Known abusers of the system

[KLOBBER]

post here the proof of people abusing the system (leaving mass 5's or mass 1's)

http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?m ... T24&page=2
http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?m ... name=Hrvat

Dude, I've left mass 5's. That's not an abuse of the system, it just means that I'm happy with the members with whom I've played so far.

Jeez!

[PLAYER57832]

i wouldnt say leaving mass 5s is abusing, maybe hes just a really easy rater.

it is

Some people, myself included may leave all 5's because we have played these people many times and know they are excellent players with good attitudes, etc.

But the bottom line is there is no control, so people can do as they wish.

[detlef]

zimmah, let's let people get used to the system first, and realize all 5's aren't really the way to go. I wouldn't classify it as abuse yet, as people are still getting used to how to rate.

Well, not that I'm a fan of an abuse thread on ratings but, wicked, what you're saying makes absolutely no sense at all. Once the wheels are in motion, it's gonna roll and if people start handing out 5s, they're going to expect 5s. As nearly impossible as it is to get people out of that mindset right now, it's going to be even harder when they've gotten used to getting 5s for nothing. Of course, eventually, people will just stop doing it because they'll realize that everyone has the exact same score.

[bbqpenguin]

why oh why do you care?

[zimmah]

I think her argument is it dilutes the process and creates a unreasonable expectation to give and get 5's for just average games thereby creating issues with people who follow the system based on the star levels as they are defined and those that do not uses ithe stars as defined.

i am pretty much a newb at this system. can you please show me where this is defined by lack and not by zimmah? i think you are confusing HER RATING with an official rating. no, it is HER OPINION, not an official site rule. again, i'm a newb to this system, so please educate me. thanks.-0

yes if you move the arrow over the stars it tells you what each star level means now where it gets sticky like the old system is what someone considers average or above average, But again to answer your question lack built it into the system...

But where does it tell us what is "average" and what is "bad" and what is "excellent"? Last time I checked, it's all a matter of opinion.

i'm not a language expert but average means something like that it fits within your expectations based on the mayority of the community.

[zimmah]

why oh why do you care?

because i'd like to see a rating system that works. am i the only one?

[zimmah]

zimmah, let's let people get used to the system first, and realize all 5's aren't really the way to go. I wouldn't classify it as abuse yet, as people are still getting used to how to rate.

Well, not that I'm a fan of an abuse thread on ratings but, wicked, what you're saying makes absolutely no sense at all. Once the wheels are in motion, it's gonna roll and if people start handing out 5s, they're going to expect 5s. As nearly impossible as it is to get people out of that mindset right now, it's going to be even harder when they've gotten used to getting 5s for nothing. Of course, eventually, people will just stop doing it because they'll realize that everyone has the exact same score.

and that's exactly what i'm trying to do, since if the mods don't do it, who will?!

i'm not the one trying to break this system, i'm the one (of few) that's trying to get this to work.

[Incandenza]

Okay, seriously folks, this rating police thing has got to fucking stop. Right off the bat, you're not even effectively spreading your message, as somewhere in the vicinity of 90% of CCers aren't at all active in the forums. Also you're flipping out over perceived abuses to a system that's three fucking days old.

More to the point, I've been here a long fucking time, and played a lot of fucking games, and seen a lot of play both good and bad, and the next person to imply that skilled players don't know how to gauge a person's gameplay or that I personally am some sort of rating whore is going to get cockpunched. There really is a smug superiority being deployed here that is ludicrously unwarranted. If lack or a mod contacts someone and tells them that their rating system is wildly out of line with the guidelines, that's one thing. But arch commentary from other CCers? EABOD

Guess what? Just like feedback, it's a subjective system. Don't let the fact that prose has been replaced by numbers fool you. Everyone's going to have their own definition of average and excellent and what not. That definition may not perfectly match up with yours. Live with it.

Can we please have some perspective here?

[/rant]

And to a point made earlier: the only thing that could possibly approach the classic revamp shitstorm would be if lack started having banner ads on the site. The ratings thing by comparison is the proverbial tempest in a teapot.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

why am i not surprised johnny is listed?

as long as players dont give me shit, I have no problem with them or problem giving them a good rating.

[detlef]

why am i not surprised johnny is listed?

as long as players dont give me shit, I have no problem with them or problem giving them a good rating.

Are you sure that's all somebody has to do to stay out of your dog house?
Your ignore list and endless witch hunts beg to differ.

[Incandenza]

as long as players dont give me shit, I have no problem with them or problem giving them a good rating.

Sounds reasonable to me.

[DTT]

If I play a game with someone and they don't whine, don't bitch, play smart and make all their turns, I'll give them 5's. To me, that's a good player and I don't see any issue with or why it should be labeled as "abuse".

If one plays stupid or talks stupid I probably won't leave a rating at all. If one misses turns I'll leave a rating that reflects this.

I think the ratings are easier because I don't have to make sheet up to write anymore about the game. It's quick and painless.

And I agree to give the system some time to average out before donning a badge that doesn't pay.

[DTT]

One more thing in regards to all 5's. Since this is a new system, it is quite possible that people, like me, have gone through the recently finished tab and 5ed up players that they play lots of games with and enjoy playing games with. 3,4,5 what's the difference?

[zimmah]

as long as players dont give me shit, I have no problem with them or problem giving them a good rating.

Sounds reasonable to me.

but it is not. even the moderators say so.

[zimmah]

One more thing in regards to all 5's. Since this is a new system, it is quite possible that people, like me, have gone through the recently finished tab and 5ed up players that they play lots of games with and enjoy playing games with. 3,4,5 what's the difference?

actually the difference is everything between a normal player and a fucking brilliant one, however due to mass abuse, there is no way you can tell whether a player is good or bad. congratiolations.

[jako]

as long as players dont give me shit, I have no problem with them or problem giving them a good rating.

Sounds reasonable to me.

but it is not. even the moderators say so.

actually only 1 have agreed with ur way of thinking. shes not the boss though she likes to think so.

personally, i give out 5s because there was no abuse or bad sportsmanship. in a sports game, ur either sportsman-like or not, there is no ur half sportsman-like or shit.

[DTT]

One more thing in regards to all 5's. Since this is a new system, it is quite possible that people, like me, have gone through the recently finished tab and 5ed up players that they play lots of games with and enjoy playing games with. 3,4,5 what's the difference?

actually the difference is everything between a normal player and a fucking brilliant one, however due to mass abuse, there is no way you can tell whether a player is good or bad. congratiolations.

You couldn't tell before either. The only way to tell is to play a player yourself and make a judgment. One person considered brilliant by some is most likely an idiot to others.

[owenshooter]

78 out of 78 players that deserve a 5? i don't think so. either he's playing only with the very elite players (and i don't mean skills) or he is just hading out random 5's which is abusing the system.

where does it say you can't hand out 5's like they are candy or blow at lack's parties?-0

[bbqpenguin]

Okay, seriously folks, this rating police thing has got to fucking stop. Right off the bat, you're not even effectively spreading your message, as somewhere in the vicinity of 90% of CCers aren't at all active in the forums. Also you're flipping out over perceived abuses to a system that's three fucking days old.

More to the point, I've been here a long fucking time, and played a lot of fucking games, and seen a lot of play both good and bad, and the next person to imply that skilled players don't know how to gauge a person's gameplay or that I personally am some sort of rating whore is going to get cockpunched. There really is a smug superiority being deployed here that is ludicrously unwarranted. If lack or a mod contacts someone and tells them that their rating system is wildly out of line with the guidelines, that's one thing. But arch commentary from other CCers? EABOD

Guess what? Just like feedback, it's a subjective system. Don't let the fact that prose has been replaced by numbers fool you. Everyone's going to have their own definition of average and excellent and what not. That definition may not perfectly match up with yours. Live with it.

Can we please have some perspective here?

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And to a point made earlier: the only thing that could possibly approach the classic revamp shitstorm would be if lack started having banner ads on the site. The ratings thing by comparison is the proverbial tempest in a teapot.

[cre8tiff]

78 out of 78 players that deserve a 5? i don't think so. either he's playing only with the very elite players (and i don't mean skills) or he is just hading out random 5's which is abusing the system.

where does it say you can't hand out 5's like they are candy or blow at lack's parties?-0

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[owenshooter]

but it is not. even the moderators say so.

ONE MODERATOR, not MODERATORS, and that is as far as i am going with that. we have all seen countless times, moderators proven wrong in threads they deemed to know the exact answer/ruling in. most recently, the Babysitting thread and the infamous "unwritten rule". again, the blanket statements and made up facts you drop on a near continual basis are frustrating. you are stating opinions, not facts. and the
fact that ONE MOD in this thread has agreed with you, does not make what you are
spewing, correct. i will wait until lack, andy or twill weigh in with an opinion on this
matter, before i bow down to one member and one mod that agree on something the
rest of us, quite simply, do not. it is only COMMON SENSE to wait for someone
with real authority on this matter to weigh in. and my assumption is, it will happen
soon... *now if twill would just get out of the BpB forum long enough to check the GD we might hear something of merit... ahem...*
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[KLOBBER]

By the way, what's the logic in arbitrating that either "all 1's" or "all 5's" is abuse?

Why isn't "all 3's" considered abuse, in your arbitration? It shares all the same characteristics that both "all 5's" and "all 1's" share with each other.

Why not "all 2's?"

"All 4's?"

(Not to get too off-topic, but I sure would like to see the bitch in Zimmah's profile pic on "all 4's!" She is one sweet little bitch!)

Why not "no 5's" or "no 1's?"

Your personally opined standard for so-called abuse is completely arbitrary and nonsensical, and you have offered no valid reasoning as to why the site should adopt your personal opinion, which is unbacked by any discernible logic, to rule over the new system.

What exactly is wrong with giving all 5's? That is exactly what I have done, and I reject your opinion that you have any right or qualification whatsoever to decree that my choices to rate players with all 5's is "abusive." I had one bad experience with a player, but I simply declined to rate him at all (that'll teach 'im I says to meself!)

Give me as much as one single, solitary VALID reason not to rate anyone with all 5's, and I will accept it and never rate with all 5's again. Thus far, you have offered no valid reasons, just your personal rating preferences. Those preferences are fine for you; you are free to rate how you like, as I am free to rate as I like.

I mean, really, just who do you think you are to attempt to dictate to everyone on the site how they should or should not rate? You're not even a mod!

The fact is that everything you've posted in this thread boils down to your own personal opinion, not anything based on logic, science, or fact.

[Incandenza]

One more thing in regards to all 5's. Since this is a new system, it is quite possible that people, like me, have gone through the recently finished tab and 5ed up players that they play lots of games with and enjoy playing games with. 3,4,5 what's the difference?

actually the difference is everything between a normal player and a fucking brilliant one, however due to mass abuse, there is no way you can tell whether a player is good or bad. congratiolations.

The funny thing is that there are these little icons next to a players name that, in fact, do a halfway decent job of letting you know if the player is good or bad. They're called ranks. Perfect system? No, but not a bad one.

Ratings are for behavior. Ranks are for skill. Two flawed but generally useful systems. Boy, seems really simple, I don't understand why this really basic concept is so hard to grasp.

[KLOBBER]

Also, if the site admins were of the opinion that "all 5's" or "all 1's" were abuse, then they would have programmed the system to make either one impossible to perform.

They have not done so, and so "all 5's" and "all 1's" are definitely permissible, and definitely not abusive.

[owenshooter]

The funny thing is that there are these little icons next to a players name that, in fact, do a halfway decent job of letting you know if the player is good or bad. They're called ranks. Perfect system? No, but not a bad one.

Ratings are for behavior. Ranks are for skill. Two flawed but generally useful systems. Boy, seems really simple, I don't understand why this really basic concept is so hard to grasp.

sigh... why, oh why are you trying to use logic and a sound argument to sway others? you should know this does not work!! who cares if you are 100% correct, they will just keep posting and your post will vanish onto an old page.. sigh...-0