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Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) said Monday he will co-sponsor a measure to block President Biden from sending cluster bombs to Ukraine, joining a small group of Democrats on an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).

“I will be the Republican co-sponsor on the NDAA amendment introduced by [Rep. Sara Jacobs (D-Calif.)] to stop the transfer of cluster bombs. These cluster bombs will not end the war in Ukraine and will not build a more stable country,” Gaetz wrote in a tweet, which included a video clip from his podcast. “Children will be left without limbs and without parents because of this decision if we do not work together in a bipartisan fashion to stop it.”

Members of Biden’s own party have been split on the decision, and Jacobs’s amendment to the NDAA is one of the latest efforts to push back against the decision.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4089 ... o-ukraine/

... at least 38 human rights organizations have publicly opposed the transfer of cluster munitions to Ukraine...

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4085 ... ntroversy/

In public, President Biden likes to whisper to make a point. In private, he's prone to yelling.

Behind closed doors, Biden has such a quick-trigger temper that some aides try to avoid meeting alone with him. Some take a colleague, almost as a shield against a solo blast.

The president's admonitions include: "God dammit, how the f**k don't you know this?!," "Don't f**king bullsh*t me!" and "Get the f**k out of here!" — according to current and former Biden aides who have witnessed and been on the receiving end of such outbursts.

Jeff Connaughton, a former Biden campaign and Senate aide who was chief of staff to Kaufman when he filled Biden's seat in the Senate, wrote about Biden's temper in his 2012 book on Washington corruption, "The Payoff: Why Wall Street Wins."

Connaughton wrote that as a senator, Biden was an "egomaniacal autocrat … determined to manage his staff through fear."

Connaughton told Axios that Biden "hides his sharper edge to promote his folksy Uncle Joe image — which is why, when flashes of anger break through, it seems so out of public character."

The White House declined to comment.

https://www.axios.com/2023/07/10/biden- ... -president

jimboston wrote:What’s the “War Crime”?

Neither the US, nor Russia, nor Ukraine have signed any agreements to limit the use of Cluster Bombs.

jonesthecurl wrote:Oh god I agree with Saxi. Help me!

jimboston wrote:What’s the “War Crime”?

Neither the US, nor Russia, nor Ukraine have signed any agreements to limit the use of Cluster Bombs.

saxitoxin wrote:

jimboston wrote:What’s the “War Crime”?

Neither the US, nor Russia, nor Ukraine have signed any agreements to limit the use of Cluster Bombs.

Make that argument to the White House. They're the one who said any use of cluster munitions in Ukraine would be a war crime.

See:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5077002/ ... r-missiles

bigtoughralf wrote:

jimboston wrote:What’s the “War Crime”?

Neither the US, nor Russia, nor Ukraine have signed any agreements to limit the use of Cluster Bombs.

Most civilized countries (most of Europe, Canada, Palestine, Australia, NZ, Japan, most of S America, most of Africa, Afghanistan etc) have signed up to a UN-facilitated international agreement outlawing them.

You're right that rogue states like Sudan, Russia, North Korea and the US have refused to do so, but governments putting their fingers in their ears doesn't make use of cluster bombs okay.

jimboston wrote:you are free to bring the same weapons to a fight that your opponent brings.

bigtoughralf wrote:

jimboston wrote:you are free to bring the same weapons to a fight that your opponent brings.

If you're comfortable using fourth grade 'he started it' logic as your justification for using weapons that unecessarily endanger civilians then more power to you I guess.

bigtoughralf wrote:

jimboston wrote:you are free to bring the same weapons to a fight that your opponent brings.

If you're comfortable using fourth grade 'he started it' logic as your justification for using weapons that unecessarily endanger civilians then more power to you I guess.

bigtoughralf wrote:All those words just to double down on your position of 'other people do it so I do it too'.