Actually I think I pointed out three potential places where the movie may have violated it’s own rules... i’m not going to concede points that are not well thought out or that can be explained easily within the bounds of the movie universe.

The movie is fiction... you accept that it’s not going to obey the laws of physics (as we know them).
My only problem, or what I find fun to discuss, is when a movie like this violates the ‘rules’ it creates for it’s own ‘universe’.

good gosh.. I am not even responding to that 3,000 word diatribe

NomadPatriot wrote:good gosh.. I am not even responding to that 3,000 word diatribe

It’s well under 500 words.

Too much reading for yah?

So I win! Yah!

I think the use of the word diatribe is incorrect.

https://www.google.com/search?q=diatrib ... ent=safari

I would say I was forceful, but I wouldn’t agree with my comments being bitter.

Nor would I agree that my comments were an ‘attack’, I’m pretty sure I just explained where your logic was flawed, and defended myself when you attacked me with your STFU comment.

2dimes wrote:Scott Lang, "Wait so Back To the Future is total bullshit?"

Nothing, huh? It got a good laugh during the movie.

Coppola just released a "final cut" of Apocalypse Now. I haven't seen it, but I expect it'll have a few scenes of Cap shooting up and taking out villages now that it's canon that he was alive for 'Nam.

2dimes wrote:

2dimes wrote:Scott Lang, "Wait so Back To the Future is total bullshit?"

Nothing, huh? It got a good laugh during the movie.

That was a good line. I liked all the references to pop culture / older movies.
The movie in general was pretty funny, and Scott had a few good lines.

“I like to think of it as America’s ass Sir.”
(Maybe not an exact quote.)

Even though Scott was funny he had a lot of competition.
In order of favorite character /humor wise...

Thor
Hulk
Antman / Scott Lang
Nebula

Just my ranking.

Thor was by far my favorite character overall.

Damn, that's a tough call, but taking in to account all other movies too, I'd rank them:

Hulk
Groot (Dude, if you can't read "I am Groot" and picture a joke from one of the movies...)
Thor
Rocket (It's the stealing body parts thing that I love)

Symmetry wrote:Coppola just released a "final cut" of Apocalypse Now. I haven't seen it, but I expect it'll have a few scenes of Cap shooting up and taking out villages now that it's canon that he was alive for 'Nam.

Does Disney own the rights to that movie? I expect they’d ruin it.

Obviously I love a lot of what Disney/Marvel does... but I’d never suggest they’re the only ones who could make a good movie, nor do I think they would like to make that kind of movie. So it’s good we have different studios, different directors, different writers, etc.

... and you’re right it is cannon that he’s alive and awake during the Vietnam War era.... but I don’t think he can play a role there for a few reasons.
- He’s basically got to live that life in complete obscurity and avoid taking any action that might upset the timeline/his past.
- He’d be at least 45years old in 1965, but probably over 50... to old to re-enlist no? (Assumptions: 20yo when he froze, + 10 years min before Infinity War, + 5 years post snap, + he went back in what year(?) 1950 maybe, so another 15 years.... that’s 50yo and that’s conservative.) He was looking pretty good on that bench for a guy who had lived (not counting frozen years) probably close to 100 years. Of course in the comics they often imply or outright state that the super soldier serum basically slowed down his aging.

Symmetry wrote:Damn, that's a tough call, but taking in to account all other movies too, I'd rank them:

Hulk
Groot (Dude, if you can't read "I am Groot" and picture a joke from one of the movies...)
Thor
Rocket (It's the stealing body parts thing that I love)

Groot can be funny but it’s more how people react what he’s saying.

The obsession with spare body parts is humorous, but it’s less funny every time they say it.

I still think Antman is top 5 when you factor all movies.

I’d give honorable mentions to Star Lord and Micheal Pena (Luis from the Antman movies).

[YouTube]https://youtu.be/PvLi3L5obyE[/YouTube]

Looks like I don’t know how to link.

Michael Pena was my first thought for the amazing scene in Ant Man, but I discounted him as not a "superhero". Now that I think about it though, he does have a right to be there as much as the other non-super-powered characters.

For me the Rocket Joke just got more funny. Having a spare eye-ball in Infinity War was a great way of linking the movies and marking out his character in a busy movie.

I'm not sure that the "kept my head low and just hooked up with Peggy" post 1945 story really stands up to scrutiny though.

Symmetry wrote:I'm not sure that the "kept my head low and just hooked up with Peggy" post 1945 story really stands up to scrutiny though.

I would agree.

Anytime you mess with time there’s a good likelihood of a problem... there are at least 3 or 4 things that can mess with “the past” that were glossed over. I’m not sure if we are meant to “look the other way” and ignore these things, or if they’re there on purpose and will come up again.

I think we’re supposed to let the Cap thing go.

I think the Loki thing is gonna come up again.

poor jim…
denies being a complete contrarian then clams to win something after being denied a response
sorry .. but quoting me 15 times or whatever it was and posting that book of a comment isn't something I want to continue to engage in..
it just proves your a complete contrarian only here for attention..

I will just ignore you for now on..

it's just sad you cannot even stay on your own "Thanos Snapped and..." forum post to talk about the movie..
( maybe if you did it would be more popular... )

NomadPatriot wrote:poor jim…
denies being a complete contrarian then clams to win something after being denied a response
sorry .. but quoting me 15 times or whatever it was and posting that book of a comment isn't something I want to continue to engage in..
it just proves your a complete contrarian only here for attention..

I will just ignore you for now on..

it's just sad you cannot even stay on your own "Thanos Snapped and..." forum post to talk about the movie..
( maybe if you did it would be more popular... )

Thanks for coming!

jimboston wrote:

Symmetry wrote:I'm not sure that the "kept my head low and just hooked up with Peggy" post 1945 story really stands up to scrutiny though.

I would agree.

Anytime you mess with time there’s a good likelihood of a problem... there are at least 3 or 4 things that can mess with “the past” that were glossed over. I’m not sure if we are meant to “look the other way” and ignore these things, or if they’re there on purpose and will come up again.

I think we’re supposed to let the Cap thing go.

I think the Loki thing is gonna come up again.

I heard that there's some sort of Loki prequel in the works, so I doubt it'll be the last of Loki. The Marvel series movies seem like they are going for a bot of a reset though.

Did you watch Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse btw?