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Do you think playing in order to gain revenge on another player is a decent gaming style?

 
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Re: Vendetta Strategy

Postby detlef on Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:37 pm

gdeangel wrote:Well here's any honest dilemma I've come up against in a game: suppose a player doesn't respond to something in the chat, like you tell them to move out of the way so you can get to the leader and focus attack, and you are both hanging on by a thread ATM, you just have a more concentrated attack force and slightly better deployment. Instead of getting out of the way, the other guy (who has no chance of surviving a head no directed attack by the leader) deploys more troops on the spot you asked him to move off of (which has not strategic value to him either). Now you know that in a couple of turns you both will be dead, and normally you wouldn't waste troops attacking this guy, or even to get through to the leader, cause you'll probably not have enough left when you get out the other end. If you go through him anyway - maybe just eliminate him entirely cause he's pissing away the game (he's down to 2 adjacent territories, and to go through the trouble of getting through where you plan the offensive means leaving him with 3 guys) - would you call that an "a-hole vendetta"?

I would call that a mercy kill/suicide. But you can be almost certain that somebody stupid enough to do what you're talking about (that is not get out of the way and actually deploy there instead) would fail to understand that he cost both of you the game and call you out for your actions.
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Re: Vendetta Strategy

Postby Rahm Es Hestos on Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:11 pm

I'm still confused as to why people said what I did was stupid. Are you people telling me that I should back off a continent I more or less control because some other player comes in with less armies and tells me to? Am I being instructed that I should leave a territory I fought for and give it to someone else because if I don't that other player is going to suicide against me the rest of the game? No offense people, but what I understand from some of these posts is that you guys have very little concept of this game. I refuse and will always refuse to hand over a continent and move elsewhere because it is in some other person's best interest that I do so. Renewit was not saying that we should coordinate against the strongest player. Renewit was NOT saying he would move his men out of SA. Renewit WAS saying that I should leave SA and go for Africa, letting him have an easily defended bonus while I sat there trying to irk a living on a harder to control continent. Why do you ask, did I kill his men in SA in a standoffish manner?...the simple truth is he insulted me. Tell me people, if you are at an arcade and you pay to play a video game and some kid half your size comes up and tells you to leave and play another game so he can have fun instead, are you going to listen to him and scuttle away? f*ck NO. You are going to laugh in their face. Does that mean it is right for that kid to come and kick your shin every other game you play? f*ck NO. You would consider them a physco. I DID NOT senselessly kill Renewit's armies. He was telling me to leave a continent I had been going for since the start of the game so he could take it instead....the turn right before I would have taken it. There was no strategy behind what he did, no purpose. Everyone of you who is trying to justify his actions with calls of some strategy on his part are simply wrong. He decided to attack me for the rest of the game dooming us both because he didn't get his way. Did he still have a chance when I kicked him out of SA? YES. He had a big chance. Infact, the turn he ended up ensuring my demise he already controlled a large portion of the middle of the board. HE even had a 10 man set he cashed in. Instead of taking a bonus and trying to win, he decides to ram that set against me for no other reason then because it placated his wounded pride. Risk is a game of strategy people, a game of thinking. When you cease to play using strategy, cease playing to win, you have defeated the entire purpose of playing. Unless, of course, beating up on people you don't even know over the internet makes you feel better about yourself. If that's the case, God help you...God help us all.
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Re: Vendetta Strategy

Postby owenshooter on Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:19 pm

i'm not telling you how to play. if anyone ever tells me what to do in a game, it falls on deaf ears. i play my own games when i play standard games... when i want to be on a team, i play team games.-0
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Re: Vendetta Strategy

Postby RashidJelzin on Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:36 pm

To the question in the poll: HELL YES!

I would've done the very same Green did-- only difference would've been that I wouln't have wasted so much energy typing "im going to kill you" 20 times. It's not the fact that you killed a stack of his-- it's the attitude of yours. He said he was voluntarily moving out for you-- yet, you complete ignored it (in a rather impolite way) and killed him off.
Someone pulls a dumb move on me, and is running his mouth about it-- I don't let them see the end of the game. It's the way people use the chat after they f*ck up other people's game that gets me aggrevated. Well, used to rather, since I left that crap behind. Heehee.
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Re: Vendetta Strategy

Postby detlef on Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:43 pm

Rahm Es Hestos wrote:I'm still confused as to why people said what I did was stupid. Are you people telling me that I should back off a continent I more or less control because some other player comes in with less armies and tells me to? Am I being instructed that I should leave a territory I fought for and give it to someone else because if I don't that other player is going to suicide against me the rest of the game? No offense people, but what I understand from some of these posts is that you guys have very little concept of this game. I refuse and will always refuse to hand over a continent and move elsewhere because it is in some other person's best interest that I do so. Renewit was not saying that we should coordinate against the strongest player. Renewit was NOT saying he would move his men out of SA. Renewit WAS saying that I should leave SA and go for Africa, letting him have an easily defended bonus while I sat there trying to irk a living on a harder to control continent. Why do you ask, did I kill his men in SA in a standoffish manner?...the simple truth is he insulted me. Tell me people, if you are at an arcade and you pay to play a video game and some kid half your size comes up and tells you to leave and play another game so he can have fun instead, are you going to listen to him and scuttle away? f*ck NO. You are going to laugh in their face. Does that mean it is right for that kid to come and kick your shin every other game you play? f*ck NO. You would consider them a physco. I DID NOT senselessly kill Renewit's armies. He was telling me to leave a continent I had been going for since the start of the game so he could take it instead....the turn right before I would have taken it. There was no strategy behind what he did, no purpose. Everyone of you who is trying to justify his actions with calls of some strategy on his part are simply wrong. He decided to attack me for the rest of the game dooming us both because he didn't get his way. Did he still have a chance when I kicked him out of SA? YES. He had a big chance. Infact, the turn he ended up ensuring my demise he already controlled a large portion of the middle of the board. HE even had a 10 man set he cashed in. Instead of taking a bonus and trying to win, he decides to ram that set against me for no other reason then because it placated his wounded pride. Risk is a game of strategy people, a game of thinking. When you cease to play using strategy, cease playing to win, you have defeated the entire purpose of playing. Unless, of course, beating up on people you don't even know over the internet makes you feel better about yourself. If that's the case, God help you...God help us all.

Well, for starters, I'll give you this, at first read, I was under the impression that something else was going on. To a degree, I will soften my stance on how stupid a move your was. That said, there were at minimum 7 guys in Venez plus two of blues countries, one of which had at least 3 guys on it. So, at very minimum, you're talking about taking at least 10 guys and 3 countries out of a bonus area that pays 2 armies per turn in a four player game. If that's your idea of good tactics, then kindly refrain from telling me I don't know what I'm doing. That doesn't even take into account the "in your face" manner in which you made an enemy of one of your opponents by turn 2. I've never found that telling a guy to go screw himself right out the gate coupled with likely spending enough armies to take a bonus that I'm 5 turns away from getting them back assuming everyone leaves me alone to be all that wise.

That's your idea of a continent you basically had control over? Because you had 3 in Peru and a bunch in N Africa and there were, at minimum 10 enemy armies in the other 3 countries?

Now, once again, I also did say that I don't think this would be enough to make me go tilt. However, there's one thing very certain, if I was playing in a game with a guy who did this, I would be very certain that I was playing in a game with a guy who's got little clue of how to win this game. So, like I said, pat yourself on the back, assure yourself that you're all good and he's a psycho and we're a bunch of idiots. I could give a crap. Just trying to help. You came here looking for assurance and I'm just suggesting that you look at how you could avoid these situations.
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Re: Vendetta Strategy

Postby RashidJelzin on Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:44 pm

Oh yeah-- that was pretty good, too:
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Re: Vendetta Strategy

Postby Rahm Es Hestos on Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:00 pm

To defend myself detlef, I took the country with 6 guys defending each of the entrances. So obviously what I did had strategic value. With the results, it's kinda silly for you to talk down to me and laugh at my game play when it worked. I got screwed because blue kept ramming himself into me killing us both. Plus he never offered to leave.
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Re: Vendetta Strategy

Postby detlef on Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:06 pm

Rahm Es Hestos wrote:To defend myself detlef, I took the country with 6 guys defending each of the entrances. So obviously what I did had strategic value. With the results, it's kinda silly for you to talk down to me and laugh at my game play when it worked. I got screwed because blue kept ramming himself into me killing us both. Plus he never offered to leave.

Funny, I'm having a hard time seeing how it worked out all that well for you considering you lost the game. None the less, I'm glad you're happy with the results. Keep up the good work.
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Re: Vendetta Strategy

Postby Rahm Es Hestos on Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:09 pm

Heh, aren't we witty. Taking SA had strategic value. I'm not God my friend, I couldn't predict that by not letting Renewit have his way, he would kill us both. His actions are kinda the reason for this thread if you haven't been able to tell. But a smart guy like you, I bet you have more important things to check into and not bother yourself with a lowly man such as myself.
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Re: Vendetta Strategy

Postby FabledIntegral on Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:59 pm

I think it's apparent most people that have posted in this thread disagree with your logic. If you wiped out a stack of mine I definitely would have suicided myself into you.
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Re: Vendetta Strategy

Postby detlef on Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:39 am

Rahm Es Hestos wrote:Heh, aren't we witty. Taking SA had strategic value. I'm not God my friend, I couldn't predict that by not letting Renewit have his way, he would kill us both. His actions are kinda the reason for this thread if you haven't been able to tell. But a smart guy like you, I bet you have more important things to check into and not bother yourself with a lowly man such as myself.

You really don't get it, do you. See, it doesn't take "god-like" vision to see that how you played that (as well as how you compounded the situation in game chat) might not work out so well for you. I've had decent success in single player, flat rate games and the first step to winning, I've found is to be among the last few standing. I understand that seems rather obvious but you wouldn't guess that's the case based on how so many play. Well, I don't think the way to make it very far is to start swinging my dick around on turn two. Seriously, this is something you might want to think about in the future. Well, either that and continue to think that everyone but you is missing something but, well... actually I'm not going to go there.

We can agree to disagree on the strategic value of embarking on what odds dictate should be a very costly battle to secure a 2 pt. continent. But I'm absolutely amazed at you are incapable of seeing the big picture here.
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Re: Vendetta Strategy

Postby Soloman on Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:45 am

detlef wrote:
Rahm Es Hestos wrote:Heh, aren't we witty. Taking SA had strategic value. I'm not God my friend, I couldn't predict that by not letting Renewit have his way, he would kill us both. His actions are kinda the reason for this thread if you haven't been able to tell. But a smart guy like you, I bet you have more important things to check into and not bother yourself with a lowly man such as myself.

You really don't get it, do you. See, it doesn't take "god-like" vision to see that how you played that (as well as how you compounded the situation in game chat) might not work out so well for you. I've had decent success in single player, flat rate games and the first step to winning, I've found is to be among the last few standing. I understand that seems rather obvious but you wouldn't guess that's the case based on how so many play. Well, I don't think the way to make it very far is to start swinging my dick around on turn two. Seriously, this is something you might want to think about in the future. Well, either that and continue to think that everyone but you is missing something but, well... actually I'm not going to go there.

We can agree to disagree on the strategic value of embarking on what odds dictate should be a very costly battle to secure a 2 pt. continent. But I'm absolutely amazed at you are incapable of seeing the big picture here.
Looking at the game and reading the posts the lack of vision does not amaze me. There needs to be some type of boot camp for noobs or really low ranked people so they can learn basic strategy and etiquette so that they will not only win more, whine less, but also cause less senseless havoc and create a more enjoyable atmosphere. Doubt it would happen and if it does it would never be mandated but one can dream...
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Re: Vendetta Strategy

Postby gannable on Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:21 am

this is the one kind of thing I find intolerable.

The only people i've put on ignore have done this. I just put a person on ignore for doing this to me.

The game came down to three of us and he suicided me a couple times while ignoring the fact that the 3rd player had a huge amount of armies ready to wipe us both out.
His reasoning was that I attacked him a couple rounds earlier and broke him so he wasnt going to let me win.

Anyone who plays like this has the mentally of a 5 yr old.
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Re: Vindictive Tragegy

Postby oVo on Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:18 pm

It should never come as a surprise when you step on someone's toes in a game that they make an effort to return the favor and as such is never worth the effort to bitch about. You screwed him and he reciprocated by screwing you back. An eye for an eye... Oh the horror. This is pretty much the way of the CC wurled and though I may occassionally have similar intentions as your assailant, I'm always trying to find a way to stay in the game... and still give you swift kick in the nuts.

I'm more intregued by people with whom I have several simultaneous games and allow the circumstances of one to alter their actions in all the games we share. Disregarding the game to initiate that type of vindictive aggression is rarely a successful strategy for seeking revenge or trying to win the game.
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Re: Vendetta Strategy

Postby kletka on Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:55 am

Vendetta is not a strategy but a useless act of mindless rage. Tough talk, threads of vendetta are often useful but not vendetta itself. If I know I have lost a game, my first thought is whether I can minimise lost points. Subject to absence of significant difference in point loss, I do consider settling an old score.

Here is a situation (I have been there several times) when anti-vendetta is the only way forward: 3 player freestyle speed AORM with each player having 2 pairs. Each player deploys around 60+. Player 1 moves against player 2 with at least 2 minutes left. What should player 2 do?

Any counter-attack handles the game to Player 3, so the solution is to attack Player 3, hoping that player 3 attacks player 1. :lol:
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Re: Vendetta Strategy

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:40 am

if i want a revenge i try to defeat my opponent! not try to lose more points doing a worst game!
revenge don't pay !
add this player in foe list if you can do other!
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