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The most lifeless place on earth

Postby Dukasaur on Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:55 pm

Life is very adaptable, and even the most extreme environments on earth generally have something living in them, at least bacteria if nothing else.

But now, an environment has been found that is so extreme nothing can live in it. There are bacteria that live in very hot, very salty, and very acidic environments. But the combination of all three is apparently too much.
https://scitechdaily.com/scientists-find-a-place-on-earth-so-extreme-there-is-no-life/
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The infernal landscape of Dallol, located in the Ethiopian depression of Danakil, extends over a volcanic crater full of salt, where toxic gases emanate and water boils in the midst of intense hydrothermal activity. It is one of the most torrid environments on Earth. There, daily temperatures in winter can exceed 45° C (113° F) and there are abundant hypersaline and hyperacid pools, with pH values that are even negative.

A recent study, published this year in Scientific Reports, pointed out that certain microorganisms can develop in this multi-extreme environment (simultaneously very hot, saline and acid), which has led its authors to present this place as an example of the limits that life can support, and even to propose it as a terrestrial analog of early Mars.

However, now a French-Spanish team of scientists led by biologist Purificación Lopez Garcia of the French National Centre for Scientific Research (CNRS) has published an article in Nature Ecology & Evolution on October 28, 2019, that concludes otherwise. According to these researchers, there is no life in Dallol’s multi-extreme ponds.

“After analyzing many more samples than in previous works, with adequate controls so as not to contaminate them and a well-calibrated methodology, we have verified that there’s no microbial life in these salty, hot and hyperacid pools or in the adjacent magnesium-rich brine lakes,” stresses López García.
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Re: The most lifeless place on earth

Postby NomadPatriot on Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:15 pm

The Most Barren and Lifeless Places on Earth:
Atacama Desert, Chile

The Most Barren and Lifeless Places on Earth: Atacama Desert With 1mm of precipitation per year, the Atacama desert is the driest place on the planet. Parts of the 1000-km long arid expanse are uninhabitable, even to bacteria.

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Re: The most lifeless place on earth

Postby DoomYoshi on Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:51 pm

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Re: The most lifeless place on earth

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:19 am

I thought the most lifeless place on earth was in saxi's pants.
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Re: The most lifeless place on earth

Postby KoolBak on Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:41 am

Or Eugene.
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Re: The most lifeless place on earth

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:40 pm

KoolBak wrote:Or Eugene.


Yeah i think you might be right.
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Re: The most lifeless place on earth

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:09 pm

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:I thought the most lifeless place on earth was in saxi's pants.


there's a difference between being lifeless and being soulless, jackass
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Re: The most lifeless place on earth

Postby Dukasaur on Wed Dec 18, 2024 9:40 am

It's still a beautiful picture.
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Re: The most lifeless place on earth

Postby Talon12Briar on Wed Dec 18, 2024 12:12 pm

KoolBak wrote:Or Eugene.

My friend's name is Eugene! :D :D :D
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Re: The most lifeless place on earth

Postby HitRed on Wed Dec 18, 2024 1:10 pm

wonder if the green is from copper
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Re: The most lifeless place on earth

Postby mookiemcgee on Wed Dec 18, 2024 2:09 pm

I think most of the color is from sulphur
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Re: The most lifeless place on earth

Postby ConfederateSS on Wed Dec 18, 2024 4:33 pm

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Re: The most lifeless place on earth

Postby KoolBak on Thu Dec 19, 2024 7:11 pm

What a pleasant surprise. I assumed this was a thread about MrSwdke's skull.

Cool pix.
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Re: The most lifeless place on earth

Postby Dukasaur on Fri Dec 20, 2024 1:54 am

HitRed wrote:wonder if the green is from copper

mookiemcgee wrote:I think most of the color is from sulphur


The yellow is almost certainly from sulphur. But I'm guessing the green is from iron sulphate.

It's true that copper sulphate is green in its solid form, but it turns blue when it dissolves, whereas iron sulphate stays green even in solution.
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Re: The most lifeless place on earth

Postby Pack Rat on Fri Dec 20, 2024 8:16 pm

Iron sulfate is also a medicine treating iron deficiency.
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Re: The most lifeless place on earth

Postby Pack Rat on Fri Dec 20, 2024 8:24 pm

Since we are now talking about iron and sulfur. Here is something to watch, iron 7 parts and 4 parts sulfur and mix with caution!


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Re: The most lifeless place on earth

Postby jusplay4fun on Sat Dec 21, 2024 1:24 am

Dukasaur wrote:
HitRed wrote:wonder if the green is from copper

mookiemcgee wrote:I think most of the color is from sulphur


The yellow is almost certainly from sulphur. But I'm guessing the green is from iron sulphate.

It's true that copper sulphate is green in its solid form, but it turns blue when it dissolves, whereas iron sulphate stays green even in solution.


One complicating factor is that both iron and copper have 2 oxidation states or charges; iron can be +2 (ferrous) or +3 (ferric); copper can be +1 (cuprous) and +2 (cupric).

In my experience, actually holding and working with copper(II) sulfate, it is blue in the hydrated form and white if dehydrated. I got confirmation:

Copper(I) sulfate, also known as cuprous sulfate, is an inorganic compound with the chemical formula Cu2SO4. It is a white solid, in contrast to copper(II) sulfate, which is blue in hydrous form.


I not recalling having worked with copper(I) sulfate.

And Duk is right about sulfur, YELLOW. I do not recall working with iron(II) sulfate, but it is indeed green:

Iron(II) sulfate, also known as ferrous sulfate or copperas, is a chemical compound. Its chemical formula is FeSO4. It is made of iron and sulfate ions. The iron is in its +2 oxidation state.

Properties
It is a blue-green crystalline solid when hydrated and white when anhydrous.


both above from Wikipedia

and what about the other form of iron sulfate, iron(III) sulfate?
Iron (III) Sulfate formula or the ferric sulfate is an inorganic salt with the formula Fe2(SO4)3. It is yellow in colour and is soluble in water.

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Iron (III) Sulfate Properties
Properties of Iron (III) Sulfate
Name Iron (III) Sulfate
Also Known as Ferric Sulfate, Sulfuric acid – iron(3+) salt
Appearance Yellow crystalline solid or greyish-white powder.

https://byjus.com/iron-iii-sulfate-formula/#:~:text=Iron%20(III)%20Sulfate%20formula%20or,and%20is%20soluble%20in%20water.

Further, copper(II) ions make the aqueous (water) solutions blue [starting from copper(II) sulfate].

Copper metal (neutral or oxidation state zero) will, after "aging" and undergoing oxidation, stain concrete a bluish-green color. I am thinking of copper used as gutters on roofs, or the Statue of Liberty, too.

Why does copper turn green?
Have you ever wondered why copper does copper turn green? When left outdoors to the elements, copper transforms from a bright, shiny new penny shade, to a burnished brown, and finally to a distinct green color and makes it such a great choices for products such as copper awnings.

This unique characteristic of copper is completely natural and is often referhttps://www.crescentcitycopper.com/index.htmred to as the “patina” – which referrers to the way copper changes color and turns green as it ages. This natural process actually preserves the copper and protects it from the outside elements.

Over time copper will naturally change colors – transforming from a shiny brown color to darker browns, then blues and finally greens after a number of years. When exposed to the natural elements such as wind and rain, copper develops this “patina” which actually protects and preserves the metal underneath.

Natural Oxidation
Just like rust develops on iron, patina develops on copper when the copper sulphate on the surface interacts with oxygen in the environment. Importantly, unlike rust which corrodes iron, patina actually protects and preserves the copper underneath.

https://crescentcitycopper.com/why-does-copper-turn-green/#:~:text=Over%20time%20copper%20will%20naturally,and%20preserves%20the%20metal%20underneath.

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When it was unveiled in 1886, it was a shiny brown color, like a penny. By 1906, the color had changed to green. The reason the Statue of Liberty changed colors is that the outer surface is covered with hundreds of thin copper sheets. Copper reacts with the air to form a patina or verdigris.

https://www.thoughtco.com/why-statue-of-liberty-is-green-4114936#:~:text=When%20it%20was%20unveiled%20in,form%20a%20patina%20or%20verdigris.

And iron ions will cause the aqueous solution to have an orange color or tint.

These Color questions remind me of an experiment done in my first year in college to identify various ions in Lab. It took me several tests to identify about 7 ions in a selective and sequential set of steps. I had to go back to the Lab to confirm my various hypotheses. This experiment made me want to major in Chemistry, which is my undergraduate degree.
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