Conquer Club

-------- Celebration???.... ... ....
----------- I get it , it is a test flight....But today's America.... participation trophies... everyone wins..
----------- The space craft was supposed to 1) Take off...2) Separate from the Space craft...3) The Space craft was to go almost all the way around Earth, splash down near Hawaii...

---------- They are Celebrating the take off... Really???...
---------- The Space craft took off....Like the Challenger Shuttle took off...
---------- It didn't separate from the fuel , stage section...Not only didn't separate...The Space craft exploded into 4 parts....They Celebrate???.... Remember when failed launches exploded was a terrible failure...Whether after take off...Like Challenger....Or...When 3 Astronauts, were blown up on the launch pad...
--------- I know today test was unmanned...But something that doesn't go according to plan...Is no reason to celebrate....You can learn from the failure....Like all failures...But celebrating it, is just this stupid ass , everyone is a winner attitude...That is killing the American Spirit/Competition....etc....F.U...Elon....You "F"ed up....You and all those idiots cheering on the ground....Are another reason.... America is in decline........ ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... .... Although the people on the ground, might of been cheering, because it blew up...

---------Elon's rockets are blowing up....
---------- His electric cars and charging stations are the worst ever car bombs/ fire nightmares, even passing the Exploding Ford Pinto....The drivable gas tank... ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ....Oh , yeah...He has named his dog to run Twitter...Well that idea , is his best ever...The dog , is smarter than...98% of the people on Twitter...Elon gets a , nice job...Great Move on that one...

How many sailors died exploring the world in the Age of Exploration?

Have you never heard a successful person (in any profession) get interviewed?
When asked how they “got so good/successful” invariably the answer is related to “learning from their failures”.

Get some balls and grow up.

BTW.. who is celebrating?

jimboston wrote:
BTW.. who is celebrating?

Unclear, but in the video when the ship reached the state of "rapid disassembly," instead of gasping, people cheered.

Presumably a celebration for it clearing the launch pad and gaining altitude prior to end of service.

Possibly because pizza and participation awards had arrived.

I've got to push back on this. The goal for that test flight was to clear the tower. Yes, they had multiple additional stretch goals, including completing an orbit of the earth, and those were not accomplished. So the test was not a complete success, but it did what was needed and more. SpaceX did not plan to recover or reuse this test vehicle. They have another half dozen or more in production and will be ready for another test (that will almost certainly orbit the earth) in a few months.

SpaceX is the unquestioned leader in space launches at this point. SpaceX's Starship compares very favorably to NASA's SLS. Starship has twice the thrust of SLS (meaning it can carry much more into space), is around 1/10 the cost of SLS, and has a much faster development cycle. The SLS has been in development (as a replacement for the Space Shuttle) since 2011, even though it is largely repurposing technology from the 1970s and 1990s. The first SLS flight (originally planned for 2016) was in November 2022. The second SLS flight is scheduled for November 2024 (based on NASA's recent track record, expect this to be delayed by at least one year). For reference, my brother works for NASA, and I have contracted with them to perform some rocket engine tests for the purpose of collecting optical sensor data. NASA is a highly politicized and bureaucratic entity that spends a ton of time simulating, planning, re-planning, re-simulating, and so on. Now, NASA does have a great safety track record overall and they don't have the epic explosive results to their tests, but that's because they've delayed those tests for years and had multiple teams of people review every single possible scenario a dozen times or more. SpaceX is much more willing to take the experimental approach, knowing full well that there will be failures. In a controlled test environment, often the failures can actually be more instructive than the successes!

SpaceX is fielding a very innovative approach to the launch vehicle. I could go into some of the technical challenges they're dealing with if you're interested. Anyone that grew up watching shuttle launches, reading Jules Verne, and dreaming about visiting other planets couldn't help but be awestruck back in February 2018 to see the Falcon Heavy launch the Tesla Roadster into deep space and then have the two boosters return to Cape Canaveral for a simultaneous upright landing!


SpaceX has never lost any astronauts. The test went according to plan, and to anyone following SpaceX's development, it was absolutely a cause for celebration. It was a huge technological achievement and is a full generation ahead of any other rocket currently in development. Go look back at the Falcon and Falcon Heavy launches. They had some pretty spectacular "Rapid Unplanned Disassembles" of those as well. SpaceX is willing to take risks and embrace failures as they build towards success. They are the best of the American competitive spirit, in contrast to NASA and ULA who would rather spend year after year working with old "safe" technology, going way over budget and failing to meet any deadlines along the way, so that they never have a failure. That is America in decline.

As for Tesla, there are occasional issues with the batteries, and as a new technology (compared to the overwhelming majority of cars on the road), not everyone is sufficiently trained to deal with them when problems occur. However, they also catch fire at approximately 1/8 the rate of the average car on the road. Tesla gets the attention because they're new and interesting and rare. All the other car fires and explosions are routine and uninteresting, so they don't get the attention.

There are many Good Points made by Doc Brown and by JimB.

To explore is to takes RISKS and to push the Boundaries.

It is better to TRY and Fail versus to NEVER try and thus never fail.

Thank you Doc. An excellent post.

Doc_Brown wrote:Well articulated post.

You're counter-posing against a guy who wears a tin foil hat. You could go outside and explain to a rock why it's a rock and have better results.

Why IS it a rock?

We now go to corespondent Bon Scott.

-------- Elon says they will learn from the exploding spacecraft....His Tesla cars have been catching fire for years....If he learns , why does his electric cars/charging stations keep catching fire???...I feel sorry for those Astronauts, who will be in the spacecrafts , from learned explosions...Down the line...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...
------------ I said you can learn from failure.....But failure is no reason to celebrate...Well unless you own or work for Tesla...

ConfederateSS wrote:-------- Elon says they will learn from the exploding spacecraft....His Tesla cars have been catching fire for years....If he learns , why does his electric cars/charging stations keep catching fire???...I feel sorry for those Astronauts, who will be in the spacecrafts , from learned explosions...Down the line...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...
------------ I said you can learn from failure.....But failure is no reason to celebrate...Well unless you own or work for Tesla...

https://www.carsmetric.com/tesla-car-fire-statistics/

You would do well to look at FACTS before you start crying about how Tesla’s catch on fire.

If you don’t trust my source find others that provide different info. You will see some small deltas but nothing significant.

Most important stat… 1 fire for every 175 million miles traveled; versus 1 fire for every 19 million miles traveled (all other combustion vehicles).

They are safer.

The biggest challenge when it comes to Tesla fires is that they are harder to put out than traditional car fires, and typically need way way more water. This is partially due to the nature of the fire… electric versus gas, and partially do to the design of the car/location of the battery. Over time, as more EV’s are sold, different equipment will become more readily available and betetr suppression techniques will be developed.

Tesla’s aren’t perfect… I have my opinions… but they are not “more likely to catch fire” than regular cars. That’s just misinformation.

Not like old German cars with the cloth wrapped fuel lines and magnesium engine blocks. We called those Hitler's Revenge They burn good....

We once had a Volvo with an auxiliary heater that actually burned gas from the tank so you could stay warm with the engine off.

It burned very nicely.

Dukasaur wrote:We once had a Volvo with an auxiliary heater that actually burned gas from the tank so you could stay warm with the engine off.

It burned very nicely.

One day, you guys will learn to ignore Confeds shit posting.

Why would we do that?

You're an idiot

DirtyDishSoap wrote:One day, you guys will learn to ignore Confeds shit posting.

Why would they? I am glad they read Confed's post, I have a hard time with the format. But I also enjoy reading their responses. Even though they are replying to Confed's post, it's info for everyone.

kentington wrote:

DirtyDishSoap wrote:One day, you guys will learn to ignore Confeds shit posting.

Why would they? I am glad they read Confed's post, I have a hard time with the format. But I also enjoy reading their responses. Even though they are replying to Confed's post, it's info for everyone.

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------- Thank You Kindly ...Kens...
-------It's always nice to read something original, not just Mainstream crap...Passed , on and on...By mindless followers...
------- Take another Space Thread....2 things...
------- The Columbus prisoners would be harder... Because, everyone believed you would Really FALL OF THE FACE OF THE EARTH...Yet, prison sucks, so they took their only way to see FREE Skies...

------- Now for Today's prisoners...Not someone who is in for a few years....But Lifers, or those on Death Row... Could be given an offer( Not dragged onto spaceships)...They can be put to death in prison, stay in prison for life...Being that it would take The Mental Capacity to be alone for a long space trip...You could try and teach Astronauts that, but it would take forever...It is not easy being alone...Look at the 2020 A.D. COVID-19 Lockdowns.... People couldn't handle being separated from basic life....Kids are still dealing with being shut out of things, school...The ones say not in high school then , but the lower grades...It is going to effect them through college...Take a look at society the past few years... America is upside down... People still haven't recovered mentally from the lockdown...
-------- Those in prison, solidarity confinement...Are used to the Mental Strain of being alone...They could be offered to go into space...They could handle the strain of going alone...When they return, they will BE FREE....A person was quick...Confed wants prisoners killed...No, They will die in prison... However, That person, could of said, The Prisoners will be set free on their return...Watch out society....Yes, Space Travel is dangerous...But WE ALL know the concept of Space Travel.....Where as in Columbus' time.... People actually thought, if you sailed to far, you would actually die...Yet, some went anyway...
-------- Maybe , not mainstream boot lickers....But, it is wonderful to have people, who think for themselves....Out of the box thinkers.....Like a Columbus, the world is round....The Wright Brothers, man can fly... Imagine where the world would be, if everyone were mainstream boot lickers...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...