Logic dictates that there is a God!

[gordon1975]

Please demonstrate how life can come from something that has no life in it?

That would happen when a dude in white flowing gowns with wizened kindly features stirs a cauldron for six days and nights, and then on the seventh morning he shouts "let there be light!"

And then he goes to his kip and has a rest...

[gordon1975]

yup..I think phillip had one too. Supposedly. Does anyone know when these ones were written?

No, Radiocarbon dating is unreliable for documents of that age (under 5000 years), and they're mostly deteriorated through poor handling and time itself.

Really, if we analyze the type of 'paper' used and the chemical properties of the ink, we can come to some conjecture about when it was written, but that won't happen for a few dozen years.

That kind of stuff is delicate work, and it takes time.

Everyone knows that the Earth is 6000 years old... It stands to reason that when God set the radio active half life of Uranium we all just missed the punch line...

I mean come on, really, God was just fucking with us...

[gordon1975]

Yeah they do.

I've read some of it, pretty weak, the parts that make sense are paraphrased from the gospels in my opinion. Sermon on the mount sort of thing.

One of the things I most enjoyed when reading the whole two part epic, the sermon on the moral high ground was the story of the flood...

God, who is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, ergo has knowledge of all things past, present and future, created a race of men, starting with Adam and his errant paramour, in the full knowledge that they would disobey him, his offspring would go off the rails, and he would ultimately have to destroy all of them bar one family and start the whole thing again from a boat...

Why did he not just start with Noah and the wife and save himself a shitload of bother and self justification???

I know I would have...

[mightyal]

Yeah they do.

I've read some of it, pretty weak, the parts that make sense are paraphrased from the gospels in my opinion. Sermon on the mount sort of thing.

One of the things I most enjoyed when reading the whole two part epic, the sermon on the moral high ground was the story of the flood...

God, who is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, ergo has knowledge of all things past, present and future, created a race of men, starting with Adam and his errant paramour, in the full knowledge that they would disobey him, his offspring would go off the rails, and he would ultimately have to destroy all of them bar one family and start the whole thing again from a boat...

Why did he not just start with Noah and the wife and save himself a shitload of bother and self justification???

I know I would have...

He gave them free will to decide whether to do exactly WTF they are told or not. He used his omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent abilities to create a system that his omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent abilities couldn't control because he was bored out of his enormously ginormous eternal mind. SFOBV.

[mightyal]

First off put aside any bias that you may have...weather it be religious or anti-religious.

Now science has said, Life cannot come from non-life. Which is common sense... a rock will never reproduce since it is not living.

No, acctualy science had shown that it is possible to produce the "primemordial soup" (mass of very simple organizams) if chemical components (non-organic) are treated with eletricity. I think that is how the experiment went, but if there is somebody here who remembers science better then me (or who stayed awake while the teacher tlaked ) please feel free to correct me. Anyhow science has NEVER (at least since the Middle Ages) said: "Life cannot come from non-life".

Please demonstrate how life can come from something that has no life in it?

Please demonstrate how the randomly retarded gibberish you type has any basis in reality.

[gordon1975]

Yeah they do.
He gave them free will to decide whether to do exactly WTF they are told or not. He used his omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent abilities to create a system that his omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent abilities couldn't control because he was bored out of his enormously ginormous eternal mind. SFOBV.

That's absurd... How the F**K can an omniscient and omnipotent being create something beyond his control.... Does the word "oxymoron" mean anything to you, and failing that does the word "moron" mean anything to you?

[gordon1975]

WTF

I'm sure God would appreciate it, if his humble servant would avoid this type of gratuitous profanity in his posts... Profanity is a sin you know...

Jesus will remember that and he will kick your ass!

[Backglass]

Please demonstrate how life can come from something that has no life in it?

Why? "Life" has always been here. It is eternal and without end.

[Backglass]

Why did he not just start with Noah and the wife and save himself a shitload of bother and self justification?

Because without a good story, you cant brainwash the weak minded.

[gordon1975]

Why did he not just start with Noah and the wife and save himself a shitload of bother and self justification?

Because without a good story, you cant brainwash the weak minded.

Amen to that brother! all praise to biochemistry!

Let's be honest, if you were to be interviewed for a job, and the boss said that you would receive no pay now, no health and safety regulations and you may have to work in appalling conditions on a daily basis, but you would be rewarded with a cash settlement in 25 years, would you really feel like being a company arselicker?

[Paulicus]

One of my favorite quotes is "God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist" not sure who it was but it makes a point.

[vtmarik]

One of my favorite quotes is "God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist" not sure who it was but it makes a point.

Well, the real case is that the ones making the claim are required to prove their case (Hence the reason that Defense Attorneys have "reasonable doubt").

The correct form of that statement is "God has not been proven to exist, therefore..."

I think you can finish it for yourself.

[Paulicus]

And yes that is the problem.. atheists vs religion.. but the battle is not on such a grand scale where it is above us.. it's a matter of it being proven within ones self. I tried to disprove it, but manythings that were far beyond coincedance proved otherwise and I believe. I recently went to a guest speaker who is a devout christian.. but he used to be a very scientist and atheist. It was really very interresting how in trying to prove to himself that God did not exist he proved the opposite. But again it can only be to oneself.

[vtmarik]

And yes that is the problem.. atheists vs religion.. but the battle is not on such a grand scale where it is above us.. it's a matter of it being proven within ones self. I tried to disprove it, but manythings that were far beyond coincedance proved otherwise and I believe. I recently went to a guest speaker who is a devout christian.. but he used to be a very scientist and atheist. It was really very interresting how in trying to prove to himself that God did not exist he proved the opposite. But again it can only be to oneself.

Yeah, that is the ultimate barometer. And there are devout believers turned athiests as well.

Once again, you're right.

[Paulicus]

I think sometimes those devout who turn atheists somtime never had found God... just felowship and a group of people who acepted them, but over time it wasn't enough, others maybe just didn't get what they asked for in prayer, got mad and left.. who knows but they??

[mr. incrediball]

A couple of pages back, people were mentioning life coming from non-life, i was just thinking, is fire a living thing? I mean think about it, it follows all the rules of a living thing (MRS NERG is how my school puts it ) but when we asked a teacher about it, he said that fire couldn't reproduce if you put it in a desert with no fuel, but last time i checked a human couldn't reproduce in that situation either,

what i'm saying is, maybe fire has something to do with the creation of the universe, i mean think about it, the sun is made of fire, and we couldn't possibly survive without the sun, so... stars create life???

p.s Jay why are you always changing your avatar? what happened to the ole' dancin bear??? WE WANT THE DANCING BEAR BACK!!!

[Stopper]

Interesting question, that, about fire - if you google it, you'll find a lot of references...but it seems the main problem with excluding fire from the realm of the living, is that there is no agreed definition of "life".

But what I really wanted to do was to be pedantic, and say the Sun isn't made of fire - that's all plasma you're seeing, I think.

But considering that we depend on the Sun for life, and also that the very atoms of which we are composed were all created in stars (and scattered by supernovae), yeah you could definitely say stars create life...

EDIT: ...at any rate, stars certainly have more to do with it than divine creators...

[2dimes]

Yeah they do.

I've read some of it, pretty weak, the parts that make sense are paraphrased from the gospels in my opinion. Sermon on the mount sort of thing.

One of the things I most enjoyed when reading the whole two part epic, the sermon on the moral high ground was the story of the flood...

God, who is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, ergo has knowledge of all things past, present and future, created a race of men, starting with Adam and his errant paramour, in the full knowledge that they would disobey him, his offspring would go off the rails, and he would ultimately have to destroy all of them bar one family and start the whole thing again from a boat...

Why did he not just start with Noah and the wife and save himself a shitload of bother and self justification???

I know I would have...

He gave them free will to decide whether to do exactly WTF they are told or not. He used his omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent abilities to create a system that his omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent abilities couldn't control because he was bored out of his enormously ginormous eternal mind. SFOBV.

Umm, this was regarding the book of Morman here. The "Yeah they do." was a direct response to this statement.

What about the book of mormon.. couldnt mormons make the same contention that catholics left out a book as catholics do about jews?

But don't slow down now you're on a roll.

[mr. incrediball]

Interesting question, that, about fire - if you google it, you'll find a lot of references...but it seems the main problem with excluding fire from the realm of the living, is that there is no agreed definition of "life".

But what I really wanted to do was to be pedantic, and say the Sun isn't made of fire - that's all plasma you're seeing, I think.

But considering that we depend on the Sun for life, and also that the very atoms of which we are composed were all created in stars (and scattered by supernovae), yeah you could definitely say stars create life...

EDIT: ...at any rate, stars certainly have more to do with it than divine creators...

interesting... so... the stars are gods...

hey jay, you can keep your god that's so useless ppl aren't sure he exists, i'm worshipping the thing that's actually there and actually helping,

ALL HAIL THE SUN!

p.s, plasma? last time i checked stars were burning balls of hydrogen...

[jay_a2j]

ALL HAIL THE SUN!

Thats been done before.... no revelation there.

[mr. incrediball]

it's a revelation to me... please bring the dancing bear back jay

[Backglass]

I think sometimes those devout who turn atheists somtime never had found God... just felowship and a group of people who acepted them, but over time it wasn't enough, others maybe just didn't get what they asked for in prayer, got mad and left.. who knows but they??

Or, maybe they just came to their senses.

[Stopper]

p.s, plasma? last time i checked stars were burning balls of hydrogen...

Mostly hydrogen (but not burning)..."Plasma" is just another state, along with solid, liquid and gas...But don't ask me what the difference between plasma and gas is, it's a long time since I went to school...

mr. incrediball wrote:

ALL HAIL THE SUN!



Thats been done before.... no revelation there.

Yeah, jay's right there...maybe the ancient Egyptians had the right idea after all...

[mr. incrediball]

WOO! the dancing bear is back!!!

[vtmarik]

Mostly hydrogen (but not burning)..."Plasma" is just another state, along with solid, liquid and gas...But don't ask me what the difference between plasma and gas is, it's a long time since I went to school...

Plasma is formed when hydrogen undergoes nuclear fusion, which is what the sun (and all other stars) are: massive fusion reactors.