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Posted: **Sat Dec 25, 2021 8:47 pm**

I have had something noticeable since last Sunday. Woke up with a sore throat.
Later at various times during the last week, I have had, fever, runny nose. Cough. Sore chest. Fatigue. Some aches.

Wife sent me off to get my left nostril swabbed on Thursday so we could re-assure people it was just a cold.

I was notified today I am positive for Covid-19. They did not say what variant.

Get tested I guess.

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 5:51 am**

So you waited over a week, displaying symptoms, and ignored it. How many people have you infected? f*ck dude. My son's best friend's dad just died horribly having been infected by someone that did the exact same thing. Glad you're up north.

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 7:37 am**

It's hard. A mild case of covid is virtually indistinguishable from the common cold. If you have a mild case, the first thing that comes to mind is that you have a cold, it's nothing. Only if your symptoms are more severe will you clue in right away.

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 9:02 am**

Let us not go back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness.

by James Thurber

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 9:07 am**

jusplay4fun wrote:
Let us not go back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness.

by James Thurber

Based on what I have read and heard about the Omicron variant of COVID, the symptoms of it are mild. This is so much better than Delta that caused deaths and many to be hospitalized. Doctors (and medical people) who first reported this variant in South Africa, this has been its characteristics: milder and more easily and thus more widely transmitted.

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 10:02 am**

Dukasaur wrote:It's hard. A mild case of covid is virtually indistinguishable from the common cold. If you have a mild case, the first thing that comes to mind is that you have a cold, it's nothing. Only if your symptoms are more severe will you clue in right away.

BULLSHIT. And I say again ...FUCKING BULLSHIT.

How long has this fucked the world? You coughed / sniffled / felt slightly off? ASSUME YOU HAVE IT AND ACT ACCORDINGLY. If someone pulled the uncaring, self assured, uneducated DimeBag shit and infected / killed my father or bride? Yeah, I'd fucking kill them. An eye for an eye. NO EXCUSE.

It's is literally CRIMINALLY negligent. Literally. How many downstream infectees have you killed? Guess we'll never know, but maybe your particular God will and take it out of your soul in your particular afterlife. f*ck me

My 20 year old niece just two days ago was coming down from Seattle to see the family. She developed a slight cough. She FUCKING STAYED HOME BECAUSE THATS WHAT YOU DO. Missed Christmas with your parents? Sad, but you'll all live through it for another in the future

Just SMH. Fucking unbelievable

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 10:06 am**

Koolbak, I honestly don't know what you think I was doing after I woke up with a sore throat. I was not out wandering around anywhere public.

I don't cough on people when I feel healthy, if I am even by myself and sneeze into paper, I wash my hands with hot water and soap and/or use hand sanitizer.

I started symptoms last Sunday, one week ago today.

I stayed home and have been in bed for quite a bit of that time, particularly the first few days. I am in bed right now.

My father was by himself with my mom's chihuahua/pomeranian yesterday. His toilet still does not work properly because I did not get a plumber to go over to check it out Monday because I stayed home believing I had a cold.

I hope I did not share it with anyone.

But yes, if any of you have a cold, you should isolate and probably get checked for Covid-19.

Dukasaur wrote:It's hard. A mild case of covid is virtually indistinguishable from the common cold. If you have a mild case, the first thing that comes to mind is that you have a cold, it's nothing. Only if your symptoms are more severe will you clue in right away.

A couple days before my first symptom I was at a restaurant with my in-laws. One was just getting over a cold but had tested negative for Covid. Another is an emergency Doctor. He may have caught that cold but also tested negative for Covid-19.

I (foolishly) thought I caught the same thing. We were all assuming it came from them since I was there eating and the rest of the time I wear a mask in public. Though I never thought a mask was 100% effective.

Maybe I did catch both that cold and Covid.

Two of the other three times I had been tested in the past, it seemed much more possible it was actually Covid. This time I felt like we were being over cautious and I was wasting a test.

I guess this is why the list of symptoms is so large.

Koolbak is right about a couple of things.

Though I have never knowingly been in contact with anyone that has had it, it's out there.

And the huge list of symptoms that should prompt testing is there for a reason.

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 2:21 pm**

2dimes wrote:I have had something noticeable since last Sunday. Woke up with a sore throat.
Later at various times during the last week, I have had, fever, runny nose. Cough. Sore chest. Fatigue. Some aches.

Wife sent me off to get my left nostril swabbed on Thursday so we could re-assure people it was just a cold.

I was notified today I am positive for Covid-19. They did not say what variant.

Get tested I guess.

I've had the same symptoms the last couple days. I got tested twice and both times was negative, so I guess it's just a cold.

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 2:34 pm**

KoolBak wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:It's hard. A mild case of covid is virtually indistinguishable from the common cold. If you have a mild case, the first thing that comes to mind is that you have a cold, it's nothing. Only if your symptoms are more severe will you clue in right away.

BULLSHIT. And I say again ...FUCKING BULLSHIT.

How long has this fucked the world? You coughed / sniffled / felt slightly off? ASSUME YOU HAVE IT AND ACT ACCORDINGLY. If someone pulled the uncaring, self assured, uneducated DimeBag shit and infected / killed my father or bride? Yeah, I'd fucking kill them. An eye for an eye. NO EXCUSE.

It's is literally CRIMINALLY negligent. Literally. How many downstream infectees have you killed? Guess we'll never know, but maybe your particular God will and take it out of your soul in your particular afterlife. f*ck me

My 20 year old niece just two days ago was coming down from Seattle to see the family. She developed a slight cough. She FUCKING STAYED HOME BECAUSE THATS WHAT YOU DO. Missed Christmas with your parents? Sad, but you'll all live through it for another in the future

Just SMH. Fucking unbelievable

The fault is public health messaging, not 2dimes or any individual. The public is used to normal vaccines which do have a robust effect in preventing transmission. If you're vaccinated with Recombivax HB against Hepatitis B you are 99.9% protected against Hep B infection for at least 30 years. During that time there is a statistically zero chance you can pass Hep B because there's no chance you can get it. From Day 1 these should have been referred to as prophylactics, not vaccines.

In any case, the only people 2dimes could conceivably have put at risk of severe response are those 60+ or obese or with comorbidities, who had been unvaccinated.* The tool is available for this class of people to protect themselves, and it is their responsibility to do so, not 2dimes' responsibility to protect them. 2dimes can't be expected to stop driving a car because some people don't wear seat belts.

* Once again, I support targeted (not universal), voluntary (not mandatory) vaccination.

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 4:43 pm**

Thanks Saxi.

Even before this happened I agreed with the idea, "Don't share your illnesses with everyone."

Even though we thought I only had a cold. I was isolating as soon as I woke up with the first noticeable symptom. a sore throat Sunday December 19.

My wife started looking into getting me tested on December 21, the first appointment was Thursday December 23.

We expected it to be negative so I could start hanging out with my best bud who has not been here for a long time. Possibly over a year. He got to town on the 23rd. Now we won't see each other at all, until some unknown future date.

The only thing that changed yesterday with the result is Even though it does not seem real, according to the test I have Covid-19.

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 6:00 pm**

Be Aware, saxi, that llama may flag you for double posting. What is the llama penalty for a double post? two turnips in your stocking?

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 6:01 pm**

jusplay4fun wrote:Be Aware, saxi, that llama may flag you for double posting. What is the llama penalty for a double post? two turnips in your stocking?

and tough call on COLD or COVID, NOW? perhaps?

I d k, but I am not a doctor, unlike saxi, who claims to know lots about medicines and vaccines.

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 7:23 pm**

To those who won't get a vaccine/wear a mask/avoid social situations: Because a lot of people have died and this virus is ongoing, and others have injuries for the long-term, and many livelihoods will never recover, and whereas some businesses thrive on this situation many are still on hold - it is so selfish to attempt normality around those who make an effort at taking precautions. I appreciate you have a long argument for yourself, but so do I, and expect to be treated like a dick. They didn't make it a fascist law, that doesn't mean you shouldn't be a good citizen. Fascist.

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 7:39 pm**

Do it or loose your job doesn’t sound fascist.

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 7:44 pm**

saxitoxin wrote:
KoolBak wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:It's hard. A mild case of covid is virtually indistinguishable from the common cold. If you have a mild case, the first thing that comes to mind is that you have a cold, it's nothing. Only if your symptoms are more severe will you clue in right away.

BULLSHIT. And I say again ...FUCKING BULLSHIT.

How long has this fucked the world? You coughed / sniffled / felt slightly off? ASSUME YOU HAVE IT AND ACT ACCORDINGLY. If someone pulled the uncaring, self assured, uneducated DimeBag shit and infected / killed my father or bride? Yeah, I'd fucking kill them. An eye for an eye. NO EXCUSE.

It's is literally CRIMINALLY negligent. Literally. How many downstream infectees have you killed? Guess we'll never know, but maybe your particular God will and take it out of your soul in your particular afterlife. f*ck me

My 20 year old niece just two days ago was coming down from Seattle to see the family. She developed a slight cough. She FUCKING STAYED HOME BECAUSE THATS WHAT YOU DO. Missed Christmas with your parents? Sad, but you'll all live through it for another in the future

Just SMH. Fucking unbelievable

The fault is public health messaging, not 2dimes or any individual. The public is used to normal vaccines which do have a robust effect in preventing transmission. If you're vaccinated with Recombivax HB against Hepatitis B you are 99.9% protected against Hep B infection for at least 30 years. During that time there is a statistically zero chance you can pass Hep B because there's no chance you can get it. From Day 1 these should have been referred to as prophylactics, not vaccines.

In any case, the only people 2dimes could conceivably have put at risk of severe response are those 60+ or obese or with comorbidities, who had been unvaccinated.* The tool is available for this class of people to protect themselves, and it is their responsibility to do so, not 2dimes' responsibility to protect them. 2dimes can't be expected to stop driving a car because some people don't wear seat belts.

* Once again, I support targeted (not universal), voluntary (not mandatory) vaccination.

bad logic by saxi:
1) seat belts are not vaccines;
2) not all diseases are alike, therefore not all vaccines work to the same level of efficacy;
3) as I already stated, vaccines for the flu and pneumonia are offered and needed YEARLY for these respiratory diseases;
4) such vaccines are not "One and Done" for lifelong Immunity;
5) COVID is essentially a respiratory disease.

ERGO:
6) COVID will likely need a yearly vaccine.
7) Because COVID is not hepatitis does not mean the vaccines will act the same.
8 ) Therefore, you will not get a "One and Done" COVID vaccine.
9) All vaccines, medicines, and medical treatments does involve some degree of Risk.
10) saxi wants a vaccine that is 100% effective and 100% safe;
11) he can hold his breath and keep waiting for such.
12) saxi continues to spread misleading and fake news. SoS.

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 8:00 pm**

HitRed wrote:Do it or loose your job doesn’t sound fascist.

That is correct, it is a health emergency and not the rise of military dictatorships. In a democracy you're just expected to mind public health in your job.

For most of us, it would be great if doubters would take every precaution they can, within reason, and not make obscure political arguments about it. The doubters make the health situation worse. These vaccines aren't efficient, and the thing is then to keep throwing everything at it, a big stitch-in-time strategy. We simply haven't done that at all, and it is largely because of a minority pushing doubt. Government messaging has also not been supportive of our best efforts. Half-measures support the chances of mutations laying waste to those. That has always been the science. People who really "follow" science might have known that 2 years ago.

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 8:05 pm**

JdeV 100 wrote:
HitRed wrote:Do it or loose your job doesn’t sound fascist.

That is correct, it is a health emergency and not the rise of military dictatorships. In a democracy you're just expected to mind public health in your job.

How long does this health emergency last?

Is it over yet? If not, what is the criteria that will help determine when this Crisis (Health Emergency) is over?

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 8:07 pm**

jusplay4fun wrote:
JdeV 100 wrote:
HitRed wrote:Do it or loose your job doesn’t sound fascist.

That is correct, it is a health emergency and not the rise of military dictatorships. In a democracy you're just expected to mind public health in your job.

How long does this health emergency last?

Is it over yet? If not, what is the criteria that will help determine when this Crisis (Health Emergency) is over?

I am glad you asked, it is a contagion so it keeps getting worse until we ALL make a sustained effort.

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 8:12 pm**

JdeV 100 wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:
JdeV 100 wrote:
HitRed wrote:Do it or loose your job doesn’t sound fascist.

That is correct, it is a health emergency and not the rise of military dictatorships. In a democracy you're just expected to mind public health in your job.

How long does this health emergency last?

Is it over yet? If not, what is the criteria that will help determine when this Crisis (Health Emergency) is over?

I am glad you asked, it is a contagion so it keeps getting worse until we ALL make a sustained effort.

No, the Spanish flu ended without “ALL making a sustained effort.”

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 8:13 pm**

8.7 to KB for his over-reaction, an additional 1.0 now that it turns out 2dimes was isolating the whole time anyway :lol:

The only times that there's any significant chance of one person transmitting Covid to another is if they are in close face-to-face contact with that person for an extended period of time, or not necessarily face-to-face but still in close quarters to that person indoors (e.g. plane, train, restaurant, bar) for an extended period of time. If you are really worried about catching Covid then as an individual it is entirely possible for you to take all the precautions you need to to avoid catching Covid without relying on any else to behave in any particular way.

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 8:19 pm**

The point when hospitals are not getting overloaded, would be similar to the end of the Spanish Flu. It has been very frustrating for me, because I was working with bands and performers putting on events in small venues, for the love of it, and because it is all freelance I haven't had recourse to government help, just cancelled everyone and daren't start up until there's some certainty - so food and hospitality venues that push on regardless only to cancel midway through are frankly pissing me off, they have only made it worse. But the government help stopped and their strategy wasn't the good one I described, it was the ultimate half-measure: do holiday, in fact let's call it a freedom day because we had put it in the calendar with zero respect for the actual data; do send your kids to school, they can't catch a virus, defo; celebrate the British economy and don't "cancel Christmas"; don't vaccinate teens; and don't try all your measures at once. But each argument that fell, was always bound to fall. The doubters are political idiots, other idiots, and the self-interested. Of course I understand. I also have to compromise. Just make an effort, everyone... End of story.

It isn't an overreaction. If your life has been as normal bully for you, mf.

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 8:27 pm**

JdeV 100 wrote:let's call it a freedom day because we had put it in the calendar with zero respect for the actual data

If you think we should respect data and not make political decisions, why are you arguing for vaccine mandates (not recommended by JCVI and opposed by the WHO) or vaccinating teens (opposed by the JCVI and WHO)?

The doubters are political idiots

Hmm.

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 8:31 pm**

I didn't argue for mandates, I argued for respecting the scale of the problem. I posted a link to the BMJ the last time we discussed this, and you weren't very interested.

I haven't been in lockstep with the JCVI, although Sage committee members do publish independently and I read what they have to say, or with the WHO, but they are correct now that a sustained coordinated strategy is better than letting it spread in the 3rd world. We haven't discussed any of this.

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 8:34 pm**

JdeV 100 wrote:I didn't argue for mandates, I argued for respecting the scale of the problem. I posted a link to the BMJ the last time we discussed this, and you weren't very interested.

I wasn't interested because, as I said at the time, that was an opinion article written by three doctors who cited zero data or research. I can't even remember exactly what the discussion was about but I'm sure you can understand why you sharing an unreferenced 200-word blog rant didn't change my mind.

I haven't been in lockstep with the JCVI

Christ, if JCVI have publishing their recommendations without first consulting CC poster JdeV and his folder of Google research then I am worried.

Posted: **Sun Dec 26, 2021 8:36 pm**

It is a medical issue. I do have an issue with the WHO, and it is because like governments they vacillate waiting on sponsors. You make it sound like I am pro-government and pro- world government, but I am concerned that people haven't wanted to address the problem, and it is not correct for "everyone to make up their own mind what they will do" if the problem is a contagion. Not after 2 years of chaos, and my point is, if you are sensible, not before it either.

But I am not a fascist, so I have not demanded mandates, much less military intervention. And I don't see it as an appropriate challenge, being an additional layer of politicisation of a global medical emergency. World economists are no better, and I am not expecting them to pop in either, big tough guy, I am just trying to talk some sense, giving you that honour.

(On the point of the article on the BMJ, if you spend any time there you will recognise some sensible opinion that is perfectly well-sourced, as well as peer-reviewed studies. It wasn't much of a case against the article, your own opinion.)

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