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The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby sideoutshu on Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:38 am

I just like to share some of the more ridiculous things I see from Feedback Moderation. I left a neg for this guy kaiser0427 because at the end of the game, I said "good game" and he replied "f*ck you". In addition, he has the nerve to leave ME a negative stating that he suspected a "secret alliance" between me and another player THAT I KILLED OFF BEFORE HIM.

I left him feedback saying he was a poor sport and it gets removed as "retaliatory" because I left it after his???????? WTF??????

take a gander over the game chat and see what you think:

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=2251614

It's so freakin lame that these babies can complain and get anything removed.
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Re: The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby tiberiusaquila on Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:02 am

I had a game where the sport told me to "f*ck off" immediately after I wished him good luck at the start.

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Re: The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby firth4eva on Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:12 am

I think kaiser must have paid the mods or something because they also removed mine that I left for him for it being retaliatory even though I left mine before him.
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Re: The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby owenshooter on Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:15 am

firth4eva wrote:I think kaiser must have paid the mods or something because they also removed mine that I left for him for it being retaliatory even though I left mine before him.

stuff like this just kills me! ha!!-0

p.s.-i don't leave negs and i don't get negs. the system is too funky.
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Re: The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby Larry Mal on Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:40 am

I'll only leave a negative if someone never shows up to play at all, and that's only to let potential players see a trend with a person if there is one, and to let the newer among us know that it is taken a little seriously.

Whatever someone does in the game is only at the moment... I'm just not getting involved. I'm not big into negative feedback, but I'm sure I'll get some at some point. Someone already left me a neutral because he didn't care for my style of play. I mean, I didn't especially want him to like it- I wanted him to hate and fear it, if I could have done so.

I've got better things to do than to take part in this whole negative feedback system, of either giving it or even worse trying to get it taken away... I mean I just must have better things to do than that.
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Re: The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby sideoutshu on Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:05 pm

firth4eva wrote:I think kaiser must have paid the mods or something because they also removed mine that I left for him for it being retaliatory even though I left mine before him.

He must do something. Cause what kind of logical person could look at him saying "f*ck you" and then look at my neg saying 'horrible sport" and delete it as retaliatory?
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Re: The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby oVo on Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:46 pm

So kicking this poor loser's butt wasn't enough and
you felt a strong urge to neg him on?
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Postby Kemmler on Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:13 pm

I've had two feedbacks removed now, one of them was ture as well.... :roll:
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Re: The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby cleveridea on Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:44 pm

sideoutshu wrote:...I left a neg for this guy kaiser0427 because at the end of the game, I said "good game" and he replied "f*ck you".


F*ck your feedback.
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Re: The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby sideoutshu on Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:16 am

oVo wrote:So kicking this poor loser's butt wasn't enough and
you felt a strong urge to neg him on?

What is feedback for if not for this circumstance?
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Re: The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby owenshooter on Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:23 am

sideoutshu wrote:What is feedback for if not for this circumstance?

you are a classic example of someone that abuses the feedback system... out of 73 left, 34 are negative!!!
34 negative feedbacks?!! and when you go through them, most of them could be removed if the person cared enough to fill out an e-ticket... wow... you should read the guidelines.-0
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Re: The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby sideoutshu on Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:52 am

owenshooter wrote:
sideoutshu wrote:What is feedback for if not for this circumstance?

you are a classic example of someone that abuses the feedback system... out of 73 left, 34 are negative!!!
34 negative feedbacks?!! and when you go through them, most of them could be removed if the person cared enough to fill out an e-ticket... wow... you should read the guidelines.-0

You are pretty ignorant man. the fact that I USE the feedback system for more then exchanging postives with people to make ourselves feel better means i "abuse" it? lolol I leave people negs when they do things that I believe would affect someone else's desire to play with them. THAT IS WHAT FEEDBACK IS FOR!

Nearly every negative I have left is for one of the following reasons:

1. Deadbeating;
2. Using foul language;
3. Revealing information in a fog game;
4. Partners that don't show up or miss turns in a doubles game;
5. GROSSLY bad strategy (but I usually won't even leave one for this unless they say something in the chat indicating that they are either throwing the game or suiciding).

Which of those are "abusing" the system?
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Re: The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby owenshooter on Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:13 pm

sideoutshu wrote:Which of those are "abusing" the system?

man, go read the feedbacks you have left, and i invite anyone in this thread to do the same. you are pretty much the problem with the feedback system. you leave negative feedback if you don't like a players strategy!! you leave neg feedbacks if a player doesn't take a turn the way you think it should have been taken!! that is ridiculous... oh, and it isn't against the rules to reveal in fog games, by the way... that is something that is hotly debated and a reason i don't play fog. too many people give up info. did i leave all of them negs? you really need to re-evaluate how you view the feedback system. 34 negs out of 73 left (or whatever it is), is pretty ridiculous. people are not going to play how you think they should play... get over it. here is just a peppering from your first page of left feedback that are laughable:

Negative Pretty horrible strategy in a feudal game. Breaks into another player's base and literally says "oooops, I'll go the other way". As if the other player isn't going to run right through him when he does. He went the other way, suiciding on me in the process, and the other player ran through him like clockwork.

Negative helped eliminate someone elses target in an assassin game.

Negative Despite the fact taht he will tell you how "smart" he is til he is blue in the face, he has horrible strategy and no understanding of what is going on around him. Playing in a no fog game, and we are the two weakest players with one very strong player. The strong player has two bonuses, yet for some reason he suicides across 6 teritories to break my two armie bonus on Oceania. The Strongest player obviously eliminated him immediately and the game was over.

Negative Poor strategy. In a 3 player game and he cashed a mixed set. Uses his armies to attack the weaker player rather then break the bonus of the player who was much stronger.

Negative Poor strategy. Could have broke another player's bonus on Asia with a 13 to 1 battle. Ended his turn instead. It happened twice.

Negative Got eliminated and decided to reveal info in a fog game, just like the other feedback.

Negative Very poor strategy. Played the game like he was in a glass bubble and didn't understand what was happening around him. There was a player with 3 countries of one army a piece. He killed off one of the countries even though he had no chance of getting to the other two all the way across the board. This allowed the player who won to pick up the 4 cards from the weakened player and gave the game away.

Negative Very poor strategy. One player held about 2/3 of the map, and kept breaking the bonuses of the weaker players, rather then addressing the main threat. Resulted in the stongest player walking all over everyone.
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Re: The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby Fruitcake on Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:34 pm

sideoutshu wrote:I just like to share some of the more ridiculous things I see from Feedback Moderation. I left a neg for this guy kaiser0427 because at the end of the game, I said "good game" and he replied "f*ck you". In addition, he has the nerve to leave ME a negative stating that he suspected a "secret alliance" between me and another player THAT I KILLED OFF BEFORE HIM.

I left him feedback saying he was a poor sport and it gets removed as "retaliatory" because I left it after his???????? WTF??????

take a gander over the game chat and see what you think:

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=2251614

It's so freakin lame that these babies can complain and get anything removed.


Thanks for making my evening. I have laughed until the tears ran down my face.

Have you counted all the different things your oppos have called you by any chance...here is a sample.

bad player, wanker, jerk, idiot, Poor loser, this guy just whines, What a cock, bad loser, player with 20% negs, very unpleasant, blames losing on others, piece of garbage, acne clad flamer.

Lovely, great stuff, thanks again for making my reading this evening so very enjoyable.
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Re: The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby sideoutshu on Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:07 pm

owenshooter wrote:
sideoutshu wrote:Which of those are "abusing" the system?

man, go read the feedbacks you have left, and i invite anyone in this thread to do the same. you are pretty much the problem with the feedback system. you leave negative feedback if you don't like a players strategy!! you leave neg feedbacks if a player doesn't take a turn the way you think it should have been taken!! that is ridiculous... oh, and it isn't against the rules to reveal in fog games, by the way... that is something that is hotly debated and a reason i don't play fog. too many people give up info. did i leave all of them negs? you really need to re-evaluate how you view the feedback system. 34 negs out of 73 left (or whatever it is), is pretty ridiculous. people are not going to play how you think they should play... get over it. here is just a peppering from your first page of left feedback that are laughable:

Negative Pretty horrible strategy in a feudal game. Breaks into another player's base and literally says "oooops, I'll go the other way". As if the other player isn't going to run right through him when he does. He went the other way, suiciding on me in the process, and the other player ran through him like clockwork.

Negative helped eliminate someone elses target in an assassin game.

Negative Despite the fact taht he will tell you how "smart" he is til he is blue in the face, he has horrible strategy and no understanding of what is going on around him. Playing in a no fog game, and we are the two weakest players with one very strong player. The strong player has two bonuses, yet for some reason he suicides across 6 teritories to break my two armie bonus on Oceania. The Strongest player obviously eliminated him immediately and the game was over.

Negative Poor strategy. In a 3 player game and he cashed a mixed set. Uses his armies to attack the weaker player rather then break the bonus of the player who was much stronger.

Negative Poor strategy. Could have broke another player's bonus on Asia with a 13 to 1 battle. Ended his turn instead. It happened twice.

Negative Got eliminated and decided to reveal info in a fog game, just like the other feedback.

Negative Very poor strategy. Played the game like he was in a glass bubble and didn't understand what was happening around him. There was a player with 3 countries of one army a piece. He killed off one of the countries even though he had no chance of getting to the other two all the way across the board. This allowed the player who won to pick up the 4 cards from the weakened player and gave the game away.

Negative Very poor strategy. One player held about 2/3 of the map, and kept breaking the bonuses of the weaker players, rather then addressing the main threat. Resulted in the stongest player walking all over everyone.

Why wouldn't you leave negative feedback when someone plays the game with poor strategy? I'm not one of these nut fluffers that just leaves a positive for every person I play in hopes taht they will do the same for me, sorry guy.

Feedback Guidelines

Leave only fair and factual comments that relate to a specific game.
Do not leave feedback for trivial things like missing an occasional turn.
Do not use foul language.
Do not fish for feedback (i.e. leave positive feedback to get positive feedback in return).
Do not leave retaliatory feedback (i.e. leave negative feedback in revenge of negative feedback).


Where does it say you can't leave feedback for bad strategy? Maybe it is YOU that needs to review the guidelines. :roll:
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Re: The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby sideoutshu on Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:11 pm

Fruitcake wrote:
sideoutshu wrote:I just like to share some of the more ridiculous things I see from Feedback Moderation. I left a neg for this guy kaiser0427 because at the end of the game, I said "good game" and he replied "f*ck you". In addition, he has the nerve to leave ME a negative stating that he suspected a "secret alliance" between me and another player THAT I KILLED OFF BEFORE HIM.

I left him feedback saying he was a poor sport and it gets removed as "retaliatory" because I left it after his???????? WTF??????

take a gander over the game chat and see what you think:

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=2251614

It's so freakin lame that these babies can complain and get anything removed.


Thanks for making my evening. I have laughed until the tears ran down my face.

Have you counted all the different things your oppos have called you by any chance...here is a sample.

bad player, wanker, jerk, idiot, Poor loser, this guy just whines, What a cock, bad loser, player with 20% negs, very unpleasant, blames losing on others, piece of garbage, acne clad flamer.

Lovely, great stuff, thanks again for making my reading this evening so very enjoyable.

Well fruitcake, if you are too stupid to realize that when you leave someone negative feedback, they will inevitably leave it for you also, then there isn't much I can do for you. You will notice that nearly every single negative I got resulted from a negative that I left for someone else, which they carefully worded to make it seem like it wasn't retaliatory.

But I'm not sure how or why you are able to draw any type of conclusion from the fact that people curse at me in the feedback, when the very reason I left them a negative was often the fact that they were cursing in the game chat. Perhaps you should think before writing.
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Re: The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby Fruitcake on Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:39 pm

Well fruitcake, if you are too stupid to realize that when you leave someone negative feedback, they will inevitably leave it for you also, then there isn't much I can do for you.


I will try to live with that.

But I'm not sure how or why you are able to draw any type of conclusion from the fact that people curse at me in the feedback, when the very reason I left them a negative was often the fact that they were cursing in the game chat.


Conclusion???...goodness, I am far to obtuse and dim witted to draw a conclusion of any type....now if you had said....'But I'm not sure how or why you are able to comment on the fact that people curse at me in the feedback'....

Perhaps you should think before writing.


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Re: The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby cleveridea on Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:48 pm

sideoutshu wrote:3. Revealing information in a fog game;


As long as it's not via PM's why is this worthy of negative feedback? You're a nitpicky SOB.
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Postby Crystallina on Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:53 pm

Negative feedback for poor strategy scares the crap out of me. I'm not all that good of a player, and I know that. I make mistakes. So whenever I join a game I'm terrified that one of my opponents is going to be the one who does it.

Once I forgot to deploy onto Indonesia, in a moment of stupidity and got a negative (since removed) for "prolonging the game an extra round when I could have ended it."
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Re: The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby Fruitcake on Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:03 pm

Crystallina wrote:Negative feedback for poor strategy scares the crap out of me. I'm not all that good of a player, and I know that. I make mistakes. So whenever I join a game I'm terrified that one of my opponents is going to be the one who does it.


I cannot believe that for one moment, judging by your present standard of feedback, it looks like you are not too shabby a player at all.
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Re: The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby owenshooter on Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:59 pm

sideoutshu wrote:if you are too stupid to realize that when you leave someone negative feedback, they will inevitably leave it for you also, then there isn't much I can do for you. You will notice that nearly every single negative I got resulted from a negative that I left for someone else, which they carefully worded to make it seem like it wasn't retaliatory.

you are leaving negative feedback for people not taking THEIR TURN how you think they should have taken it!! that is absolutely ridiculous. who are you to decide what is poor strategy? maybe they have other goals than you think they do. you sound like an absolute horrible person to play a game with. read your negatives. sure, SOME of them are retaliatory, but a lot of them are about what a poor sport you are!!
sideoutshu wrote:Where does it say you can't leave feedback for bad strategy? Maybe it is YOU that needs to review the guidelines. :roll:

this right here just shows how foggy you are on the whole thing. you are exactly what is wrong with the current system. people abusing the system that somehow justify it due to the guidelines not being stringent... you really should go read your feedbacks left and received and see if you can perhaps, this time, see the error of your ways.-0

p.s.-from your feedback received, you aren't as perfect as you claim to be:
Negative yes, you had the game in your pocket and maybe you had a server problem. This happens to many in CC. But you are the first one who expects from me to stop playing because of this instead of accepting that I used the chance. From that point you where constantly complaining, telling me something about dignity, sportmanship and gentleman behaviour. But that I got a chance wasn't the result of the server problem but the result of a more than stupid beginner's mistake. If you would just have missed that 1 turn, I would have had 30 armies to deploy (I owned 6 countries at that time, you had 45)How far do you think I would have come with that? You could have comfortly winning the game 1 or 2 turns later. But you where in panic and tried to do your turn in 15 seconds so you lost 40 armies to deploy (not 52 like you said). This was the reason why I came back into the game and this is the reason why you didn't deserve to win. But you annoyed me so mutch that I left the game
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Re: The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby sideoutshu on Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:55 am

owenshooter wrote:
sideoutshu wrote:if you are too stupid to realize that when you leave someone negative feedback, they will inevitably leave it for you also, then there isn't much I can do for you. You will notice that nearly every single negative I got resulted from a negative that I left for someone else, which they carefully worded to make it seem like it wasn't retaliatory.

you are leaving negative feedback for people not taking THEIR TURN how you think they should have taken it!! that is absolutely ridiculous. who are you to decide what is poor strategy? maybe they have other goals than you think they do. you sound like an absolute horrible person to play a game with. read your negatives. sure, SOME of them are retaliatory, but a lot of them are about what a poor sport you are!!
sideoutshu wrote:Where does it say you can't leave feedback for bad strategy? Maybe it is YOU that needs to review the guidelines. :roll:

this right here just shows how foggy you are on the whole thing. you are exactly what is wrong with the current system. people abusing the system that somehow justify it due to the guidelines not being stringent... you really should go read your feedbacks left and received and see if you can perhaps, this time, see the error of your ways.-0

p.s.-from your feedback received, you aren't as perfect as you claim to be:
Negative yes, you had the game in your pocket and maybe you had a server problem. This happens to many in CC. But you are the first one who expects from me to stop playing because of this instead of accepting that I used the chance. From that point you where constantly complaining, telling me something about dignity, sportmanship and gentleman behaviour. But that I got a chance wasn't the result of the server problem but the result of a more than stupid beginner's mistake. If you would just have missed that 1 turn, I would have had 30 armies to deploy (I owned 6 countries at that time, you had 45)How far do you think I would have come with that? You could have comfortly winning the game 1 or 2 turns later. But you where in panic and tried to do your turn in 15 seconds so you lost 40 armies to deploy (not 52 like you said). This was the reason why I came back into the game and this is the reason why you didn't deserve to win. But you annoyed me so mutch that I left the game

Pretty hilarious that YOU instruct me to review the guidelines, and then once I cite them (and they support me) you criticize me because the guidlines aren't "stringent" enough? Kind of hypocritical don't you think. Either have your cake, or eat it guy....not both.

I am absoultely NOT leaving feedback for people not playing the way I want. I am leaving feedback for people doing things that are beyond the pale of anything that can be considered good strategy and things that leave them with no chance to win. For example, I played someone who told me in the game chat that if I broke his bonus, he would suicide through me and give the game to the other player. I did, and he was true to his word. You are telling me that isn't bad strategy?

I love that you keep quoting my feedbacks out of context. You speak of "all my negs" as if there are 100 of them. There are EIGHT. The particular one you cited does nothing for your argument at all, so I have no idea why you left it. It was just another retaliatory feedback. But you would know that if you actually read the game chat instead of just playing "gotcha" like you are Sherlock Holmes or something. :roll:

People like you are actually the problem with the feedback system. People who will never leave a neg no matter what because they are paralyzed by the fear of getting a neg in return and ruining their precious perfect feedback. Well my life doesn't revolve around CC, so I can live with a few negs.
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Re: The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby hairingtons on Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:40 am

i wouldnt bother replying to these two dicks, they're the forum watchdogs and if you post anything about feedback being stupid, they'll find it the funniest thing that's happened to them all day, and post lots of stupid internet abbreviations as if they've just creamed in their pants.

many people know the feedback system is terribly flawed. hopefully it'll get changed or removed very soon.
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Re: The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby oVo on Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:55 am

Think before leaving negative feedback is even better advice. This is a game, so play it. There are two other options with feedback after a game; (1) Is a neutral and (2) is not leaving any feedback at all. When you neg someone for bad strategy all you are saying is "I don't like the way you play" which is almost as absurd as a neg for a missed turn.

Foul language bugs you? Add them to your foe/ignore list during the game and you don't see their chat during the game. Don't like how somebody plays? Add them to your foe/ignore list and you won't have to deal with that anymore either. Leave stupid feedback for a petty reasons and get negged in return? Priceless. Live with it and wear it well, because you deserve it.
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Re: The Genius of feedback moderation...sigh

Postby Sir. Ricco on Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:10 am

I quit leaving feedback when I learned...it doesn't do anything. :roll:
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