Is Racism tolerated at CC?

[owenshooter]

Except if it is about Catholics, then it is fully allowed judging by your actions wicked

Like hell it is. You're confusing people discussing and shaming CHILD MOLESTERS who happen to be priests, with bashing Catholicism as a whole. There is a HUGE distinction, although unfortunately, the two are intertwined. I am Catholic myself and don't approve of Catholic-bashing, but what those priests did was wrong, and the slap on the wrist the Vatican gave was wrong as well IMO.

can we please stay on topic? maybe you two can resolve this in PM's or live chat. i am enjoying the intelligent discourse going on about this topic, and i do not appreciate your personal squabbles taking this thread off topic. in fact, it threatens to have this thread either locked down or moved. please keep your personal fights, exactly that, personal. now, let's continue to move this discussion forward without further interruption.-0

p.s.-you have been warned.

[GabonX]

The problem is that saying a name like Black-Pride is acceptable while saying that White-Pride isn't creates a double standard.

Black Power, Black Pride etc. are slogans used by people like and including Louis Farrakhan who is quoted as saying "White people are potential humans — they haven't evolved yet."

If one slogan is banned the other should be too.

[MikeFromLux]

The problem is that saying a name like Black-Pride is acceptable while saying that White-Pride isn't creates a double standard.

Who said this thing? No one has said 'black-pride' is acceptable. You are creating a double standard where one does not exist. Show me a user named 'black-pride' - then I will comment on the username as being offensive or not.

[wicked]

Exactly. That's like people who mistakenly use the term "reverse-racism." There is no such thing! Racism is racism, regardless of which race is being slighted.

[Pedronicus]

Can we insult short people still?

[detlef]

The problem is that saying a name like Black-Pride is acceptable while saying that White-Pride isn't creates a double standard.

Black Power, Black Pride etc. are slogans used by people like and including Louis Farrakhan who is quoted as saying "White people are potential humans — they haven't evolved yet."

If one slogan is banned the other should be too.

Are you referring to my comments?

Listen, I'm no fan of Farrakhan and I'm also not one of those "guilty whites" who feels he somehow needs to condone racism when practiced by non-whites to sleep better at night. I'm also, however, not so delusional as to think that growing up white, middle class, and male hasn't put me in the catbird seat.

Think of it like this. Let's say you're on a basketball team and all game long the refs have just been hooking you up crazy with the calls. You can see it with your own eyes. Now, it's one thing to simply keep your mouth shut and feel fortunate about the fact that you're getting hooked up. It's another entirely to kick and scream and bitch the first time a bad call goes the other way.

That's exactly the way I feel when people piss and moan about the fact that minorities and women can get away with having groups that promote their causes while white men have to simply be satisfied with having de-facto white male organizations like Congress or nearly every board room of every corporation.

So, if the minor luxury of being in the most privileged demographic out there comes at the expense of being the only group not allowed to put "power" after my group. I think I can deal with it.

[GabonX]

The problem is that saying a name like Black-Pride is acceptable while saying that White-Pride isn't creates a double standard.

Who said this thing? No one has said 'black-pride' is acceptable. You are creating a double standard where one does not exist. Show me a user named 'black-pride' - then I will comment on the username as being offensive or not.

You have been singing this tune for a while now and this is one of the root causes of this debate. If you would state that it would be equaly wrong for someone to have a similar name expressing pride in another race much of this debate would have been resolved by now but you refuse to do it.

While there isn't yet a Black-Pride on CC a number of similar names were in fact posted in the other topic which you posted in cheating and abuse reports. You failed to address any of these names.

It is irrelevant whether or not there is a player named black pride on CC as this is a discussion about principles. This topic is called "Is Racism tolerated at CC?" so asking whether Black Pride would be acceptable is totally relevant. Stating that you cannot have a stance about this name because it does not yet exist is like stating that you aren't sure that murdering someone with a water bottle is wrong because you haven't seen it happen.

[gdeangel]

So its clear, the guy used the name "White-Pride" just as his handle, not a clan name ... tournament name... or even a post topic. The distinction is critical because there is no way that an individual user name is vested with any, or even the appearance of any "official" sanction from the site that issued it.

On the other hand, a clan called White-Price would be a different story.

Back on user names... we have plenty of offensive/inappropriate ones: "omegajew", "Stoney Jew", "FiveJewBankers", "kike_m", "didosdildo", "whitetrash67", "MightyWhitey", "niggyhead", "smoke crack", "WeedSmokin24_7", "retared", "ernies gay", "itsagayhole", and my personal favorite, "trapyoung"!

There is even a map under development... I won't say which one... where the Black Guerrilla Family are a bonus. In case you don't know, that would be the prison gang for African Americans and only espouses the overthow of the U.S. government! ( ).

Let it alone man. If your offended, go back to the sandbox. The guy wants to call himself White-Pride... you and I can both figure out pretty quick whether or not they want to be associated with him without putting the screws to him.

[MikeFromLux]

It is irrelevant whether or not there is a player named black pride on CC as this is a discussion about principles. This topic is called "Is Racism tolerated at CC?" so asking whether Black Pride would be acceptable is totally relevant. Stating that you cannot have a stance about this name because it does not yet exist is like stating that you aren't sure that murdering someone with a water bottle is wrong because you haven't seen it happen.

My opinion about Black-Pride will not affect the results of the collective opinion that 'white-pride' is racist. It has nothing to do with the words or the colors - it has to do with the fact that 'white-pride' is part of a flag and is used as a slogan for the white supremacy movement. If you knew my opinion regarding the term 'black-pride' - it would have no bearing whatsoever on the racist nature of anything else - so therefore it is irrelevant. It becomes relevant when a user adopts the name 'black-pride'.

[MikeFromLux]

Let it alone man. If your offended, go back to the sandbox. The guy wants to call himself White-Pride... you and I can both figure out pretty quick whether or not they want to be associated with him without putting the screws to him.

My sensibilities about racisim would appear to be irrelevant - as the guy formerly known as 'white-pride' is also known as other names - he is a proven Multi, and has now been banned.

[gdeangel]

By the way detlef, you're making a big assumption. Not many people got hooked up with "crazy calls" as you put it. In fact, most - all colors and creeds - were run out of town for being immigrants and stoned or worse.

Go read "Angela's Ashes". Go watch "Tree of the Wooden Clogs". Then tell me how easy everybody else had it. If we get one good thing out of O'Bama if he's elected, this at least is one thing he seems to understand.

[GabonX]

So your stance is that if one detestable group uses a term that no other person should ever be allowed to use that same term.

The player who was banned has nothing to do with this conversation. You keep bringing it up but that is not the issue and your attempts to dodge what other members here are saying shows that your argument is indeed inconsistent.

[MikeFromLux]

..... your argument is indeed inconsistent.

speaking of inconsitencies - I am limited to one arguement per thread. Pick a thread - and we can continue to discuss it as long as you want.

Regarding your question - I never said anything as general as 'group names being allowed' - i said that 'white-power' offends me - that was it. You have been trying to put words in my mouth about other groups etc. I think 'white-power' is offensive - because it is commonly used as a slogan, it is a tome of the white supremacy movement - it is the biggest thing (in the form of a flag) on the stormfront website - therfore it offends me. I am not a Mod - so I don't get to pick the rules or make decisions about other groups names etc...... however I have indulged your questions about 'xxxx-pride' in the other thread - so go read that. (it was posted before you posted the one referenced above)

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48099&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=30

[detlef]

By the way detlef, you're making a big assumption. Not many people got hooked up with "crazy calls" as you put it. In fact, most - all colors and creeds - were run out of town for being immigrants and stoned or worse.

Go read "Angela's Ashes". Go watch "Tree of the Wooden Clogs". Then tell me how easy everybody else had it. If we get one good thing out of O'Bama if he's elected, this at least is one thing he seems to understand.

The "assumption", I'm making is that, at least in most of the world, it doesn't suck to be white. Please tell me you are not suggesting otherwise.

That we have white men like Rush Limbaugh, etc. complaining about "double standards" is nothing short of pathetic.

[gdeangel]

Historically and today that is bull$hit. It sucks to be poor. It sucks to be a foreigner. It sucks to be a certain gender in a society where your options are limited by law based on your genitalia. All those things suck whether your skin is white, red, yellow or brown. So yes, I am suggesting otherwise.

Rush Limbaugh is a big fat piece of over-the-counter drug addicted yack turd. However that doesn't mean we should accept double standards as fair when the guy its punishing never had a break in his life or his father's life, or his father's father's life. It never works out - it only destabilized. Once the black shirts show up its too late and your going to have people f^cking dying all over the place. You don't want to go there. I don't want to go there... Even if I might end up being the guy covering your sorry a$$.

Let the fire of idiotic bigorty die out on its own, don't stoke the flames, and don't stand in the smoke complaining that its smokey.

[Twill]

Mike, posting a thread in another forum simply to get attention to another thread is just bad form.

There is no reason to spread what was obviously an attempt by several people to troll you into exactly this debate.

Keep threads to their original thread.

Have a good one
Twill

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