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The Deportees: names and faces

Postby Dukasaur on Sun Jun 08, 2025 6:25 pm

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Musmanno first arrived in the U.S. in 2000 under a visa waiver program. After his visa expired, he stayed.

He married his longtime partner and Paola's mother Fabiana Zuin in 2017, when she was a permanent resident. They have four children and two grandchildren.

Now his wife is a U.S. citizen and Paola said the couple recently filed a petition for Musmanno to get his green card.

She said immigration officials confirmed they had received the application and were processing it — something U.S. Customs and Border Protection denies.

"Maybe they can do the same thing that they do to my father or somebody the FBI is looking for or some guy who has bad record or criminal record. I understand that. Of course I want a better country, you know?" Paola said.

"But I don't understand why they deport my father, who has a petition already. I don't understand that. It's not fair. ... My father doesn't have any criminal record, not even a parking ticket."
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Re: The Deportees: names and faces

Postby Pack Rat on Mon Jun 09, 2025 11:26 am

...so much for priorities to deport illegals with felonies.

It's easier for ICE to go to schools, work places and immigration courts to arrest otherwise law abiding families. The same people who have been in this country for years working and paying taxes.

I do cringe watching protesters waving Mexican flags around burning cars.
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Re: The Deportees: names and faces

Postby Pack Rat on Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:15 am

Trump is sending in the troops. Ohio State here we go!

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTjpx9Mdg/
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Re: The Deportees: names and faces

Postby jusplay4fun on Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:55 pm

Pack Rat wrote:Trump is sending in the troops. Ohio State here we go!

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTjpx9Mdg/


You probably meant Kent State: "Four Dead in Ohio.."



Right State, wrong college pack rat. :roll: :roll: :roll: Continue to show US how smart YOU ARE, pack rat. :roll:
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Re: The Deportees: names and faces

Postby Murphalot on Fri Jun 13, 2025 2:46 pm

awww, look at all the Vaxxed, ukraine-loving, Biden/Kamala/Hilary-voting ambulance chasers in here.

so this fat illegal alien intentionally overstays his Visa [this is called a crime] for 17 YEARS - then gets married & assumes he's in the clear? Because he's otherwise a nice person.
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so... Duka .... when someone is a gentle, nice person, they can break any laws they deem necessary, because they're entitled to?

And somehow this makes Immigration and Customs Enforcement super evil, lol? F.A.F.O. my brain-dead, shit-lib friends.

Hey, Duka, how are you enjoying all that lovely cultural enrichment by the ungrateful swarms in the Niagara peninsula?
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Re: The Deportees: names and faces

Postby Dukasaur on Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:44 pm

Murphalot wrote:so... Duka .... when someone is a gentle, nice person, they can break any laws they deem necessary, because they're entitled to?

There is a difference in jurisprudence between mala in se and mala prohibita.

Crimes that are considered mala in se are things that are inherently wrong -- murder, rape, robbery, fraud, etc., where you're hurting someone and you know damn well that it's wrong.

Crimes that are considered mala prohibita are things are are only illegal because some asshole in government said they should be. You're not doing anything inherently wrong, you're not hurting anyone, you're just annoying the powers that be.

Overstaying your visa is in the same category as forgetting to renew your driver's license: it's an administrative crime, it doesn't hurt anyone, just pisses off the bureaucracy. Should be punishable by a small fine, not by having your entire life torn apart.

Murphalot wrote:Hey, Duka, how are you enjoying all that lovely cultural enrichment by the ungrateful swarms in the Niagara peninsula?

I like cultural diversity. And the recent immigrants that I've met have been very nice people.
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Re: The Deportees: names and faces

Postby Murphalot on Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:54 pm

Duka, mate, you are a part of the problem. The problem of social disconnect huffing societal obstacles in front of more intelligent humans. People who don't exercise rational LOGIC #-o using healthy skepticism are a massive f*cking liability to ANY community.
Cultural diversity is inherently self-destructive - entirely. You are deluding yourself because some parts of your brain aren't functioning properly.

your separation of "moral crimes" vs. "immoral crimes" is valid to a small extent.

This prick wasn't paying taxes for 17 f*cking years.
This prick - like MILLIONS of others - thought he was hollier than thou, and said "F*ck you America, i'm not gonna be honest and apply for LEGAL IMMIGRATION [like allllllll the other honest, RESPECTFUL humans do] , no... i'm gonna take your yummy milk & honey, and park my stinking fat, entitled, lazy Latin-American ass within your borders, AGAINST the law, tax-free, cuz f*ck your legal entry procedures!"

~17 years later~

Queu the sympathy-harvesting left-leaning horse-shit printing machine: "omg, nooooo, how could this happen, why you treat me like this? i was too arrogant to apply legally and didn't want to pay taxes, i just wanted to plow my wife to shit out anchor babies, and enjoy your governmental gibs. omg this is sooo unfair, whhaaaaaaaaa! :-x "

F*ck.
Right.
Off.

Hundreds of innocent patriots' lives were f*cked over for accepting the invitation of capital police to open the capital doors, and stroll through the marked carpet to observe the art and architecture our founding fathers paved for us.

but, god forbid we enforce the f*cking law for once and get a President with some big balls to do proper border enforcement of rounding up freeloading illegals who hate this country.
And for all the smooth-brained, fully-vaxxed, mentally ill, tranny-loving, liberal, left-leaning retards that think J6 2021 was an insurrection: there is nothing on this planet that can cure what you have. Have fun when your mysterious turbo cancer eats you up =D> . Lay down on some train tracks and wait for the light
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Re: The Deportees: names and faces

Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Jun 13, 2025 11:38 pm

IF President Obama deported 3 million persons, more that ANY other President in U.S. History, WHY were there NO PROTESTS while he was President? This does make one wonder.

the Obama administration did a historic number of deportations - more than 3 million removals.

https://www.npr.org/2024/12/05/nx-s1-5207967/lessons-learned-from-when-the-obama-administration-deported-millions-of-people

Did President Obama remove more noncitizens from the U.S. than any other president in U.S history?

Yes.

Former President Barack Obama formally removed 3 million noncitizens from the U.S. over two terms – more than any other president in American history, according to data from the Department of Homeland Security.

In comparison, President George Bush removed about 870,000 people; Bill Clinton, about 2 million; and Donald Trump about 1.2 million people during his first term.

The DHS defines a removal as a formal court order expelling a person from inside the U.S. Obama does not hold the record for returns, a separate statistic addressing individuals turned away at the border prior to entering the U.S.
According to the Migration Policy Institute, immigration and enforcement policies and practices under the Obama administration focused on recent unauthorized border crossers and those who had committed crimes.

When combining removals and returns, Clinton expelled about 12.3 million people, the most of any U.S. president overall.

https://elpasomatters.org/2025/02/13/gigafact-fact-brief-most-deportations-obama-trump-removals/

MORE here:
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/obama-record-deportations-deporter-chief-or-not

As detailed below, the Obama-era policies represented the culmination of a gradual but consistent effort to narrow its enforcement focus to two key groups: The deportation of criminals and recent unauthorized border crossers.

The most recent enforcement figures released by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) on December 30 offer the latest evidence of these trends. Eighty-five percent of all removals and returns during fiscal year (FY) 2016 were of noncitizens who had recently crossed the U.S. border unlawfully. Of the remainder, who were removed from the U.S. interior, more than 90 percent had been convicted of what DHS defines as serious crimes.


So, WHY? Because Biden and his cronies made a MESS of the immigration issue and did not continue the Immigration Policies of Obama, starting with Biden's Day One Executive Orders, changing EXPECTATIONS and causing many subsequent CRISES.
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Re: The Deportees: names and faces

Postby detlef on Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:07 am

I wade into the political morass with a great deal of trepidation because it's extremely ugly in here. In fact, this might be the only thing I say regardless of the response.

But, it seems Trump has decided to back off raids on ag and hospitality because it's hurting business and constituents he doesn't want to lose. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/13/us/politics/trump-ice-raids-farms-hotels.html

Um, ya think? How is it that he is only now figuring this out? Anyone could have told him this.

But that seems to be how he rolls because it's the same with tariffs. He goes in, guns a blazing, and then, the most predictable unintended consequences come up and he's forced to go back on his plan.

It seems that it would be nice if he thought about shit before he acted. Is that too much to ask?
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Re: The Deportees: names and faces

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:11 am

Murphalot wrote:Cultural diversity is inherently self-destructive - entirely.

Exactly the opposite.

I study a lot of history, and history speaks unequivocally on this subject. Every Golden Age in human history is the result of cross-cultural fertilization.

If you think of Athens in the 4th Century B.C. The original Bronze Age Myceneans had recently been overrun by Iron Age Dorians. At the same time, Phoenician traders brought new ideas and new technologies from the Levant. Meanwhile, the growth of the Scythian slave trade brought fresh genetic material from the Black Sea region. Voila, the Golden Age of Greece.

Think of 17th Century Britain. Not some homogenous Anglo-Saxon blob to begin with, but already a melting pot of half a dozen different Nordic and Celtic strains. And then, a flood of refugees -- Huguenots expelled from France, Jews expelled from Spain, economic refugees from the Pomeranian coast, traders from as far as Egypt, all coming together in the great multicultural and multilingual marketplace that was 17th Century Britain. Voila, the greatest commercial empire the world has ever known! (later a political Empire, too, but the commercial empire came first.)

Think of 19th Century America. A vast swarm of immigrants from a dozen different European nations, mixing it up with Natives, recently freed black slaves, migrants from Spain's disintegrating Empire, immigrants from every significant population centre on Earth! Voila, the explosion of invention and ingenuity that led to the most powerful economy on earth!

Think of Alexandria in the 1st Century B.C., Baghdad in the 12th Century A.D., Florence in the 14th, Prague in the 15th, Amsterdam in the 16th, Paris in the 18th, as well as the aformentioned glories of Athens, London, and New York. All of them multicultural and multilingual swarms of people leading to great explosions of philosophical, scientific, artistic, and economic advancement.

A homogenous society is a stagnant society. Corners of the world where no migrants flow are places fighting against the arrow of time, complacent in their provincial ignorance, slowly decaying, getting inbred, declining, and becoming a sad footnote in the pages of history. Just as the regular flooding of the Nile brought fresh nutrients downriver to ancient Egypt, so the regular flooding of migrants brings new genetic material, new ideas and new methods to society.



Murphalot wrote:This prick wasn't paying taxes for 17 f*cking years.

Why would you think that? He was working, and jobs normally deduct taxes at source. Even if he found some (increasingly rare) "under the table" job, he's still paying tax. The owner of the business pays more tax because of the labour inputs he can't deduct, and he passes along the cost by paying a lower rate to his "under the table" guys. So, whether you pay overtly or covertly, it's literally impossible to work without paying income tax in some form.

And of course he pays sales tax when he buys things, he pays property tax on his house (even if you rent the tax is built into your rent) he pays taxes when he fills up his car, etc., etc., etc. Unless you move into the bush and wear nothing but bear skins, it literally is quite impossible to not pay taxes in some form.
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Re: The Deportees: names and faces

Postby jusplay4fun on Sun Jun 15, 2025 6:37 am

Dukasaur wrote:
Murphalot wrote:Cultural diversity is inherently self-destructive - entirely.

Exactly the opposite.

I study a lot of history, and history speaks unequivocally on this subject. Every Golden Age in human history is the result of cross-cultural fertilization.


I totally agree with Duk on this point. Most of the time the "cross-cultural fertilization" brings much good and few negatives. I think that Murphalot would have made a good member of the Know Nothing Party:
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The Know Nothing party, also known as the American Party, was a prominent nativist political movement in the United States during the 1850s. It was characterized by its strong anti-immigrant and anti-Catholic sentiments, with members often publicly claiming to "know nothing" about the party's inner workings when questioned by outsiders.


Dukasaur wrote:
Murphalot wrote:This prick wasn't paying taxes for 17 f*cking years.


Dukasaur wrote:Why would you think that? He was working, and jobs normally deduct taxes at source. Even if he found some (increasingly rare) "under the table" job, he's still paying tax. The owner of the business pays more tax because of the labour inputs he can't deduct, and he passes along the cost by paying a lower rate to his "under the table" guys. So, whether you pay overtly or covertly, it's literally impossible to work without paying income tax in some form.

And of course he pays sales tax when he buys things, he pays property tax on his house (even if you rent the tax is built into your rent) he pays taxes when he fills up his car, etc., etc., etc. Unless you move into the bush and wear nothing but bear skins, it literally is quite impossible to not pay taxes in some form.


I think Duk makes a valid point here, too.
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Re: The Deportees: names and faces

Postby Maxleod on Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:08 am

Jewkasaur wrote:Slavery is Progress


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Re: The Deportees: names and faces

Postby detlef on Sun Jun 15, 2025 8:24 am

jusplay4fun wrote: I think that Murphalot would have made a good member of the Know Nothing Party

I think that Murphalot is more interested in being a bombastic prick than he is in making a valid point. And he illustrates that in many places in these forums.
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Re: The Deportees: names and faces

Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Jun 19, 2025 1:33 am

LA Rioters, Gov, Newsom, and Mayor Bass are trying to protect these criminals from ARREST? How many were previously deported? (See the list of 9 arrested illegal aliens at the bottom of this post.)

DHS Reveals More Heinous Criminal Illegal Aliens Including a Murderer, Pedophile, and Drug Traffickers Arrested during Los Angeles Operation
Release Date: June 11, 2025

WASHINGTON - Today, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) released more information about some of the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens arrested during the ongoing Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) operation in Los Angeles (LA), California (CA). These arrests occurred June 9 and 10 despite prolonged violent riots and assaults on ICE and other federal law enforcement officers.

“Murderers, pedophiles, and drug traffickers. These are the types of criminal illegal aliens that rioters are fighting to protect. How much longer will Governor Newsom and Mayor Karen Bass continue to prioritize these criminal illegal aliens over their own citizens?” said Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin. “Secretary Noem has a message to the LA rioters: you will not stop us or slow us down. ICE will continue to enforce the law and arrest criminal illegal aliens.”

Below is a list of some of the violent criminal illegal aliens arrested in ICE’s Los Angeles Operation on June 9 and 10:

Gerardo Antonio-Palacios, an illegal alien from Mexico, was arrested by ICE Los Angeles. He has criminal convictions for homicide and burglary. He was previously deported.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/06/11/dhs-reveals-more-heinous-criminal-illegal-aliens-including-murderer-pedophile-and

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DHS highlighted nine arrests — all of whom the agency says are in the country illegally.

Mexican national Gerardo Antonio-Palacios had been deported before but was previously convicted of burglary and homicide. Cambodian national Mab Khleb, 53, was convicted of transporting and possession of a controlled substance, battery, and "lewd action with a child," according to DHS.

Laotian Sang Louangprasert was criminally convicted of "lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14" and "inflicting corporal injury, spouse or cohabitant."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ice-ramps-up-arrests-convicted-criminals-riots-rage-blue-city-will-not-stop-us

btw:
Bass and California Gov. Gavin Newsom have also issued statements this week, blaming much of the protest violence on “fringe” groups – often from outside the area
(...)

The DHS said those arrested include a convicted murderer, a pedophile and drug traffickers.

Officials provided the following list identifying the nine arrested:

Gerardo Antonio-Palacios: Convictions for homicide and burglary

Mab Khleb: Convictions for transport of a controlled substance, possession of a controlled substance, lewd action with a child, and battery

Sang Louangprasert: Convictions for lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 and inflicting corporal injury, spouse or cohabitant

Antonio Benitez-Ugarte: Conviction for drug trafficking

Alberto Morales-Mejia: Convictions for manufacturing amphetamine and prior arrests for document fraud and possession of a weapon

Raul Teran-Guillen: Prior arrests for human smuggling and money laundering

Carlos Alberto Escobar-Flores: Conviction for grand theft (money/labor/property)

Jose Jimenez-Alvarado: Conviction for two counts of theft

Jesus Romero-Retana: Convictions for threatening crime with intent to terrorize and battery

https://www.yahoo.com/news/homeland-security-identifies-convicted-felons-183831357.html
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Re: The Deportees: names and faces

Postby WILLIAMS5232 on Sat Jun 21, 2025 11:35 am

Little anecdotal experience here.

I started construction work in Houston Texas in 1997. I was 18. I actually started with this company in New orleans, after a few months we went to Longview Texas for a few months, then tenaha for a month, then Athens for about 3 months. All in Texas. Probably mid 1998 I went to Houston. It was a pretty big cultural shock for me, because there were so many Mexicans. Growing up as a white guy in mississippi I thought Mexicans lived in Mexico. We were building the new Astros stadium at the time, and I would take a wild estimate that in the construction industry, it was probably a 75%-25% ratio of hispanic-non Hispanic. Fast forward to today and that changes to more like 98%-2% (another wild guess)

In that time, I've worked with some of these guys from that first job in Houston until right now today, on the job I am on now. I'm by no means fluent in spanish. But I can communicate pretty well. Some of those same guys still don't have proper credentials to this day. Imagine that, 25 years, no telling how many years before that. I've known these guys and still no papers. These are good guys too. I get along great with them, I've been to their family gatherings (and they are very large) and I've never been treated better in my whole life than at a Hispanic family celebration. And that's not isolated to one of them, probably all 10 I've been invited to in the last 20 years. I say this to say I have 0 ill will to the hard working Hispanic folks I work with everyday.

On the flipside, I know a handful that have gained citizenship over the years as well. I've also known some guys that got deported, recently, and even under president Barrack Hussain Obama. I don't recall if any were under joe biden or Bush, maybe, I just don't recall.

I've talked with them about this on occasion, and it just seems like a problem of complacency. And comfort knowing they probably won't be picked up. But you're not going to change that mindset by bogging down any momentum that this current push has in courts and basically keep kicking the can down the road.

If you're gonna tell me a Gavin Newsom or a Maxine Waters gives a damn about these people other than trying to score political points I don't guess we think the same, but this is a highly complex issue, that needs to be handled. And if deporting a couple hundred thousand or million gets another hundred thousand or a million to gain their citizenship, that's the best we got right now. Congress has had decades to get this sorted out, but, they're too busy trying to get photo ops of getting thrown on the floor so they can fuel their riots.
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Re: The Deportees: names and faces

Postby Pack Rat on Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:24 pm

Not only is the new Gestapo rounding up immigrants with documents, but AMERICANS! They committed a crime called not being Caucasion.







These masked thugs who won't show their IDs or badges and carry assault rifles is Un-American.

Due Process explained simply:


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Postby WILLIAMS5232 on Sat Jun 21, 2025 1:19 pm

Pack Rat wrote:Not only is the new Gestapo rounding up immigrants with documents, but AMERICANS! They committed a crime called not being Caucasion.







These masked thugs who won't show their IDs or badges and carry assault rifles is Un-American.

Due Process explained simply:




The 3 videos you show were of people interfering with law enforcement, did you post the wrong set of videos?
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Re: The Deportees: names and faces

Postby mookiemcgee on Sat Jun 21, 2025 1:31 pm

WILLIAMS5232 wrote:Little anecdotal experience here.

I started construction work in Houston Texas in 1997. I was 18. I actually started with this company in New orleans, after a few months we went to Longview Texas for a few months, then tenaha for a month, then Athens for about 3 months. All in Texas. Probably mid 1998 I went to Houston. It was a pretty big cultural shock for me, because there were so many Mexicans. Growing up as a white guy in mississippi I thought Mexicans lived in Mexico. We were building the new Astros stadium at the time, and I would take a wild estimate that in the construction industry, it was probably a 75%-25% ratio of hispanic-non Hispanic. Fast forward to today and that changes to more like 98%-2% (another wild guess)

In that time, I've worked with some of these guys from that first job in Houston until right now today, on the job I am on now. I'm by no means fluent in spanish. But I can communicate pretty well. Some of those same guys still don't have proper credentials to this day. Imagine that, 25 years, no telling how many years before that. I've known these guys and still no papers. These are good guys too. I get along great with them, I've been to their family gatherings (and they are very large) and I've never been treated better in my whole life than at a Hispanic family celebration. And that's not isolated to one of them, probably all 10 I've been invited to in the last 20 years. I say this to say I have 0 ill will to the hard working Hispanic folks I work with everyday.

On the flipside, I know a handful that have gained citizenship over the years as well. I've also known some guys that got deported, recently, and even under president Barrack Hussain Obama. I don't recall if any were under joe biden or Bush, maybe, I just don't recall.

I've talked with them about this on occasion, and it just seems like a problem of complacency. And comfort knowing they probably won't be picked up. But you're not going to change that mindset by bogging down any momentum that this current push has in courts and basically keep kicking the can down the road.

If you're gonna tell me a Gavin Newsom or a Maxine Waters gives a damn about these people other than trying to score political points I don't guess we think the same, but this is a highly complex issue, that needs to be handled. And if deporting a couple hundred thousand or million gets another hundred thousand or a million to gain their citizenship, that's the best we got right now. Congress has had decades to get this sorted out, but, they're too busy trying to get photo ops of getting thrown on the floor so they can fuel their riots.


Respectfully, none of the people you've met who don't have papers have any shot at a legal path to legal residency... being here illegally now disqualifies them. The idea that deporting a million will allow another million to do it the legal way is entirely out of touch with how US immigration system works. There are two visa's that folks like the ones you worked with could actually apply for. H2-A (agricultural workers) and H2-B (non-Ag workers). The folks you've met would fall under H2-B working contruction... Congress has set the H-2B cap at 66,000 per fiscal year, with 33,000 for workers who begin employment in the first half of the fiscal year (October 1 - March 31) and 33,000 for workers who begin employment in the second half of the fiscal year (April 1 - September 30).

So the absolute maximum number the US can allow under current law to work jobs like construction is 66k (unchanged since Raegan)... There are currently around 8.3 million people employed in construction in the US so we are talking about allowing in 0.7% of the required labor that you yourself suggest in your area is currently around 98% filled by mostly undocument people where you live.

Until you see things like this addressed, and a fundamental change in the actual immigration policy (I don't mean border enforcement policy) you will continue to see 'a crisis at the border' regardless of how many billions are spent deporting people, or how many miles of new wall are built or how tough on immigration politicians try to be. Just imagine a US where 5-10 million people are here on temporary visa to work ag and construction. Business can actually come to the table and refuse to employ undocumented people because the supply of papered people is sufficient to fulfill their needs. Maybe business' actually see real penalties if they employ undocumented people. There is no longer a huge incentive to sneak in when there is a real shot at coming in legally. The gov't can track the legal temp workers and easily find and kick them out if they commit crimes or overstay their visa. If they quit their job the company informs the gov't and their visa is revoked. Undocumented people no longer take the risk of sneaking in because they can't easily find work anymore, and have a huge incentive to try and go home and come in legally. The courts are no longer overwhelmed because the system it's enforcing is actually functional. You don't even have to promise any path to citizenship or permanent residency. Workers would come, work hard and send money home and go home which I believe is what most Americans actually want or at the very least could live with.

That's my dream anyway, probably won't happen in my lifetime.
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Re: The Deportees: names and faces

Postby WILLIAMS5232 on Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:18 pm

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those numbers (66,000) may have been par back in the day, and maybe they were trying to save American jobs as well. but obviously that's not gonna cut it today. and I'm not aware of the actual process. the last person i know that became a citizen was 2 years ago, and she was El Salvadorean. which i know in the past, they had an easier path than people from Mexico. it took her about 1.5 years from start to finish with failing her interview the first time. but she was proud to be an american once she passed.

i know also, a decent number don't want citizenship. they just want to work for 10 years, which ends up being 20-30, while they support their family back home, and buy a little farm to go live on.

and to be clear, the 98% i spit out, just means that they're Hispanic. of that, there's probably 50% that are true citizens, or legally here. this doesn't change the problem, just want to be clear. I'm fairly confident of this 50% number because our company was bought out last year by a fortune 500 cooperation, and they did housecleaning. it was really a backhanded thing they did, but they basically fired everyone without proper documentation, hired a staffing agency to come out and rehire them, so now they're working for them under the staffing agency. and if it tells you anything, they're fine paying them the same, and then paying the staffing agency for their services. which no telling how much that is. there was about 150 employees that entered that "agreement" if that tells you anything about how bad they've been ripping them off all these years. it was a little chickenshit because they made it sound like what they were doing was just some new payroll thing. i think they didn't want to scare anyone off. but still.

and yeah, i think most people would be happy with your process, but i'm sure you're also right with we'll never see it.

i'm sure there are quite a few intricacies that i'm oblivious to, but i can run my life with a surplus, and it's so mind boggling we are supposed to have the best minds in the world, yet we still can't fix a problem.
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Re: The Deportees: names and faces

Postby jusplay4fun on Sat Jun 21, 2025 7:05 pm

The previous few posts have provided good input from both William and Mookie, and we get some "up-close" information (or anecdotal evidence) too.

And this caught my eye, and seems to be a valid idea, (although I though we had some type of guest worker program already in place; that may be the two programs that Mookie mentioned in his previous post that only allows some 66,000 temporary workers, H2-A & H2-B). Yes, indeed they are, as I found a reference to this program.

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The H-2A program is a guest worker program that allows U.S. agricultural employers to hire foreign workers for temporary or seasonal work when they can't find enough qualified domestic workers. It aims to address labor shortages in agriculture while also ensuring fair wages and working conditions for both domestic and foreign workers.


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Just imagine a US where 5-10 million people are here on temporary visa to work ag and construction. Business can actually come to the table and refuse to employ undocumented people because the supply of papered people is sufficient to fulfill their needs.


Yes, there needs to be real immigration reform (i.e., Laws) and not just folks trying to score political points on BOTH sides of this issue. There is too much complexity here to reduce it to "US vs. Them" ONLY.
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Re: The Deportees: names and faces

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Jun 23, 2025 12:38 am

I'm all for deportation of illegal aliens, even the nice ones and the ones who were clever enough to go a long time without getting caught.

I am, however, against the deportation of legal aliens such as Mahmoud Khalil who is now FREE!!! by order of the United States District Court for the District of New Jersey. =D> (Sorry, Israel, keep tryin' suckas!)
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