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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby Thezzaruz on Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:39 am

hulmey wrote:its just bullshit....what does feedback mean? thats what i was doing! the repoert from the mods said it wasnt factual. f*ck thAT, after knocking me out, the other player won in 2 turns!!!!


BS or not it is quite clear that the meaning of feedback ON THIS SITE is about telling other how a person behaves and NOT about his skills in risk. If you have issues with that take it up in the thread for new feedback or in the suggestions forum.




hulmey wrote:Since ur around wicked, can you explain how u can state a player is good but u cant state he is bad!!!!


It has also been made clear that Positive feedback isn't moderated to the same extent as Negatives. Most of the reasons where, IIRC, about it not being wanted by the users of the site.
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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby kletka on Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:47 am

Timminz wrote: It has been shown time, and time again that leaving negative feedback based on someone's strategy (or lack thereof) alone is not acceptable. If it gets challenged, it will be deleted.
[-X [-X [-X Dont make me laugh or cry. Where did you get this rubbish from?

I am totally with hulmley on this one. If a player makes really dumb moves that costs you a game and 60+ points, you are welcome to leave neg-s. I always do but if a player writes to me and I feel that s/he realized that I withdraw.

But freaking mods never look at the game: they just withdraw it for whatever reason is the first to click and you need to argue to have it reinstated. I think this why Lack starts this new system. See my olden thread:

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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby MeDeFe on Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:25 am

Thezzaruz wrote:
hulmey wrote:its just bullshit....what does feedback mean? thats what i was doing! the repoert from the mods said it wasnt factual. f*ck thAT, after knocking me out, the other player won in 2 turns!!!!

BS or not it is quite clear that the meaning of feedback ON THIS SITE is about telling other how a person behaves and NOT about his skills in risk. If you have issues with that take it up in the thread for new feedback or in the suggestions forum.

hulmey wrote:Since ur around wicked, can you explain how u can state a player is good but u cant state he is bad!!!!

It has also been made clear that Positive feedback isn't moderated to the same extent as Negatives. Most of the reasons where, IIRC, about it not being wanted by the users of the site.

There's a very good saying that everyone would do well to remember when partaking in posting on a forum on the internet. It goes like this:
"Read the motherfucking thread before you motherfucking post"

That way you can reply to what has already been posted and don't make yourself look like an idiot because what you're saying has already been said and argued against.
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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby Dancing Mustard on Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:33 am

Timminz wrote: It has been shown time, and time again that leaving negative feedback based on someone's strategy (or lack thereof) alone is not acceptable.

Oh, so that explains why Wicked has on multiple occassions urged people to leave feedback if they don't like people's strategy in FOW games where they use the chat to share info? Because last time I checked that was classified as strategy, and we're allowed to leave negs for it.
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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby detlef on Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:02 am

Gotta say, I care a whole lot more about whether I'm entering a game with a guy who's prone to stupid moves than one who's mean or misses a lot of turns.

That said, I can also understand why it's taboo. I mean, the rest is very measurable. Did they swear a bunch in game chat? Did they miss a bunch of turns? (oh and btw, this could be completely automated and not require feedback. CC could just keep track of how many games you've been kicked out of for missing turns and display that). None the less, I digress, MUST STAY ON TOPIC. Bad play is pretty subjective. Perhaps in this case the dude hung him out to dry and basically gave the game away. But where do you draw the line? I know where I've liked to draw it, and I usually do so with neutral feedback. Something like this:

Not bad enough for negative feedback but none the less. Renewed an alliance that he had earlier made with a player who, by the time they renewed had built a very substantial lead on the board. This ultimately sealed his and everyone else's fate. I've never understood the notion of basically "waiting to die" which is essentially what that you're doing if you agree not to attack someone with a decided lead on the board and basically help him eliminate everyone else. How does it feel to be someones errand boy?

Of course, there's game chat to support this but still, it's ultimately just mine and another players opinion of the situation. Mind you, it played out exactly as we said it would. The dominant player ran the board in short time.

I don't know, it is a sticky situation and one that will hopefully be fixed with the new system.

Gotta love wicked's tone though. Way to be calming influence. :lol:
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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby hulmey on Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:04 am

Dancing Mustard wrote:
Timminz wrote: It has been shown time, and time again that leaving negative feedback based on someone's strategy (or lack thereof) alone is not acceptable.

Oh, so that explains why Wicked has on multiple occassions urged people to leave feedback if they don't like people's strategy in FOW games where they use the chat to share info? Because last time I checked that was classified as strategy, and we're allowed to leave negs for it.


Good point DM...i bet the mod just pressed the delete button and didnt even check the game in question!! I wonder which mod it was, although i have an idea!!
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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby Dancing Mustard on Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:10 am

detlef wrote:Gotta love wicked's tone though. Way to be calming influence. :lol:
Yes, the whole issue has been handled marvelously! no high-handedness, no pomposity, no arrogance, just pure helpful and rationally explained calrifications of mod-policy. You only need to see such technique in action to understand why discussions here always stay calm, rational and constructive. What a shining example to lead by...


To all those who think I might just be being sarcastic: I don't know what you're talking about. That's just not my style.
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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby hulmey on Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:14 am

Dancing Mustard wrote:
detlef wrote:Gotta love wicked's tone though. Way to be calming influence. :lol:
Yes, the whole issue has been handled marvelously! no high-handedness, no pomposity, no arrogance, just pure helpful and rationally explained calrifications of mod-policy. You only need to see such technique in action to understand why discussions here always stay calm, rational and constructive. What a shining example to lead by...


To all those who think I might just be being sarcastic: I don't know what you're talking about. That's just not my style.


i think she handled it quite while, even when owenbigmouth came in with wide words of wisdom!! i think fruit job shoud have got a 3 day ban for failing to be witty.....

anyways lets stay on topic....
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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby White Moose on Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:15 am

OH MY GOD! Humley, what is the problem with you??

Does everyone has to play flawless to not get a negative from you?

It was among my first times on the map, so it isnt strange i dont do the best moves right from the start.

The only reason i see for you being such a baby about this, whining all over the place, is that you are a REALLY BAD LOSER. You had no chance at winning at all, so i don't even see whats worth whining about?

Oh, and another thing.

You said to me in a PM you expected more from a Major, as i am in writing moment. Ranks doesnt mean anything. If points would show how good you are, then i would be the 7th best player in Sweden. That i am quite sure of i ain't.
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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby hulmey on Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:32 am

White Moose wrote:OH MY GOD! Humley, what is the problem with you??

Does everyone has to play flawless to not get a negative from you?

It was among my first times on the map, so it isnt strange i dont do the best moves right from the start.

The only reason i see for you being such a baby about this, whining all over the place, is that you are a REALLY BAD LOSER. You had no chance at winning at all, so i don't even see whats worth whining about?

Oh, and another thing.

You said to me in a PM you expected more from a Major, as i am in writing moment. Ranks doesnt mean anything. If points would show how good you are, then i would be the 7th best player in Sweden. That i am quite sure of i ain't.


obviously you proved me right, coz ive seen cooks play better than!!! you started the whinning by going to the MODS, please remove my feedback , good sir....

The feedback is and was factual!!

Ps...ive played over 800 games and probably lost more than 400 games, so i can deal with losing!!! Dont call me a bad loser, to hide your bad play!
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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby White Moose on Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:35 am

From what you are saying, then 1 single move i make means that im a complete noob? lol, then everyone in CC is noobs. Becuase everyone has made a bad move more than once.

I did one bad move, so what? Live with it! MOVE ON!

Im going to quote myself here.

White Moose wrote:Does everyone has to play flawless to not get a negative from you?


Read it, answer it.
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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby hulmey on Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:43 am

White Moose wrote:From what you are saying, then 1 single move i make means that im a complete noob? lol, then everyone in CC is noobs. Becuase everyone has made a bad move more than once.

I did one bad move, so what? Live with it! MOVE ON!

Im going to quote myself here.

White Moose wrote:Does everyone has to play flawless to not get a negative from you?


Read it, answer it.


i'll put a question to you! can i write feedback to whom im please, when and how i please. your not my feedback monitoring system!! i choose to leave feedback HOW I SEE FIT....that why its feedback from ME
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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby White Moose on Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:45 am

hulmey wrote:
White Moose wrote:From what you are saying, then 1 single move i make means that im a complete noob? lol, then everyone in CC is noobs. Becuase everyone has made a bad move more than once.

I did one bad move, so what? Live with it! MOVE ON!

Im going to quote myself here.

White Moose wrote:Does everyone has to play flawless to not get a negative from you?


Read it, answer it.


i'll put a question to you! can i write feedback to whom im please, when and how i please. your not my feedback monitoring system!! i choose to leave feedback HOW I SEE FIT....that why its feedback from ME


I never said you couldnt leave feedback.

Just answer my question please..

Does everyone has to play flawless to not get a negative from you?
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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby hulmey on Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:55 am

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hulmey wrote:
White Moose wrote:From what you are saying, then 1 single move i make means that im a complete noob? lol, then everyone in CC is noobs. Becuase everyone has made a bad move more than once.

I did one bad move, so what? Live with it! MOVE ON!

Im going to quote myself here.

White Moose wrote:Does everyone has to play flawless to not get a negative from you?


Read it, answer it.


i'll put a question to you! can i write feedback to whom im please, when and how i please. your not my feedback monitoring system!! i choose to leave feedback HOW I SEE FIT....that why its feedback from ME


I never said you couldnt leave feedback.

Just answer my question please..

Does everyone has to play flawless to not get a negative from you?


you are going off topic
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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby White Moose on Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:58 am

hulmey wrote:
White Moose wrote:
hulmey wrote:
White Moose wrote:From what you are saying, then 1 single move i make means that im a complete noob? lol, then everyone in CC is noobs. Becuase everyone has made a bad move more than once.

I did one bad move, so what? Live with it! MOVE ON!

Im going to quote myself here.

White Moose wrote:Does everyone has to play flawless to not get a negative from you?


Read it, answer it.


i'll put a question to you! can i write feedback to whom im please, when and how i please. your not my feedback monitoring system!! i choose to leave feedback HOW I SEE FIT....that why its feedback from ME


I never said you couldnt leave feedback.

Just answer my question please..

Does everyone has to play flawless to not get a negative from you?


you are going off topic


BAM! You lost, i win. Good Bye
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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby hulmey on Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:00 am

White Moose wrote:Does everyone has to play flawless to not get a negative from you?


Read it, answer it.[/quote]

i'll put a question to you! can i write feedback to whom im please, when and how i please. your not my feedback monitoring system!! i choose to leave feedback HOW I SEE FIT....that why its feedback from ME[/quote]

I never said you couldnt leave feedback.

Just answer my question please..

Does everyone has to play flawless to not get a negative from you?[/quote]

you are going off topic[/quote]

BAM! You lost, i win. Good Bye[/quote]

yes i lost and at least you won this part of the game #-o
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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby White Moose on Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:02 am

hulmey wrote:yes i lost and at least you won this part of the game #-o


You didnt win the other part either.
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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby Thezzaruz on Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:22 am

Dancing Mustard wrote:Oh, so that explains why Wicked has on multiple occassions urged people to leave feedback if they don't like people's strategy in FOW games where they use the chat to share info? Because last time I checked that was classified as strategy, and we're allowed to leave negs for it.


We can argue all day about what exactly the word "strategy" means to us but in the end a comment in the chat (about FoW positions or such) isn't a part of that players gameplay in the same way as taking out a territ is but rather a behavior. And as Lack and the rest seems quite intent on having feedback on behavior and ranking on gameplay that's how it will be...
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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby BeakerWMA on Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:25 am

oggiss wrote:
owenshooter wrote:you are a whiner, negative feedback was not warranted in the situation... big deal, you don't like how they played. if "bad play" or "made a dumb move" were legit reasons for neg feedback, we would all have more negs than positives!!!-0



No we wouldn't. People aren't so keen about giving feedback at all >.<

Imo, he deserved a neg.


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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby Night Strike on Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:59 am

hulmey wrote:
owenshooter wrote:Plus, i have only left 6 negative feedbacks in 2 years of playing at CC. And i only have 2 players on my foe list........


So that means that you're better than everyone else and deserve to keep the feedback because you've only left 6 total?? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[quote='hulmey"]White moose choose to attack me and it was obvious the other player was gonna kill me off and take my cards and the game!!!! instead of attacking the stronger player who was getting a ten bonus he attacked me and firmly planted the game at sir.ricco's feet.


Looks to me like White Moose was trying to get positioned to take the USA components for the missile launch. If this was a 3 player game (like it appears to be), it seems like you were just the unlucky one to get stuck weakly in both countries. Therefore, perhaps you were the one with the bad play since you tried to attack the players in both countries rather than focusing on one. Also, it seems like White Moose COULDN'T attack Sir. Ricco because they were in separate countries.


Also, you're feedback was NOT factual because you said it was an escalating game when the log shows that it was a flat rate game.
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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby V.I. on Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:32 am

If you were going to leave any feedback at all, it should've been neutral.

Negative feedback is for deadbeats, cheaters, verbal abusers and other such assholish behavior, including using game chat during FOW. Neg feedback is not for players who go against any one particular incarnation of "proper game play."

I'd love to see poll results for this one, cause I believe with exception of Oggiss, who is himself the archtype whiny player (check any of his game chats for reference, he literally loses his mind if someone does something without his expressed written consent) Hulmey would discover that his viewpoints are quite extreme from the rank-and-file player.
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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby hulmey on Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:41 am

Night Strike wrote:
hulmey wrote:
owenshooter wrote:Plus, i have only left 6 negative feedbacks in 2 years of playing at CC. And i only have 2 players on my foe list........


So that means that you're better than everyone else and deserve to keep the feedback because you've only left 6 total?? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[quote='hulmey"]White moose choose to attack me and it was obvious the other player was gonna kill me off and take my cards and the game!!!! instead of attacking the stronger player who was getting a ten bonus he attacked me and firmly planted the game at sir.ricco's feet.


Looks to me like White Moose was trying to get positioned to take the USA components for the missile launch. If this was a 3 player game (like it appears to be), it seems like you were just the unlucky one to get stuck weakly in both countries. Therefore, perhaps you were the one with the bad play since you tried to attack the players in both countries rather than focusing on one. Also, it seems like White Moose COULDN'T attack Sir. Ricco because they were in separate countries.


Also, you're feedback was NOT factual because you said it was an escalating game when the log shows that it was a flat rate game.


read the log properly - i had 5 bonus armies just like moosey and the other player was getting 10...who would you attack?

Ps....escalatin or flat rate, by atatcking me mouse handed the game to sir.ricco. to take nothing away from the latter, who played very well....However, the sensable option would have been for us both to attack the stronger player...which I would have done....

ive seen mouse's kinda play before, but its usually done by cooks or privates
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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby Night Strike on Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:49 am

hulmey wrote:read the log properly - i had 5 bonus armies just like moosey and the other player was getting 10...who would you attack?

Ps....escalatin or flat rate, by atatcking me mouse handed the game to sir.ricco. to take nothing away from the latter, who played very well....However, the sensable option would have been for us both to attack the stronger player...which I would have done....

ive seen mouse's kinda play before, but its usually done by cooks or privates


Did you ever suggest it in chat? Believe it or not hulmey, people do have other strategies or methods of play than you do. And even if that's not the case, people make mistakes. Just a little while ago I was account sitting for someone and missed the opponent's last territory (last player left in an escalating). That just means I messed up by not seeing his other territory. White Moose currently has 4 times as many active games as you do, so I wouldn't be surprised it he just missed that you had those other territories.

Why don't you (and others with elitist attitudes) start cutting others some slack??
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Re: MODS ARE GOING MAD

Postby hulmey on Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:55 am

Night Strike wrote:
hulmey wrote:read the log properly - i had 5 bonus armies just like moosey and the other player was getting 10...who would you attack?

Ps....escalatin or flat rate, by atatcking me mouse handed the game to sir.ricco. to take nothing away from the latter, who played very well....However, the sensable option would have been for us both to attack the stronger player...which I would have done....

ive seen mouse's kinda play before, but its usually done by cooks or privates


Did you ever suggest it in chat? Believe it or not hulmey, people do have other strategies or methods of play than you do. And even if that's not the case, people make mistakes. Just a little while ago I was account sitting for someone and missed the opponent's last territory (last player left in an escalating). That just means I messed up by not seeing his other territory. White Moose currently has 4 times as many active games as you do, so I wouldn't be surprised it he just missed that you had those other territories.

Why don't you (and others with elitist attitudes) start cutting others some slack??


firstly even though me and mouse were always on the back foot in this game, i really enjoyed it becuase it was challenging!! i like a challenge and when well beaten and out fought im GLAD i lost....i just hate losing to silly mistakes by others.

Now isnt it my god given CC right to leave any kind of feedback i desire within the rules???
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Re: Hulmey is name calling, showing his level of intelligence

Postby owenshooter on Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:20 pm

hulmey wrote:i think she handled it quite while, even when owenbigmouth came in with wide words of wisdom!! i think fruit job shoud have got a 3 day ban for failing to be witty......

keep calling people names, and this thread will move to flame wars. remember the earlier warning in the thread, when i called you a WHINER? why don't you try to remain on topic? oh yeah, i forgot, everyone thinks you are out of your mind and left a negative for absolutely a bogus reason. dear lord, someone played differently than you wanted them to play!!! someone had a different idea of what they should do, than what you thought they should do! why don't you just start 3 more accounts, and only play against yourself, so each player does exactly what you want, and you never lose! that seems to be the only solution for you. and seriously, keep calling people names. why start a thread if you only want to hear from people that agree with you? grow up.-0
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