Sack the feedback moderators

[kletka]

I am so fed up with this bunch (feedback moderators)

I am often leaving negative for one of two things: making stupid moves that hand a game over to another player, being nuisance in chat. Often people ask feedback moderators to remove it or leave retaliatory negative. I am very unhappy with what happens in the former case.

Usually, the feedback is immediately removed without looking and you get a notice that it removed for being not factual or something else which has nothing to do with the feedback. Then you have to write back explaining for the ****** moder to come up with ******* Solomon decisions. The decisions that I saw include:

- Removing both feedbacks;
- leaving my feedback but changing it to neutral...

Essentially, this is completely ridiculous and needs some change starting from sacking feedback moderators We ar no ebay here and having some negative comments and controversy make it a good laugh. I have some ideas how to change the system but before starting a new suggestions thread I would like to invite other people to comment what their thoughts and experiences are.

[realmss]

They handled my first feedback problem extremely welll. My second/current one is taking a bit longer. Don't think I will be leaving another negative feedback again though.

[clapper011]

the feedback mods are very busy these days. Give them time to do their work.

[Bruceswar]

I have to agree with the OP. This is out of hand. I left a neg day before yesterday, and a very well deserving one. It was deemed not factual, which is total BS. Anybody in the game will agree with me. There were 6 other players who were all amazed by this move. AKA Suicide move. And I am not talking about players who may not know what is going on. I am talking about some of the games best. Makes me totally sick!

"I have played a few times with him and this time he blows it big time. He chased after 5 cards in a speed game. We both cashed about the same time yet he continues to suicide me after I cashed. TOTAL IDIOT! Never again! Welcome to my ignore list. Do not ask to come off ever!"

Tell me how that is not factual?

[tzor]

I am so fed up with this bunch (feedback moderators)

Somehow I have the feeling they are fed up with you as well.

But let's look at the video tape, here are the comments not deleted, I'd hate to see the ones that were ...

• Suicide fairy. ...
• Be careful as he doesn't play to win but to retaliate independently of what happens elsewhere. ...
• Double's partner from hell. ...
• He committed suicide: ....
• Rude and bad tempered player, a bad loser. Avoid like plague if you want a pleasant experience. I came into his castles twice in a fog AOR game. I did my best attacking him but lost. He became extremely rude and called me names.
• Clueless. He tried to take me out with 40 armies against my 50 and other player's defence of 10.
• The worst double's partner ever! He missed 5 turns, when not missing he never listened and did absolutely ridiculous things. However, he is polite in chat, just play against him for easy points. LATER EDIT: Hey, I just noticed that he is the number 2 player from the bottom. What an achievement!!
• Nothing personal, moves are timely, chat polite but the guy should improve. He(she) managed to snatch a defeat from the jaws of victory twice!!
• His tactics are excellent but he is starting my ignore list. If you want a quiet game, I suggest you do the same. The amount of negotiation produced by this player was so incredible that I could not keep up. At the end he convinced two of the players to suicide on me and this weakened my position irreversibly.
• The fellow missed the most crucial turn which costed me and him the game.

Now let's see how this interface works. Assuming that the universe is consistant (and I think it is but you can never be sure) then going to the user, selecting feedback and then feedback left by shows not only the neutral but the ones deleted by the mods. You have 2 neutral and one "deleted by the mods."

I never understood why this player played this game. He never tried to develop, got a few armies and suicided on me.
devilsnyankees's response: you are stupid. i didnt even attack you the entire game(look at the game log for my attacks). you were so worried about losing this game that you tried to call a truce with everyone. and i didnt want a truce with you. waaaaa. did you make a mess in your diaper. 75-0 for a reason because i play a good game. dumbass
Deleted by moderator for this reason: Not game related

[owenshooter]

I am so fed up with this bunch (feedback moderators)

Somehow I have the feeling they are fed up with you as well.

yeah, i read through all his feedbacks, also. isn't it funny how people are unable to realize that they are
a part of the problem that they are trying to resolve? it is always the abusers of the system that
complain about the system!!!-0

[Bruceswar]

I am so fed up with this bunch (feedback moderators)

Somehow I have the feeling they are fed up with you as well.

yeah, i read through all his feedbacks, also. isn't it funny how people are unable to realize that they are
a part of the problem that they are trying to resolve? it is always the abusers of the system that
complain about the system!!!-0

I am not an abuser... yet I still do not like how they have removed certain feedbacks.

[owenshooter]

I am not an abuser... yet I still do not like how they have removed certain feedbacks.

i'd call this bit of feedback you left that was removed, abusive:

Deleted I have played a few times with him and this time he blows it big time. He chased after 5 cards in a speed game. We both cashed about the same time yet he continues to suicide me after I cashed. TOTAL IDIOT! Never again! Welcome to my ignore list. Do not ask to come off ever! To respond to him. He got a gift win and everybody else in this game agrees with me it was a terrible move. This is game factual and shall remain.

Riskmaster101's response: Lolz it worked! I won the game! This will be erased soon by the mods loser!

Deleted by moderator for this reason: Not factual

you know... when you start leaving feedback because of a move a player made or because you don't like how someone plays, it starts to get ridiculous... especially in 8 player freestyle point grabs...-0

[Bruceswar]

I am not an abuser... yet I still do not like how they have removed certain feedbacks.

i'd call this bit of feedback you left that was removed, abusive:

Deleted I have played a few times with him and this time he blows it big time. He chased after 5 cards in a speed game. We both cashed about the same time yet he continues to suicide me after I cashed. TOTAL IDIOT! Never again! Welcome to my ignore list. Do not ask to come off ever! To respond to him. He got a gift win and everybody else in this game agrees with me it was a terrible move. This is game factual and shall remain.

Riskmaster101's response: Lolz it worked! I won the game! This will be erased soon by the mods loser!

Deleted by moderator for this reason: Not factual

you know... when you start leaving feedback because of a move a player made or because you don't like how someone plays, it starts to get ridiculous... especially in 8 player freestyle point grabs...-0

So are me and the other 6 players players all insane because we all thought the same way? Mind you poo-maker, scott-land, rashidjelzin, etc were in this game or watching. He was gifted the game. Every last one of them said his move was one of the dumbest moves ever made. We must all be losing it?

[wacicha]

You do not use a sledge hammer to put a nail in the wall to hang a picture. The Feedback system like the ignore list is a tool. 2 separate tools. Every tool has it's usage so you need to find the tool that best suits the situation. all players play different. If you do not like a way a player plays then put him on ignore. If he did something like cheating or silent alliances then give negative feedback. I have found that I have not had the need for either tool yet. in over 4600 games I have never given a negative feedback. I almost put Dugcarr on my ignore list but decided against it so I have also put no one on ignore. So far those are tools I have not had to use.

[wicked]

I am guessing that the mod who looked at it deleted it because of the part where you said he suicided, as players who suicide don't often win games. The issue is with using the word suicide. I'm sure if you edit that part out, it'll be reinstated.

[owenshooter]

So are me and the other 6 players players all insane because we all thought the same way? Mind you poo-maker, scott-land, rashidjelzin, etc were in this game or watching. He was gifted the game. Every last one of them said his move was one of the dumbest moves ever made. We must all be losing it?

yes, all of you are insane. you said it, not me!! i think the feedback moderators do the best they can, but the system is flawed... i've had great success with the feedback system and the moderators, because i've never had to use them!! all my issues have been resolved by PM's or simply choosing to no longer play with certain players, to a degree (nobody is on my ignore list)...
anyway, i think the feedback mods do the best they can... i can think of other moderators that could be removed to make CC a better and more fair place, but that is another topic.-0

[Bruceswar]

I am guessing that the mod who looked at it deleted it because of the part where you said he suicided. Why don't you just edit it and ask to have to reinstated?

How would you like me to edit it? Ask anybody else in this game....

2008-05-10 23:14:43 - RashidJelzin: cant believe he pulled that move on bruce and still wins

2008-05-10 23:12:42 - poo-maker: fucking ridiculous that green wins

2008-05-10 23:09:19 - RashidJelzin: lmao
2008-05-10 23:09:26 - RashidJelzin: insane


2008-05-10 23:08:42 - poo-maker: lmao
2008-05-10 23:08:43 - poo-maker: dumbass
2008-05-10 23:08:58 - poo-maker: hahaha
2008-05-10 23:08:59 - poo-maker: so stupid

The simple fact is he suicided on me. There is noway around it. We both had 5 cards in a speed game and cashes were at 70 or so. There was no way he could kill me. You can review the game chat. Either the rest of us are all insane or riskmaster101 is correct. Oh I am sure me, Poo-Maker, Scott-Land, KingOfGods, RashidJelzin, and others have all lost our minds. He suicided into me nothing more to say to that.


Edited to add all of the above comments are referring to green. aka Riskmaster101

[owenshooter]

I am guessing that the mod who looked at it deleted it because of the part where you said he suicided. Why don't you just edit it and ask to have to reinstated?

How would you like me to edit it? Ask anybody else in this game....

she suggested you edit out the portion about suiciding... that pretty much sums it up... and it doesn't matter if the other people agree with you that he made a crappy move, how many of them left him negatives?-0

[Bruceswar]

I am guessing that the mod who looked at it deleted it because of the part where you said he suicided. Why don't you just edit it and ask to have to reinstated?

How would you like me to edit it? Ask anybody else in this game....

she suggested you edit out the portion about suiciding... that pretty much sums it up... and it doesn't matter if the other people agree with you that he made a crappy move, how many of them left him negatives?-0

How many of them put him on ignore is a better question? I know of at least 6 that were either watching or playing in that game that did so.

[Bruceswar]

I am guessing that the mod who looked at it deleted it because of the part where you said he suicided, as players who suicide don't often win games. The issue is with using the word suicide. I'm sure if you edit that part out, it'll be reinstated.

If your quote you say do not often win a game. This is 100% but it does happen sometimes. This is one of those cases.

[owenshooter]

How many of them put him on ignore is a better question? I know of at least 6 that were either watching or playing in that game that did so.

exactly. i think giving someone a neg for making a move in a game that you do not like, is just abuse of the system. put him on ignore and move on or do as wicked suggested.-0

[Bruceswar]

How many of them put him on ignore is a better question? I know of at least 6 that were either watching or playing in that game that did so.

exactly. i think giving someone a neg for making a move in a game that you do not like, is just abuse of the system. put him on ignore and move on or do as wicked suggested.-0

Is that not what the feedback system is for? Letting someone know how "your" game went with this person? Surely your game can be tossed by another person's bad move and thus other's need to know.

[Dancing Mustard]

the feedback mods are very busy these days. Give them time to do their work.

Well then if there are insufficient staff to meet the demand; then let's get some more staff to do the job. We're paying consumers who deserve a decent service, and multi-hunters don't even cost any money to appoint and retain.
"Oh they are very busy" just isn't an excuse. If the system is too small to cope with the traffic, then make the system bigger. I'm sure our current hunters are great guys and all, but it sure looks like they could do with some more company.

If they're looking overworked, find more workers. I'm sure you'd be literally flooded by high-quality applicants if you cared to ask for willing volunteers.

[AndyDufresne]

We've got something else instore, DM. Hopefully soon too.


--Andy

[Dancing Mustard]

Why don't you just put that in your sig?

[Timminz]

"I have played a few times with him and this time he blows it big time. He chased after 5 cards in a speed game. We both cashed about the same time yet he continues to suicide me after I cashed. TOTAL IDIOT! Never again! Welcome to my ignore list. Do not ask to come off ever!"

Tell me how that is not factual?

The word "suicide" would mean that the player in question died, but you have said that he went on to win the game (hence "not factual"). If someone wins the game, their strategy was fine (for that game). Sure, that "strategy" won't work often (or ever again, even), but if they won the game, IT WORKED. A good strategy is one that wins the game. If that particular strategy will win consistently, even better. If you want to put down someone's strategies, do it in a game they don't win. Like wacicha said, the feedback and ignore are 2 separate tools. This case seems like one for the latter. Leaving the winner of a game a neg based entirely on their play just comes across as sour grapes.

[Bruceswar]

"I have played a few times with him and this time he blows it big time. He chased after 5 cards in a speed game. We both cashed about the same time yet he continues to suicide me after I cashed. TOTAL IDIOT! Never again! Welcome to my ignore list. Do not ask to come off ever!"

Tell me how that is not factual?

The word "suicide" would mean that the player in question died, but you have said that he went on to win the game (hence "not factual"). If someone wins the game, their strategy was fine (for that game). Sure, that "strategy" won't work often (or ever again, even), but if they won the game, IT WORKED. A good strategy is one that wins the game. If that particular strategy will win consistently, even better. If you want to put down someone's strategies, do it in a game they don't win. Like wacicha said, the feedback and ignore are 2 separate tools. This case seems like one for the latter. Leaving the winner of a game a neg based entirely on their play just comes across as sour grapes.

Totally not sour grapes. He made a terrible move and was lucky to survive it and win it. In speed freestyle it is the ultimate rule not to chase after 5 LIVE cards. Especially over 6 territories. I guess me and the other 5 players that put him on ignore are all wacked? What do I know..

[kletka]

If you do not like a way a player plays then put him on ignore. If he did something like cheating or silent alliances then give negative feedback.

This is something new. If this is a rule then add into instructions section

Otherwise, I am giving negative when there is a reason to do it and I feel other players will benefit from this knowledge. When I join a team in a team game, I always check feedbacks of the players. And dont worry about my foe list (it has a plenty of people as well and I have no clue what they are doing there - I mean old ignore had a room for a comment which was helpful for cleaning the list up)

[Timminz]

The word "suicide" would mean that the player in question died, but you have said that he went on to win the game (hence "not factual"). If someone wins the game, their strategy was fine (for that game). Sure, that "strategy" won't work often (or ever again, even), but if they won the game, IT WORKED. A good strategy is one that wins the game. If that particular strategy will win consistently, even better. If you want to put down someone's strategies, do it in a game they don't win. Like wacicha said, the feedback and ignore are 2 separate tools. This case seems like one for the latter. Leaving the winner of a game a neg based entirely on their play just comes across as sour grapes.

Totally not sour grapes. He made a terrible move and was lucky to survive it and win it. In speed freestyle it is the ultimate rule not to chase after 5 LIVE cards. Especially over 6 territories. I guess me and the other 5 players that put him on ignore are all wacked? What do I know..

I said that it "comes across as sour grapes". More often than not, what people perceive is much more important than what was actually intended. And, nowhere did I say that putting him on ignore was "wacked". I would have done it too. No one likes players "ruining" their games. I'm just trying to help you understand why the feedback would be deleted.

Actually, this little conversation reminds me of the situation of someone making a stupid move in a game. I think you'd do better to be the guy that says, "What did I do wrong? I'll make sure I don't do it again.", rather than the one who says, "You play your game, I'll play mine." See what I mean?