Is Racism tolerated at CC?

by **MikeFromLux** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:21 am

Three Questions for the CC Community-

1. Is the name 'White-Pride' Racist? Or is it a hapless coincidence?

2. If the name is a coincidence - is it too associated with the white supremacy movement to be allowed - becasue the term 'White-Pride' is featured as part of the flag for teh white supremacy movement - and that is considered racist?

3. Does CC Care if someone uses a moto - tome or slogan of any hate group? Wheter it be knowingly or unkowingly?

by **firth4eva** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:27 am

I agree with number 3 only. And can you not read? Or did you not see the forum guidlines about talking in colour, caps and big?

by **detlef** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:29 am

I, for one, would hardly consider CC as a nanny state if they told dude he needed to change that name. I agree with you completely. Nothing wrong with being proud of who you are but, as you said, the association that phrase has with some pretty fucked up people is a bit too much to overlook.

I can assure you, were I to find myself in a game with that person, I'd call them on it.

by **MikeFromLux** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:33 am

firth4eva wrote:I agree with number 3 only. And can you not read? Or did you not see the forum guidlines about talking in colour, caps and big?

I can read - i did not see the guideline.

Can you not read? These are questions - not statements. You don't agree with questions, you answer them.

by **owenshooter** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:36 am

i think you need to learn how to search a topic before posting. i can already see DiM gearing up for another tirade!!!-0

by **MikeFromLux** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:37 am

owenshooter wrote:i think you need to learn how to search a topic before posting. i can already see DiM gearing up for another tirade!!!-0

How about anwering the questions in this topic - before posting your cryptic nonsense -

by **owenshooter** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:39 am

MikeFromLux wrote:
owenshooter wrote:i think you need to learn how to search a topic before posting. i can already see DiM gearing up for another tirade!!!-0

How about anwering the questions in this topic - before posting your cryptic nonsense -

nothing cryptic at all about that statement!!! seriously, go do a search, you'll find tons about this.-0

p.s.-wonder if you can go ONE day without making a worthless thread...

by **Larry Mal** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:46 am

Only on Conquer Club would such a discussion turn into an argument so fast... about the caps lock button. Un-fucking-believable.

I think if I can be censored for having said an inappropriate thing- which I apologized for- a motherfucker who espouses racist and inflammatory bullshit designed to upset and offend others can be told to cut that shit out.

"White Pride"- what an asshole. Let's not give this clown- who I'm sure is a less than stellar representation of white people to begin with- the forum he wants here. Let's just put his ass out and he can play games with the other dickbags online who are sympathetic to his suspicion of inferiority.

It's pretty common in two thousand and fucking eight to understand that a business will be more succesful if, uh, racists are kept out... I can't even believe I'm writing this... I've seen a couple of other chumps with racist leaning monikers and whatnot. Let's get them out of here once and for all- if we can ban people for having two goddamn accounts we can ban them for being Nazis can't we?

by **MikeFromLux** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:54 am

Ownshooter - Larry Mal - I only brought this topic up in the General Discussion - because I first posted my concerns on the name (amoung other things) in the abuse forum:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48099

And you have people there defending his right to have that name. I did not see the previous banter about the name 'hitler' - it must have happened when I was away - but I was really surprised at the people who came out in favor of 'white-pride' - that is why I brought it here.

by **owenshooter** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:56 am

thank you, now this makes sense. pretty recently, a user named Hitler had his name changed, i believe... DiM was all over that... i suggest you PM a mod with your concerns and see if anything comes of it. thank you for explaining yourself, clearly. it makes a world of difference when you don't throw up some cryptic, random stuff in all caps, but make yourself clear and offer pertinent information.-0

p.s.-BOO, WHITE PRIDE!!!

by **EmperorBrak** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:11 pm

Just to play Devil's Advocate... Would anyone get upset if they say Blackpride, Asianpride?

Like I said- DA. I'm not fond of the name "white pride" but unless I know the connotation in which the person named himself (like if I click on his profile and he has a dude in a white hood) I'm not going to start yelling at him. I've seen names (like spearchuckers - which I deem offensive) that are far worse (to me). Could there be some other meaning for this guy calling himself that? Possibly... Am I going to start with him because of it? No. Would I if he started spewing hatred related to his name - more than likely.

Out of curiosity - has anyone PM'ed this person concerning his/her motives? Instead of having this discussion discluding this person wouldn't be good to get him/her involved and end the controversy?

Apologies if I'm repeating shit from the other thread... didn't look.

by **firth4eva** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:35 pm

MikeFromLux wrote:
firth4eva wrote:I agree with number 3 only. And can you not read? Or did you not see the forum guidlines about talking in colour, caps and big?

I can read - i did not see the guideline.

Can you not read? These are questions - not statements. You don't agree with questions, you answer them.

You edited it. I do believe clans sporting names of racist/hate groups should be destroyed.

by **wicked** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:35 pm

Racism, or any other form of bigotry is not permitted here. Just have a look at our guidelines and you'll see that. We don't check and approve every single username before it's activated, but we do ask people to change it if they pick something offensive once it's brought to our attention. So don't slam CC, when it's clear from our policies and actions that racism most certainly isn't allowed.

I suggest you also read Twill's post here:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48099&p=1246702#p1246702

by **owenshooter** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:36 pm

firth4eva wrote:You edited it. I do believe clans sporting names of racist/hate groups should be destroyed.

i hate when they go back and edit it, and make you look like a jackass... i HATE that!-0

by **MikeFromLux** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:39 pm

firth4eva wrote:You edited it. I do believe clans sporting names of racist/hate groups should be destroyed.

All I edited was the 'all caps' and colors - that you pointed out. I did not edit the content or change the statements to questions.

by **MikeFromLux** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:41 pm

wicked wrote:Racism, or any other form of bigotry is not permitted here. Just have a look at our guidelines and you'll see that. We don't check and approve every single username before it's activated, but we do ask people to change it if they pick something offensive once it's brought to our attention. So don't slam CC, when it's clear from our policies and actions that racism most certainly isn't allowed.

I suggest you also read Twill's post here:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48099&p=1246702#p1246702

I am not slamming CC - I was having the discussin in the other thread - and everyone who was posting there, was so caught up in defending the use of the term. It made me question the conviction of the guidelines - that is why I posted here. Asking the questions were not a slam -

by **wicked** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:45 pm

Apologies if I misunderstood your intent. However, we take our anti-bigotry stance as serious as we take anything here, so questioning that was seen as a slam. Some people erroneously assume we somehow "allow" those offensive usernames, when in fact we just haven't seen them yet, or are already working with the person to change it.

by **firth4eva** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:48 pm

Yakuza anyone?

by **owenshooter** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:59 pm

wicked wrote:Racism, or any other form of bigotry is not permitted here. Just have a look at our guidelines and you'll see that. We don't check and approve every single username before it's activated, but we do ask people to change it if they pick something offensive once it's brought to our attention. So don't slam CC, when it's clear from our policies and actions that racism most certainly isn't allowed.

I suggest you also read Twill's post here:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48099&p=1246702#p1246702

yeah! if you have a real problem, always contact a mod, don't start a thread, especially without doing a search. something has happened to wicked, i have agreed with her twice in one week. maybe she got some wisdom with her new old age.-0

by **MikeFromLux** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:16 pm

owenshooter wrote:yeah! if you have a real problem, always contact a mod, don't start a thread, especially without doing a search.

Yeah - you told me that in a pm, I get it already.... but if I had not started the thread - you would not have had the opportunity to keep posting advice over and over and over.....

by **detlef** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:17 pm

EmperorBrak wrote:Just to play Devil's Advocate... Would anyone get upset if they say Blackpride, Asianpride?

Like I said- DA. I'm not fond of the name "white pride" but unless I know the connotation in which the person named himself (like if I click on his profile and he has a dude in a white hood) I'm not going to start yelling at him. I've seen names (like spearchuckers - which I deem offensive) that are far worse (to me). Could there be some other meaning for this guy calling himself that? Possibly... Am I going to start with him because of it? No. Would I if he started spewing hatred related to his name - more than likely.

Out of curiosity - has anyone PM'ed this person concerning his/her motives? Instead of having this discussion discluding this person wouldn't be good to get him/her involved and end the controversy?

Apologies if I'm repeating shit from the other thread... didn't look.

Oh my god is that a tired freaking argument. Us white guys are so shit on. Other races and sexes get to put pride after their name and all we get is control of the world. What a freaking crappy deal that is.

I can't imagine that dude somehow didn't realize that he was basically using a neo-nazi slogan. I mean, who the hell doesn't associate "white power" with that movement.

by **Fruitcake** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:02 pm

wicked wrote:Racism, or any other form of bigotry is not permitted here. Just have a look at our guidelines and you'll see that. We don't check and approve every single username before it's activated, but we do ask people to change it if they pick something offensive once it's brought to our attention. So don't slam CC, when it's clear from our policies and actions that racism most certainly isn't allowed.

I suggest you also read Twill's post here:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48099&p=1246702#p1246702

Except if it is about Catholics, then it is fully allowed judging by your actions wicked, in fact you join in. But if we dare step anywhere near that forbidden subject...you know the one about those people who we cannot mention for fear of cc being bombed, then wham! the thread gets locked. I even received a pm from lack saying there was fear about any kind of poking fun at them.

As usual, your double standards show themselves.

by **owenshooter** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:18 pm

Fruitcake wrote:As usual, your double standards show themselves.

and to think, i sided with her!! i am ashamed of myself!-0

by **wicked** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:23 pm

Fruitcake wrote:Except if it is about Catholics, then it is fully allowed judging by your actions wicked

Like hell it is. You're confusing people discussing and shaming CHILD MOLESTERS who happen to be priests, with bashing Catholicism as a whole. There is a HUGE distinction, although unfortunately, the two are intertwined. I am Catholic myself and don't approve of Catholic-bashing, but what those priests did was wrong, and the slap on the wrist the Vatican gave was wrong as well IMO.

by **codeblue1018** on Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:26 pm

wicked wrote:
Fruitcake wrote:Except if it is about Catholics, then it is fully allowed judging by your actions wicked

Like hell it is. You're confusing people discussing and shaming CHILD MOLESTERS who happen to be priests, with bashing Catholicism as a whole. There is a HUGE distinction, although unfortunately, the two are intertwined. I am Catholic myself and don't approve of Catholic-bashing, but what those priests did was wrong, and the slap on the wrist the Vatican gave was wrong as well IMO.

Same here ! Couldn't agree with you more. Well said!